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Obama and Veep Pick to Appear in IL.. Saturday

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:43:05 PM EST
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Sen. Barack Obama and his vice presidential running mate will attend a rally in Springfield, IL on Saturday. That's where Obama announced his candidacy.

More and more pundits are predicting Joe Biden. I think Obama would be smarter to pick Biden for Secretary of State than Vice President. Biden is the antithesis of change in Washington. He's been there since Nixon was President. Talk about getting sold a bill of goods.

Just what we don't need, a vice-president whose politics on crime are mired in the failed policies of the '80's.

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    It's so nice to read "the failed policies of (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Teresa on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:48:33 PM EST
    the 80's" instead of the "partisan bickering of the 90's".

    Biden is the Dick Cheney pick. Cheney (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by tigercourse on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:48:34 PM EST
    was chosen in part to quiet fears that Bush was too stupid to be President. Biden would theoretically counter the idea that Obama is too inexperienced. "Don't worry guys, we know our nominee isn't up to it. The VP will run the country". It worked once. Maybe it would again.

    Why (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by tek on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:20:06 PM EST
    would anyone be comforted with Joe Biden?

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    No, the Cheney analog (3.00 / 2) (#8)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:55:53 PM EST
    would have been HRC - appealing to a large portion of the party's base, thoroughly integrated into the DC power structure, a lot of loyalists throughout the power structure (or ready to jump in at a moment's notice), deemed to be ruthless, and so wholly anathema to the opposition party that not only does (s)he approach anti-Christ status in their eyes, but (s)he can be seen as a good life/impeachment insurance policy for the Presidential nominee.

    Biden is the "best old party regular we could find who isn't HRC and who won't dim Obama's halo too much".  But, he's a lousy insurance policy.

    He's not quite LBJ to JFK, but close enough.

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    He doesn't have the state of Texas in his (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by mogal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:02:36 PM EST
    pocket.

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    ugh (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:13:31 PM EST
    leave Texas out of this.  This is an Illinois/Delaware disaster in the making.  I still like to bask in the memories of Ann Richards and Barbara Jordan thankuverymuch.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:22:35 PM EST
    but you guys still have to deal with the fact that you gave us Bush. I know not you personally but your state.

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    trust me (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:28:56 PM EST
    when i tell you, that hopefully HOPEFULLY Bush43, who, is actually from CONNECTICUT, will put an end to all prospects of another Texas president.

    Unless of course through some miracle Austin's mentality takes over the whole state.

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    Me too, Richardson and Jordan are two of my (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by mogal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:28:35 PM EST
    favorites BUT LBJ did win Texas and all those EV's  for JFK. How many EV does Del have?

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    -2 (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:30:28 PM EST
    they're so small they're negative (j/k)

    Mighty Delaware, a very safe blue state, will bring THREE whole delegates to the hootenanny!

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    So then it's close? (none / 0) (#54)
    by mogal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:41:20 PM EST
    He's not quite LBJ to JFK, but close enough.


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    Couldn't be more wrong (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by joanneleon on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:13:51 PM EST
    Clinton is the LBJ to Obama's JFK.

    Biden got how many votes in the primary?  He promises to bring what votes in the general?  The LBJ choice was all about the votes (state) he could bring.  Kennedy had to be convinced to choose LBJ.  He didn't want to.  The analogy between JFK/LBJ and Obama/Clinton couldn't be clearer.

    Cheney?  Was Cheney a primary candidate?  Did half the voters in the primary vote for him?  No, Cheney chose himself.

    There are so many other things wrong with your analogy, but I'll leave it at that.

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    Oh, and you forgot something - (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:59:45 PM EST
    Cheney wasn't picked because in part to quiet fears that Bush was too stupid to be President.  Cheney was picked because he was put in charge of the VP selection committee, got all the prospective VP hopefuls to participate in vetting by giving him dossiers on themselves with all their issues - answers to "did you have an illegal alien housekeeper?" and such - and then he promptly decided he would be the best pick.

    Of course, he never returned the dossiers, either.

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    Heh (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by BDB on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:01:16 PM EST
    And we wonder why so many GOPpers march lock-step with Bush?  What was in those dossiers anyway?

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    Seriously? (none / 0) (#75)
    by sj on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:09:20 PM EST
    Is this true?

    Of course, he never returned the dossiers, either.

    I mean I would believe it, it certainly seems in character but was this reported at the time?  And is this not in keeping with standard procedure or tradition?

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    I had someone tell me (none / 0) (#89)
    by echinopsia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:28:45 PM EST
    in all seriousness, that Cheney was chosen so no one would assassinate Bush.

    I've heard crazier theories.

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    Biden's OK by me (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by Ennis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:48:48 PM EST
    At least, he's as good as any of the others.  

    One thing he can do best is be the attack dog against McCain and argue for changing direction in foreign policy.

    Also, he's better known, having been on TV talkshows almost as much as McCain.

    Catholic, working class background helps too.

    Ai, Ai, Ai, just hit send already...... (5.00 / 7) (#4)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:53:38 PM EST
    ....I just want to know for a fact and beyond a shadow of a doubt that its not Hillary or Clark. Then I can go back to my normal, cynical self again.

    Estas Loca! (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:21:47 PM EST
    I LOVE that comment.  "Just hit send already!"

    Perfect 'soundbite' for the Obama/Biden ticket.

    Obama
    Biden
    America's
    Moment
    Awaits

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    can you define (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by TimNCGuy on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:55:28 PM EST
    "Deal Breaker" for you if it is Biden?

    deal breaker: noun (none / 0) (#51)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:34:12 PM EST
    ain't gonna happen
    no vote no way no how
    i can't even CLAP for this ticket...

    Dictionary.com:

    any issue or factor that is significant enough to terminate a negotiation, esp. in business or politics


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    superstition? (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Andy08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:55:32 PM EST
    Sen. Barack Obama and his vice presidential running mate will attend a rally in Springfield, IL on Saturday. That's where Obama announced his candidacy.

    Doing such rally w/VP in one of those "toss up" states and relating to the people there would be much better...

    He's flying too high

    That's what I was thinking (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:58:35 PM EST
    Springfield?! How about Ohio! Florida! PA!

    Instead we get another adoring fan event. Gag.

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    Yup! (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by tek on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:22:16 PM EST
    Just like Dubya.  Keep those invitation only audiences coming.

    Seriously, all this stuff that smacks of Dubya is what convinces me Obama is the corporate candidate and the fix may be in.  IMO.

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    McCain's VP announcement (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:23:21 PM EST
    will be in Ohio.  How quaint.  How predictable.  

    How smart.


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    It's Always Been About STAGECRAFT (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by JimWash08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:08:01 PM EST
    with the Obama campaign.

    Everything needs to be

    1. symbolic (the lamest being Unity, NH and the psuedo-Presidential Seal)
    2. on a large scale (The Berlin speech, the Nomination speech); and
    3. with lots of photo opportunities (all of the above)

    It all has to be a big ra-ra, show-and-tell operation with him. High on scenery and stagecraft, low on substance and specifics. That's the essence of Obama and his campaign.

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    Remind you (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by tek on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:18:57 PM EST
    of anyone?  Mission Accomplished? Anyone?

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    That's because the constituency that..... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:22:59 PM EST
    ...he will never, ever through under the bus is the media. That's why he's their darling. And remember. Most of them are shilling for Biden.

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    That's bad? (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ennis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:46:23 PM EST
    Really, now.  Are you just taking the opportunity for some gratuitous bashing?

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    I think it makes sense (none / 0) (#76)
    by joanneleon on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:12:34 PM EST
    There will be plenty of time to appear in the other states.  I think the choice of VP is more critical than the place they do their first appearance.

    And if it's Biden, I mean, what states besides DE and IL and perhaps DC are going to be happy about that choice?

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    You Can Cut the Ennui With a Knife (5.00 / 8) (#9)
    by BDB on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:57:54 PM EST


    Also, the Democrats need to stop looking to (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by tigercourse on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:57:56 PM EST
    a VP to save Obama. Edwards didn't save Kerry, Lieberman was like throwing a drowning man a block of concrete, Bensen couldn't pull Dukakis over the finish line.

    Obama needs to drag himself out of the quicksand.

    Like So Many Democrats (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by BDB on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:00:14 PM EST
    Edwards was much harsher in going after Hillary this year than in attacking Dick Cheney in 2004.  I liked Edwards in 2004, particularly his Two Americas theme, but was very disappointed in his debate performance against Cheney.  

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    I can't believe Biden over Hillary. Is this (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by mogal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:59:16 PM EST
    change?

    Simple answers to simple questions (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by lambert on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:57:01 PM EST
    No.

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    but where's the nuance? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by DJ on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:01:26 PM EST


    Parent
    That was yesterday. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:14:01 PM EST


    Parent
    Oh. My bad. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by DJ on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:38:54 PM EST


    Parent
    Now this is a (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Andy08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:00:25 PM EST
    surprising article about Biden....

    Juggler Moms Appreciate Joe Biden

    It starts with :

    And you thought he was just good at foreign policy. . .

    Working Mother Magazine -- the journal of record for what Obama senior policy adviser Karen Kornbluh called "the juggler family" and a place to learn about "the mommy tax" -- has honored Joe Biden with its "Best of Congress Award."

    (full text at link.)

    That list has (none / 0) (#55)
    by Valhalla on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:42:31 PM EST
    Biden and Casey, but no Clinton?  Or Obama.

    Oh wait, the awards were given by a vote off mag staffers of the only-50 legislators who applied.

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    I could fairly choke on the hypocrisy (5.00 / 7) (#17)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:00:58 PM EST
    if I hadn't already during this campaign.

    Hillary was too much of a Washington insider, but Biden is OK.

    Hillary voted AUMF making her unacceptable, but Biden is OK.

    Hillary was not progressive enough for the netroots, but Biden is OK.

    It would be nice if they would all just admit their hypocrisy.

    Oh, and another thing - another manly man to join the competitors, how refreshing.

    Nothing to do with this campaign (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Jake Left on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:58:04 PM EST
    or this race has anything to do with being honest. The appeals of both candidates are counting on such base emotions that voters dare not look at facts or reason and most certainly must avoid wondering why they really support whom they support.

    I never blame the candidates as much as I blame the voters who tout them as wonderful.

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    Biden (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ennis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:47:36 PM EST
    is not married to a loose cannon.

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    No (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by janarchy on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:56:04 PM EST
    Biden is the loose cannon!

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    HA! (none / 0) (#78)
    by flashman on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:16:10 PM EST
    Took the words right out of my mouth.  Do the phrases "uncontrollable verbiage" and "gaffe machine" ring a bell?  BTW, Jeralyn's comments about Biden's policy being out of the 80s seems appropriate, since Obama himslef said he wated to be like Reagan.

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    Biden (none / 0) (#83)
    by janarchy on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:20:07 PM EST
    is just...Joe Biden. He's a good senator, he has some good ideas about foreign policy and the military, but he is not and never will be Presidential/VP material. Some of us have never forgiven him for the Anita Hill debacle for a start. He single-handedly invented foot-in-mouth disease!

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    Biden can be trained (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ennis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:45:07 PM EST
    to stay on message - and not have his spouse crashing around like a 900 pound political gorilla.  

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    Riiiiiight (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:15:46 PM EST
    That must be it.

    Even though the wife of the loose cannon remains wildly popular to the, you know, voters, as done the loose cannon himself.

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    Nobody likes Bill (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ennis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:50:20 PM EST
    more than me.  However, it's perfectly understandable why Obama would not want two 900-pound, political gorillas crashing around in his administration.

    Maybe he'll change his mind, but it's his decision to make - and certainly not that of a bunch of people that don't even like Obama.

    Hillary lost, and she supports Obama.  So does Bill.  Some people are just going to have to come to grips with that.

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    Are you saying that Obama is a (none / 0) (#90)
    by MarkL on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 01:11:39 AM EST
    lightweight?

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    I'm saying (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ennis on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 03:33:15 AM EST
    Bill and Hillary could not contain themselves to being VP and spouse.

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    So, if it's Obama and Biden, (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:01:46 PM EST
    which one of them is "Hope" and which one is "Change?"

    More important, should Obama win, is Biden a one-term VP?  When the 2012 contest ramps up in 2010, is Biden already a lame duck?

    Really, if Obama is looking to change the way Washington works, and sees Biden as furthering that goal, he must be standing on his head.

    The new slogan is (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by Jake Left on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:59:47 PM EST
     "I HOPE they CHANGE"

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    Obama is Hope and Change (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ennis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:49:37 PM EST
    Biden is "Trust me, McCain is an idiot.  So hope and change, or I'll bite your ankle."

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    Biden would look silly in a pantsuit. (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:10:49 PM EST
    So sorry, but I'll have to think this through.  After I reread the transcripts from the Anita Hill hearings from hell to refresh my memory.

    It's too bad.  I like listening to him; he's a hoot.  But he just brings up too much past that's problematic.  And I don't even have (but I trust) Jeralyn's reasons from a criminal law perspective.

    At this point (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CST on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:13:20 PM EST
    I am really hoping he names Sebellius.  She seems like the "least bad" of all the front-runners for VP.  I mean, at least she's progressive even if she's "boring".

    Springfield (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by cmugirl on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:16:06 PM EST
    Now he wants to be compared to Lincoln.  Can't get any more old-school than that.

    Remember when Biden (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by salmonrising on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:19:35 PM EST
    made that comment in praise of Obama long long ago in a galaxy far far away? The one where he used a list of adjectives to describe Obama...if memory serves "clean" and "well spoken" were in the mix? Remember all the uproar and outrage over these remarks...since clearly they were "racist"?
    Compare Biden's words to anything Bill or Hillary said. The hypocrisy is so thick I can barely wade through it.

    Oh, and BTW, Obama now has flip flopped on sending us to the moon or better yet Mars. Miami Herald has the story....um, Miami as in the great state of FLORIDA.

    Not cutting NASA funds? (none / 0) (#52)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:34:21 PM EST
    He was before. Changed his mind? Good on this one. Biden should be Sec of State because of his foreign policy experience. In all fairness on that clean comment, when I first heard it I thought he meant he wasn't carrying years of baggage on him like most people were. Ha, fooled Biden.

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    I've Gotten Cross-eyed (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by flashman on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:20:30 PM EST
    from rolling my eyes at all the absurd charges of racism.  Nobody can say anything anymore.  Any politician or political figure with skin so thin needs to find another line of work.  Good grief!  

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    I'm sorry (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:21:23 PM EST
    guys but I just have to laugh at this. Previously it was that "we can't have a washington insider because it upsets Obama's message of change". ROTFLMAO!

    The nineties were terrible but the eighties were great apparently!

    Heh (none / 0) (#41)
    by cawaltz on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:23:05 PM EST
    Wasn't that Reagan guy we all find so admnirable around in the eighties? /snark

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    I don't think it's Biden at all (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:26:56 PM EST
    I still think it will be Kaine.  Look at all the work they have put into turning Virginia Democratic.  Historically, I do NOT see VA voting/going for Obama in the general.  But the Obama campaign have boxed themselves in with the spectre that VA will be blue.

    Biden could be just to throw everyone off.  Obama is all about media attention and glare.  He's going for a quarterback sneak.

    He'll announce his veep in November (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by catfish on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:28:29 PM EST
    For the last three days it's actually made headlines that "Obama May Choose V.P. This Week."

    Humorous descriptions of Biden (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:59:41 PM EST
    Biden Problem:  Foot in Mouth

    ["The man has no speed bumps between his brain and his mouth," David Brooks noted in the New York Times.] Milbank  If interested in reading about Biden's mouth, check out section: Falling Status: The Blowhard

    if Kerry picked Biden: [journalists joked that Foggy Bottom would no longer need to schedule daily briefings: Biden's daily briefing would merely end when the next day's briefing was ready to begin.]

    My favorite:  Joe Biden is to politics what Keith Olbermann is to media.

    Biden will add media attention.  I am predicting Biden will be hysterical.

    Easy for the Repubs too.... both talk in abundance and say little.

    John Kerry is another possability (none / 0) (#5)
    by Exeter on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:54:39 PM EST
    That is being floated around. It would fit with the theory that it is a national security person. Plus it is one seemingly guaranteed way of securing the Kerry voters in 2004.  I think it would be a bold pick.

    I don't think that picking the loser of the past (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by tigercourse on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:00:25 PM EST
    creates the right image. And Obama is already pulling in the Kerry voters. It's the people who didn't care for Kerry that he needs to get.

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    He's not pulling in the Kerry voters, though... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Exeter on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:25:04 PM EST
    Especially Seniors and blue collar whites.

    Parent
    Many of the Kerry voters of 2004 (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:07:00 PM EST
    were already holding their noses.  Put Kerry on the ticket with Obama and you will have to add "plugging up their ears and wearing a blindfold" to the measures needed to be able to cast a vote for that combo.

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    One Problem Though (none / 0) (#19)
    by JimWash08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:01:16 PM EST
    Many of those former Kerry supporters are (1) Hillary supporters (2) Edwards supporters.

    Let us not lose sight of the fact that Kerry chose not to endorse either one of them.

    Hillary who, together with her husband and a former TWO-TERM Democratic president, were two of his biggest supporters and cheerleaders in 2004.

    Edwards, who was his running mate, for goodness sakes.

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    At 5:00 EST/2:00 PST today (none / 0) (#20)
    by Pianobuff on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:01:38 PM EST
    There may be a big clue.

    Scratch one off the list? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Pianobuff on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:11:20 PM EST
    Does this rule out Bayh?

    OMG (none / 0) (#30)
    by tek on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:18:13 PM EST
    I can't believe he would chose Joe Biden. Bwhaaahaaa!

    What about this statement in your link? (none / 0) (#33)
    by mogal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:19:58 PM EST
    And who is the dark, dark horse in this Veepstakes? I think it's former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

    The speech writer Obama hired for the VP
    position worked for Daschle in the senate.

    Could it be?

    Gee whiz, if its Daschle...... (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:21:40 PM EST
    ...they should have hired him a new speechwriter cause the old one wasn't exactly memorable.

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    I just read in the paper today (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by janarchy on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:00:42 PM EST
    that Daschle himself says he's not in the running. That's one of the few things I am thankful about!

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    dark, dark horse (none / 0) (#64)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:12:08 PM EST
    that sounds racial!   /s

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    don't think Biden pick will be very popular in the (none / 0) (#43)
    by DFLer on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:23:23 PM EST
    AA blogosphere:

    Check out this thread I posted to previously:

    thread

    Springfield, Lincoln, Team of Rivals (none / 0) (#50)
    by catfish on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:33:36 PM EST
    this can only mean one thing: he is going to be such a cooperative politician, he's going to surpass Lincoln. He's going to nominate Hillary for president, agree to be her veep.

    I can dream.

    Of course a girl can dream (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Redshoes on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:33:03 PM EST
    and HRC's from Illinois a long, long time ago.  A perfect choice.

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    So far the media (none / 0) (#53)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:39:23 PM EST
    has predicted about 6 different people to be the shoeins for VP.

    Seems like Biden is flavor du jour simply because he went to Georgia.  

    I still believe there are about 3 people who know who the pick is and that's it and they ain't talking.

    Biden (none / 0) (#56)
    by JThomas on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 02:56:15 PM EST
    has a long voting record to flame but he is a long time Foreign Relations Committee Chair who is a great attack dog. I would have liked Hillary to be nominated but Biden and her are very tight and so I can live with him.
    Biden has never endorsed Obama, I think out of respect for Hillary and Bill.

    My money is on (none / 0) (#63)
    by Farmboy on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:08:42 PM EST
    Tom Vilsack!  First one out of the pres race, first one across the finish line in the VP contest!

    Cue the exploding heads in 3, 2, 1...

    You know (none / 0) (#68)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:14:30 PM EST
    I wouldn't be shocked by this whatsoever.  

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    I think it's going to be a (none / 0) (#65)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:13:29 PM EST
    rabbit-out-of-the-hat pick: Obama/Gore.

    I think Al Gore (none / 0) (#80)
    by samanthasmom on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:31:29 PM EST
    should do a "Barry Goldwater", and sit down with Obama and tell him that for the good of the party he should remove his name from nomination. Gore is the only one who could do it, and it needs to be done. A Democratic Party that turns its convention into a old-fashioned tent revival needs a wake-up call. I want my father's Democratic Party back. You know, the one that believes in the constitution and represents the people - even those of us who live comfortably without a belief in the spiritual supernatural. Then if Al wants the nomination for president, he can have it.

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    I'm a longtime (none / 0) (#82)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:00:06 PM EST
    non-fan of Gore, but I think even the most ardent Hillary supporter would agree that if Gore could be arm-twisted back into politics and onto this ticket it would be a more sure-fire winner than even Obama/Clinton would be. The fact that Gore is speaking along with Obama on Thursday could indicate an offer of something more like a co-presidency, and a chance for a powerful VP handed responsibility to push a sweeping environmental and renewable energy agenda.

    As for the tent revival nonsense and the trashing of the Constitution, blame the American people for letting themselves be endlessly suckered by phony religiosity, jingoism, and transparent fear-mongering. The candidates do it because it works, and they won't stop doing it until it stops working.

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    No, I meant Obama steps down. (none / 0) (#85)
    by samanthasmom on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:44:46 PM EST
    It was Barry Goldwater who told Nixon it was time to resign. I never meant to suggest an Obama/Gore ticket. What an insult that would be to Gore. Obama has had since early June to try to get his act together. The Democrats are more divided than ever, and the number of busunders is getting ridiculous. He just isn't ready for primetime.

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    I know what you meant (none / 0) (#86)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:10:47 PM EST
    I think Gore is enough of a patriot to do it if he's asked to, if he can help bring a Dem landslide and especially if there's even the slimmest chance of a Republican win otherwise.

    And then McCain trots out Lieberman...

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    Only a public call from Gore would (none / 0) (#91)
    by MarkL on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 01:12:32 AM EST
    work, and that isn't going to happen.

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    hmmmm... (none / 0) (#84)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:38:30 PM EST
    this makes me think the ultimate nominee isn't from a swing state.  if it were bayh or kaine, then i feel like they'd take advantage of that for the setting.  but if it's someone from, say, delaware or kansas or new york, then go back to the historic symbolism well.

    Oh, please, God, not (none / 0) (#93)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 06:44:18 AM EST
    Springfield again.  So irritating.

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