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CO Sheriffs Hold Gun Rights Rally Before Obama's Visit

Hours before President Obama arrives to give a speech advocating gun control, more than a dozen Colorado sheriffs held a rally supporting gun rights.

"While these dedicated county sheriffs stand here publicly for the rights of their citizens, the president later today will be hiding behind the walls at the Denver Police Academy, surrounding with a handpicked audience of gun-control supporters and police employees coerced (into attending) his political rally as he declares victory for the Denver Gov. John Hickenlooper," Smith added.

Smith accused Obama and fellow Democrats of exploiting the tragedies of deadly shooting rampages at an Aurora movie theater and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. He said a package of Colorado gun control legislation recently passed by Democratic lawmakers and signed by Hickenlooper would not have prevented those mass shootings.

Colorado just passed new gun control laws last week. Obama is trying to drum up support for changes to federal laws. I doubt he'll get it from Republicans here.

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    These Sheriff Rallies... (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:28:40 PM EST
    ...creep me out.  They are sworn to uphold the Constitution, but out of all it, they only get worked up over 2A.  I remember when cops hated assault riffles and backed measure to keep them out of the hands of the general public.  Just seems like they are using the power of their office to promote their own personal agendas.

    It's been my experience the last people on earth who care about Constitution rights, wear badges.

    You are (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:04:33 AM EST
    correct sir! My experience is that they look at the Constitution to be a hindrance to their jobs. Just invoke your Constitutional rights at a traffic stop and the first thing one of these badgeholders will spout is "What are you, some kind of lawyer?"


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    What is the intellectual point of this post? (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Dadler on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:27:32 PM EST
    To evidence Colorado sheriffs engaged in this are intellectually vacant?  That's the only reason I can figure. Accusing anyone of exploiting murders to pass gun control is, in two words, phucking insane. It's like saying after a natural disaster that kills thousands that we shouldn't do everything we can to shore up our ability to cut down on the number of casualties the next storm could cause. It is the product of minds so poisoned by their own irrational fears and prejudices that self-preservation goes out the door. Not one of these guys deserves to keep their job, they aren't mentally fit for it. Period.

    Penis substitutes, that is what most guns are, and nothing more. There is no relation at all between what is written in the second amendment and what guns are in this society today, no relation at all, so saying the gun lobby is upholding the constitution is pure bullsh*t, a willful twisting of reality for very bizarre reasons. It's really a sort of phallic cult at this point, gun as the ultimate cock. Just a pitiful, inexcusable and self-destructive joke.

    To repeat: this has nothing at all to do with a well regulated militia, not a thing in the least. And all the SCOTUS rulings on this so far have been as wrong as the worst pro-slavery rulings, the logic just as erroneous and prejudiced and idiotic. Sorry, the truth hurts. Just say you love guns for the power, for the sex, for the whatever, just don't claim you're part of a well-regulated militia, because you're not.

    What about me? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Cylinder on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 11:59:57 PM EST
    Just say you love guns for the power, for the sex, for the whatever, just don't claim you're part of a well-regulated militia, because you're not.

    I'm part of some well-regulated militias.

    If anyone is having sex with a firearm, please keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and remember to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

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    The intellectual point (none / 0) (#14)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:43:18 AM EST
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    The intellectual point is that it is wonderful to see law enforcement people demonstrating in favor of civil rights.

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    "Civil rights" (none / 0) (#15)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:14:24 AM EST
    The "civil right" to own magazines that hold more than 15 rounds and the "civil right" to buy a gun without a background check/fee.

    Heh.

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    15 rounds (none / 0) (#17)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:45:59 AM EST
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    It is now your civil right to be allowed to borrow your uncle's shot gun for a month and return it without paying a fee and having a background check for each of the two transfers.  The Schumer bill takes that away.

    BTW, congresswoman Diana DeGette that is sponsoring some of the more idiotic measures had this to say about why banning new normal capacity magazines will make us all safer:

    "I will tell you these are ammunition, they're bullets, so the people who have those now they're going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available."

    Apparently the concept of "reloading" was left our of her calculation of the effectiveness of banning new production.  It is sad that such ignorance is writing legislation.

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    More irrelevant arguments (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:26:57 AM EST
    It is now your civil right to be allowed to borrow your uncle's shot gun for a month and return it without paying a fee and having a background check for each of the two transfers.  The Schumer bill takes that away.

    No, it's not.  "Civil rights" are those rights are those rights protected by legislation and (more commonly) the US Constitution and the 13th/14th Amendments.  There was no law or Constitutional right to "borrow your uncle's shotgun" prior to this Colorado law.

    DeGette's comments are irrelevant and are not representative of those who support this legislation, any more than the outright lies of pro-gun legislators and groups.  But if you want to try to smear all supporters of these laws with her comments, we can go there:

    Bill Jackson (GA) -

    There's more with hammers than with shotguns and pistols and AK-47s.
     (joined by Paul Broun - GA)

    NRA - Says Barack Obama "supported Ted Kennedy's ammo ban to outlaw all deer-hunting ammunition.

    Craig James (TX) -

    Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are negotiating with the United Nations about doing a treaty that will ban the use of firearms.

    NRA -

    "Across the board, violent crime in jurisdictions that recognize the Right to Carry is lower than in areas that prevent it."

    Jason Brodeur (FL) - Says gun ownership information could be recorded and collected by the federal government and insurance companies as part of the federal health care law.

    NRA - Obama's has a "ten point plan" to change the Second Amendment and ban the use of firearms for home defense.

    I could go on (and on, and on, and on ...), but I trust you get the point.

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    So use (including sharing) of your own property is not a civil right!  Who knew?  

    Is it your view that use of your own property is not by right, but only by sufferance of the state?

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    Silly argument (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:05:43 AM EST
    Conversely,

    I have an absolute right to "use" my property anyway I choose?  The right to loan any property you choose to any person you choose is a "civil right" guaranteed by the Constitution?  I can let my aunt borrow my prescription meds?  I can loan my car to my 13-year-old nephew because it's "my property"?  I have a constitutionally-protected right to let my uncle the drug dealer/convicted felon borrow my gun?  Hey, it's my property!  I can use it however I choose and loan it to whomever I want, not at the "sufferance of the state".

    Heh.

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    BTW (none / 0) (#21)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:56:30 AM EST

    Deer hunting ammunition = cop killer bullets in Teddy's legislation.  There was no NRA lie.

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    BTW - Yes, it was (none / 0) (#23)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:13:11 AM EST
    Ted Kennedy's proposal was to change the definition of armor-piercing ammunition to include all ammunition capable of piercing body armor.  Hard to imagine anyone objecting to a ban on "cop-killer bullets", but some of these gun guys are pretty far out there.

    It did not (as the NRA claimed in 2012) ban all deer-hunting ammunition.  

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    Now you understand (none / 0) (#25)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:04:44 AM EST
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    Now you understand why it would have outlawed virtually all deer hunting ammunition.  The common deer hunting 30-06, 308, and 303 would have been banned.  

    So at worst the NRA was a tiny smidge over broad saying "all" instead of "virtually all" or "all common" deer hunting ammunition.  That's hardly a lie.

    Most people probably would not object to restrictions on armor piercing ammunition in typical pistol calibers, but the wholesale outlawing of virtually all center fire rifle ammunition is quite another thing.  

    Likewise, most would not object to a background check on private sales, but loans between friends and extended family is another matter, as is multiple paid background checks on the same person at the same time or nearly the same time.

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    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:55:47 AM EST
    Cherry-picking and worst-case-interpreting, combined with false exaggeration are merely being "a tiny smidge overbroad" now?

    Heh.

    But nice job ignoring all the other lies and the main point - that the misstatement of a single proponent is not grounds for discounting the valid arguments for a law.

    As far as what you think "most would not object to" - that's nice that you think so .... but you still haven't stated what "civil right" or part of the Constitution is being violated by prohibiting high-capacity magazines or requiring a background check on private transfers.

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    Valid arguements (none / 0) (#31)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:32:26 PM EST

    So, name lust one common deer hunting cartridge that would have been spared the Teddy ban.  Good luck finding one.

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    You're Veering Off Course... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 04:51:31 PM EST
    ...the 2A doesn't mention anything about hunting.

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    Depite the cries of "awaking (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:57:10 PM EST
    a sleeping giant" that would rise up in righteous anger, only about 50 people turned out for the Sheriff's "protest", including the speakers.  Even less showed up to protest Obama's event despite the NRA's call to action.

    Looks like your typical fevered black man in the White House/UN/name your favorite conspiracy crowds, complete with ignorant signs.  Pics here and here.

     

    Cops Who Support 2d But Not Other Amendments (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by quackn on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:54:30 PM EST
    I agree that the cops should stand up for the Second Amendment.  I also agree that it is despicable that most of them don't stand up for the remaining Bill of Rights. I'm sick of Republicans who don't stand for all of the Bill of Rights, but only for the Second Amendment.  I'm sick of the Democrats not standing up for the Second Amendment and are only luke-warm in standing for the rest of the Bill of Rights.  I was hopeful that Obama would stand up for the Bill of Rights, but he has been a major disappointment to me that he is worse than Bush when it comes war and terrorism.

    1% lose income (none / 0) (#1)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 02:38:55 PM EST
    That was the choice of the IDPA (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 02:56:45 PM EST
    Their decision, not Obama's or anyone else's.  You don't make public policy or laws based on whether some, small group decides to have a tantrum and goes elsewhere to play their Raylan-Givens-fantasy-games.

    But your crocodile tears of concern for the motel maids are noted.

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    Speaking of the 1% (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by NYShooter on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:07:43 PM EST
    Why aren't these "job creators" out there creating jobs instead of sitting on their multi-trillion dollar horde that our Central Bank so generously handed them?


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    Fear Not.... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:10:21 PM EST
    ...they will make up for it by having less dead Colorodans, oh yeah, and by legalizing weed.

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    Seriously... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:38:33 PM EST
    the soon to be weed tourism capital of America, tourism is gonna be booming.

    Coloradoans have spoken...they rather have me visit packing sweets, than Abdul packing heat;)  

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    Got any evidence of that? (none / 0) (#8)
    by redwolf on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:05:06 PM EST
    I've yet to see proof that gun control reduces the murder rate at all.  And I'm talking the total murder rate, not just murders by gun rate.

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    Might have something to do ... (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:03:36 PM EST
    ... with the fact that the NRA/GOP have prevented the CDC from funding studies of the issue, leading to a dearth of studies on the subject.  Can't imagine why.  Not to mention the fact that modern gun control measures in the U.S. have been tiny and minimally incremental, at best.

    Australia, OTOH, has had great success with their gun control laws.

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    Then there are the reviews ... (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:19:41 PM EST
    ... of the studies which have repeatedly shown that homicide rates are higher in areas where there are more guns:

    Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries.  Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.


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    States with the strictest gun control laws... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Dadler on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:11:58 PM EST
    ...have the least amount of gun violence. It would seem kind of, um, axiomatic that this reduces the overall murder rate too, UNLESS, for whatever reason, knife murders rise equally.

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    Times That by 100... (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:55:30 AM EST
    ...for countries with strict gun control laws.

    US is nearly at the bottom of the hole for homocides from firearms rates.

    Sad Facts about Firearms.

    Small arms, commonly known as firearms or guns,2 are used to kill as many as 1,000 people each day. Millions more are wounded, or their lives upended when access to development aid, markets, health, education and human rights is disrupted by people with guns.

    There are more than 875 million firearms in the world, 75 per cent of them in the hands of civilians. Guns outnumber passenger vehicles by 253 million, or 29 per cent.  Each year about eight million new small arms, plus 10 to 15 billion rounds of ammunition are manufactured -- enough bullets to shoot every person in the world not once, but twice.  The authorized international trade in small arms and ammunition exceeds US$7.1 billion each year.


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    Not sure if anyone remembers this.  But the same day of the Sandy Hook Shooting, a madman went on a rampage in China attacking elementary school kids with a knife.  Jeralyn tried to use this as example of people using other weapons when guns aren't available.  While true, the problem is knives suck when you goal is kill a lot of people, even kids.  Not one person died that day at that school.  
    Gun are illegal in China.

    What non of the pro-gun people will ever admit, is that guns are the problem that we need guns to protect ourselves from.  But like I have said many times, they let the market get so saturated, even if we stopped manufacturing all guns, the violence reduction would be miniscule.  It would take, IMO, 50 years to see any meaningful results.  So IMO all this talk of gun controls is masturbation, these fractional changes aren't go to do anything.  

    And if Connecticut is any indication, trying to reduce the number of guns has the exact opposite effect because the nuts are.... paranoid, to say the least.  Wonder how many of these idiots are putting themselves in financial chaos to buy a gun they don't need.

    But we have to do something, the gun industry has poisoned way too many minds.

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    Ever been to Chicago or DC? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:18:46 AM EST
    It looks like the states with the best Brady grade (most restrictive) have the worst murder rates using CDC data.  A close look at the data gives the distinct impression that those restrictive states really don't like black people very much.

    If your definition of "gun violence" includes suicide, then you should be honest and talk about "gun suicides" instead. Suicides greatly outnumber murders to the point that the gun murder rate is swamped by the gun suicide rate in a combined stat.  

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    Is that what it "looks like"? (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:48:08 AM EST
    ... to someone creating a chart on a winger site?  Is that the "impression" that it gives?

    Maybe you should look again - at an actual scientific study, as opposed to a chart from PJMedia.

    A higher number of firearm laws in a state are associated with a lower rate of firearm fatalities in the state, overall and for suicides and homicides individually.

    Not to mention the studies showing that homicide rates are higher in areas where there are more guns:

    Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries.  Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.


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    No Sh*t Sherlock (none / 0) (#28)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:02:55 PM EST

    From your link:

    ...studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

    People in areas where the risk of murder is higher are more likely to have defensive weapons.  Wow, what a surprising finding!

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    What's up, Watson? (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:28:31 PM EST
    Your claim was that the states with the most restrictive gun laws (and therefore, presumably, fewer guns) have the worst murder rates.  Assuming it was true, why would it surprise you that states with high murder rates would enact more restrictive gun laws?

    Of course, in reality (PJMedia posts aside) the studies have shown just the opposite.  The states with the highest number of firearm laws have lower firearm death rates - both suicide and homicide.

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    And, another thing (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by NYShooter on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:12:00 PM EST
    Why is it that those who argue against the statistically true fact that death by handguns is lower in places where gun regulations are strictest say, "ahah, but you're counting suicides, and they make up almost half of the deaths." Well, duh, suddenly suicide deaths aren't important? We, who have been arguing forever that suicides are very often spur-of-the-moment actions, and having a loaded handgun handy makes carrying out that action so much more probable.

    And, remember, we're talking about "reducing" handgun related deaths, not eliminating them 100% So, please don't come back with the same old refrains, "but, but, you could jump out the window, drink a bottle of Drano, yadda, yadda."

    A little common sense, please.


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    I don't even know who Smith is... (none / 0) (#5)
    by unitron on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:31:00 PM EST
    ...but if he had as many people out to murder him as any recent President has had, he'd be hiding behind those Police Academy walls as well.

    Yman you are done on this topic (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:54:47 PM EST
    You have become a chatterer. Please return another day.