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Apocalypse Day Three: "An American Tragedy"

David Remmick in the New Yorker has an excellent article on Donald Trump's win, calling it nothing short of an American Tragedy. He is correct, for all the reasons he states. (Also See Remmick's long article a few weeks ago in the New Yorker on his last interview with Leonard Cohen.)

Protests continued around the country last night. Thousands marched down the 16th St. Mall in Denver. [More...]

From David Lane, Colorado's most prominent (and justly so) civil rights attorney, who applauded the protesters as they passed by:

“I’m witnessing the first amendment at its best,” Lane said. “Thousands and thousands have taken to the streets to protest the election of a racist, misogynist, xenophobic man.”

This is also people-powered politics at its best.

Children in strollers, some on foot, and people walking dogs on leashes were part of the mobile gathering...Two women, a daughter and mother ages 50 and 80, were part of the protest....“I’m really unhappy we have elected a president like Trump. I don’t believe all of his lies,” the octogenarian said.

The 10pm local news said more than 5,000 marched in Downtown Denver -- that's huge. They went from the capitol through downtown on the 16th Mall, turned around and marched to East High School (more than a mile away), then came back downtown via Colfax Avenue.

A second protest march is going on in Denver now, with protesters entering I-25 trying to block traffic. The police in riot gear are there trying to stop them. They've just moved on to a different highway entrance.

Trump, who appears to have wrested control of his Twitter account back from his handlers, blasted the protests today, claiming they were incited by the media. Very different tune than he sang in 2012, when he tweeted,

We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!

One of the biggest KKK groups in the country, the Loyal White Knights of Pelham, NC, will be holding a parade on Dec. 3 to celebrate Trump's win.

DACA applicants are readying for an immigration nightmare -- that a Trump Administration will get access to their home addresses, something the Obama administration promised wouldn't happen if they applied for temporary protection against removal under his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

Now for the really depressing news: Donald Trump will be doling out 4,000 federal jobs. He even launched his new transition site today. But rather than go there, you can go to Center for Presidential Transition. On the page about the Incoming Administration:

The goal of a presidential transition team is not only to help the president-elect prepare to take office, but to fill roughly 4,000 politically appointed positions, including more than 1,000 jobs requiring Senate confirmation.

This article in the Washington Post will make you want to take a shower when you're done -- it's about how the KKK and other extremist groups are celebrating Trump's election and intend to keep the pressure on him to enact their racist, nationalist, pro-life, anti-immigrant agendas.

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    Great (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:06:57 AM EST
    I just woke up. I thought I was doing better, but I watched coverage of Trump with Obama before I fell asleep. Trump was supposed to being staying in DC and meeting with Obama again today, but instead left last night and headed back to Trump Tower. He looked and acted so uncomfortable in Obama's presence, like the fact something is broken inside of him is exposed when he's sitting next to Obama. I think it gave me nightmares, that and the protests.

    Paul Ryan plans to gut Medicare (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 12:00:27 PM EST
    first thing. It is no secret that Paul Ryan hates Medicare. Also hates Medicaid, Social Security (even though he collected SS Survivor Benefits in high school and college after his father died) and basically every federal program that tries to keep people out of poverty.

    He is already spewing lies about Medicare solvency and Obamacare. Obamacare has extended Medicare solvency by 13 years. Repealing Obamacare will destroy that gain, thus giving Ryan his talking point.

    I certainly have a stake in this, as do many other TLers. Without Medicare i would be dead now. If Ryan gets his way and we are pushed into the private market without any of the protections for age and pre-existing conditions that current Medicare and Obamacare provide, given ridiculously inadequate vouchers to pay for private insurance, well, a whole lot of us are going to die. And that includes a whole lot of older white people who voted for Trump.

    Elections have consequences.

    Yes, elections have consequences. (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 12:54:27 PM EST
    In the repeal of Obamacare, Paul Ryan has been given his opportunity to dismantle Medicare in favor of his long-held coupon plan.

     Ryan is well aware that Obamacare can't be repealed without decoupling Medicare--because of the way that some of the cost of Obamacare was offset by the realized savings in Medicare.

      Trump indicated during the campaign that he would not change Medicare (or social security), but the Republican platform said differently. So, we would be left with all the confidence of a Trump word on the matter, knowing that Trump would be willing to make a deal, even if he is the dreaded "puppet, no puppet, you are the puppet" of Ryan.

    Ryan and the Republicans surely can't believe their good fortune and will take full advantage of Trump's ignorance and maneuver him accordingly.  

    Based on his offer of the vice president spot to Kasich, Kasich was to be in charge of foreign and domestic matters. When asked what Trump would do, the response was all public relations, sort of the head of pageantry and chief hippie-puncher and vindictiveness tweeter.

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    Yes they do (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 04:32:12 PM EST
    And the people that votes for Trump are not going to be exempt from the consequences. They will be paying 2k a mon th for insurance with little to no coverage

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    Say what??? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 05:19:32 PM EST
    A few short weeks ago Democrats, and especially Hillary voters, were demanding that Trump pledge to accept what they saw was his forth coming defeat.

    Now I see Left Wing Demos in the street and I hear nothing from you condemning this.

    Hillary graciously conceded what more do you want? (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:01:24 PM EST
    No-one called on Trump to control his voters if he wasn't elected.

    Apples to Oranges.

    If I were you Jim, instead of venting faux outrage out your perceived enemies, I'd keep my eye on my so called friends.

    Jamie Dimon for Secretary of the Treasury is not draining the swamp. You've been had.

    Coal jobs are not coming back, regardless of what Trump does, you've been had.

    Congress is not going to expend billions to build a wall, Mexico isn't going to pay for it, you've been had.

    Banning Muslims will have consequences with our Allies fighting Isis, you've been had.

    Repealing Obamacare will cause premiums to skyrocket, you've been had.

    Medicare vouchers? Good luck getting private insurance at your age, and if you have pre-existing conditions??
    You've been had.

    Like you, I am from the deep South. I know a little about snake handlers,  tent revivals patent medicine salesmen.

    From one Southerner to another: keep your eyes on your so called friends. You've been had.

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    What Do We Have To Lose By Trying Optimism? (none / 0) (#17)
    by RickyJim on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:31:26 PM EST
    I hope he will carry out the sensible things he has said and soft pedal the rest. I am happy that the US will not get further involved in Syria.  I know of people who voted for Trump solely on the basis of HRC's suggestion she might enforce a no fly zone there.  I think Trump and General Flynn believe that US military efforts to remove wicked dictators have lead to more people being killed than if we had left them alone and simply made economic deals with them.

    He seems now to think that he won't just tear up the Iran nuclear deal since Russia is part of it.  He can tell his fellow Republicans to go to H on that, just like he did throughout the campaign.

    Just today he told the Wall Street Journal that he plans to keep parts of the AFC.  So cheer up everybody, he may just give us a pleasant shock.

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    Not for a second (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:25:16 PM EST
    He's espoused his views, they are not inclusive, they are degrading to large segments of the population and he has no experience. There is not even a scintilla of a reason to be optimistic or to give him a chance. He doesn't deserve it. You will find no unity shtick here.

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    Thank you for that (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:11:45 PM EST
    I know you  make a significant effort to be fair here, but this is an entirely different matter.

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    Thank you, Jeralyn (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by Towanda on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 10:34:01 PM EST
    No unity shtick will bring me back here, as too many sites and sorts are capitulating to normalizing that orange lout.  He is NOT "a very good man," unquote Obama, and normalizing that lout and the horror ahead is NOT serving the nation.  
     

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    what sensible things? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:39:18 PM EST
    He wanted to use nuclear weapons in the middle east. Your definition of sensible and mine differ greatly I fear.

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    Molly, you're better than this (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by NYShooter on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 10:59:48 PM EST
    From Politifact:

    A Clinton campaign ad claims Trump has talked about the option of using nuclear weapons against America's western European allies.

    Experts said his comments on nuclear weapons are imprecise, but they interpreted his comments as vaguely aligned with U.S. policy, at least in the sense that America does not rule out using weapons to protect allies.

    Trump never explicitly talked about using nuclear weapons against America's allies in Europe -- but that he is just leaving the option open.

    The claim has an element of truth but is misleading, so we rate it Mostly False.

    And, he made the same statement about the M.E.

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    George W. Bush (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 07:33:23 PM EST
    campaigned on avoiding "nation building" and advocated a more "humble" foreign policy in 2000.  How did that turn out?

    W was also a business guy....there are a lot of eerie similarities.

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    Not sure how old you are but (none / 0) (#31)
    by coast on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:32:47 PM EST
    In Sept 2001 we lost over 3,000 innocent American lives.  That kind of changed things.

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    Iraq had nothing (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:01:44 PM EST
    To do with 9 11

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    Most likely older than you (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:10:46 PM EST
    cheap insult.

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    Hey coast, here's how it changed things (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:21:10 PM EST
    Hunter S. Thompson on 9/12/2001

    Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.

    It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy.

    We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or what will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once. Who knows?

    .....This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed -- for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now. He will declare a National Security Emergency and clamp down Hard on Everybody, no matter where they live or why. If the guilty won't hold up their hands and confess, he and the Generals will ferret them out by force.



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    Nope Haven't been had (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:10:09 PM EST
    Medicare isn't going away and Muslims won't be banned and the market is going up....

    You folks have yelled fire too often. No one believes you anymore.

    And a nice concession speak isn't enough if you are the just defeated candidate.

    And now we know where all the people you folks hired to stage riots went....

    (Okay Okay an over reach but you started it.)

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    Jim, I guess you missed (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:23:26 PM EST
    Paul Ryan, see my latest post. He's already said he talked to Trump and reforming Medicare is part of overhauling Obamacare. As someone over 70, I would think you'd be concerned. Take off the blinders.

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    Medicare needs to be reformed (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:10:27 AM EST
    It was created in an age when paying 80% was enough. Now 20% of a $500,000 doctor bill will bankrupt you so you must carry very expensive supplement insurance that covers the gap but doesn't cover dental or vision or extended skilled nursing care.

    But it won't be reformed in the Ryan way.

    What I find ironic is that Hillary ignored the one fear card that might have split the old folks away from Trump.

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    B.S., again. HRC did not ignore it. (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Towanda on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:53:50 AM EST
    The media did not report what she said about it.

    For example, the dominant three major networks devoted an entire 32 minutes to policy coverage of the campaign in the entirety of 2016.  

    Because: emailz . . . and ratings and circulation.

    You could go find the coverage of HRC's discussion of this.  But you would rather continue to read little and post a lot here, in the desperate hope that anyone here finds your spew at all credible.

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    Gkad to see (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:58:44 AM EST
    After yammering about single payer. You ow support elimination. Obviously you are going to blame somebody else. Its what republicans do

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    GA, you again (none / 0) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:06:48 PM EST
    choose to misunderstand.

    Under Trump it is a given that single payer will not happen.

    Obamacare may have some changes. But unless the Repubs do what Reid said he would do and go nuclear option  there's no way it will be gone completely and no way Medicare will be radically changed.

    But yes, it does need some changes. Those are the ones I see it needing.

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    Read jim (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:04:38 PM EST
    Ryan and trump are both saying they are going to eliminate Medicare with voucher care. So you're gonna be paying 2k for insurance Ryan is going to give you a check for 600 bucks. Good luck. From what both of them plan about 50% of the country is going to be uninsured

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    GA it is doubtful that Ryan will (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 09:28:38 AM EST
    even be the Speaker. Plus the Senate would have to agree on "gutting" Medicare.

    Plus... you think Social Security is the third rail??? Medicare is the third rail made of super conductor material.

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    Ryan is leading (none / 0) (#128)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 02:31:36 PM EST
    the legislation. It's likely he is going to be speaker. The senate is controlled by the GOP and they will do what they are told. The Dems can all vote against it but it won't matter. There are enough Republicans to pass eliminating Medicare.

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    Neither of us know (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 04:52:31 PM EST
    who the Speaker will be. Ryan is unpopular among the base.

    The Repubs do not have a filibuster proof majority
    in the Senate.

    So you are saying that the Democrats, in your words, will let Medicare be destroyed.

    That'll get you lots of votes in 2018.

    The second option would be for the Repubs to do what Harry Reid threatened, exercise the nuclear option and go to a simple majority. They won't do that.

    Because even if they did it is doubtful enough Senators would vote for it.

    In fact, it is doubtful that it could get out of the House. This wasn't a Repub win and Congress knows it. Ryan can flap his jaws but that's all.

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    They are planning (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 05:11:09 PM EST
    on doing it under reconciliation so all they need is 51 votes Jim. They'll be sure to get that many votes to eliminate Medicare.

    No, the Democrats are out of this Jim. All we can do is tell everybody that the GOP wants to destroy Medicare but really you continually vote for people who want to eliminate it and expect the people you don't vote for to save you from your worst impulses. It's simple. If you don't want Medicare eliminated quit voting for Republicans.

    There will be no reprimands for Republicans voting to get rid of Medicare. They're in gerrymandered districts and they can do anything they want and they will still get voted back in.

    Look. This is all on the Republicans. Anything that happens from here on out you need to leave the Democrats out of. Elections have consequences and this is one of them. Democrats can run on I voted against eliminating Medicare in 2018.

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    An "October" surprise overlooked: (none / 0) (#74)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 12:06:14 PM EST
    - the Blue Cross and others' announcements of huge rate increases in health and medigap insurance rates.

    I'm lucky. I won't even have to cancel my New York Times subscription to pay for increased health insurance rates.  

    But a lot of people will be canceling shoes, clothing, food, roof repairs, tires, educations...

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    Yes, but (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by Towanda on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    I can afford it but cancelled my NYT subscription, anyway, to pick up another paper that does better journalism.

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    NY Times (none / 0) (#76)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:11:19 PM EST
    Letter to subscribers, in part...

    As we reflect on this week's momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you


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    We are headed to a state that got their (none / 0) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:32:10 PM EST
    Health insurance $hit together. Because it is a state thing, not an Obama thing. Every stare that shat on him, eff you, kma, enjoy nuking your own selves, Murika, hell yeah!

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    Name it. (none / 0) (#108)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:41:55 AM EST
    My guess (none / 0) (#115)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 10:28:52 AM EST
    NYS?, Maybe Masschussetts?  RomneyCare

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    Good for you (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:08:44 PM EST
    Not so good for many people.

    And that's the problem. People see it as unfair.

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    The odds are pretty good that ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Erehwon on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:09:39 PM EST
    Jim need not be concerned! The Republicans will protect their base and will definitely grandfather the current Medicare recipients. Why would these folks care whether the next generation gets Medicare or not, especially given the "other" folks who will form an increasingly larger fraction of the future potential Medicare recipients?

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    Yelling fire (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:15:13 PM EST
    We are just looking at Trump's own quotes....is that "yelling fire?"

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    Matttes not that you believe or dont (none / 0) (#55)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 11:14:39 PM EST
    Just keep an eye on your friend.  Btw he did promise to ban muslims, now you agree he is breaking that promise. Strike one.

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    The only (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 07:00:47 PM EST
    Reason anybody said that was because of trump himself.trump said he wouldn't accept the election results.

    Republicans seem to be awfully angry these days. Maybe it's the fraud trial coming up.

    Trump is eliminating Medicare. You've been conned again Jim

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    No, he said he would have to wait and see (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:11:01 PM EST
    Stop acting the fool, Jim. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:35:29 PM EST
    Abolishing Medicare and giving people inadequate vouchers to use in the private insurance market is exactly what is going to happen. It will be at the top of the list of legislation to be passed by the Republican Congress and signed by Trump.

    Paul Ryan has already stated that he discussed this with Trump, and Trump is onboard. It all part of abolishing the ACA.

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    Do you actually think (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:12:54 AM EST
    that Congress will let Medicare be abolished??

    Have you ever heard of "the third rail?"

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    They are going full steam (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 11:02:22 AM EST
    Ahead and you voted for it. Ryan says trump is fully on board.elimination is g ok my to happen first thing

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    It's what you Republicans want (none / 0) (#133)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:51:16 PM EST
    You phuckers spent 8 yrs deligitimizing Obama (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:59:36 AM EST
    He was born in Kenya

    Guess what, most of my Democrat friends have decided we won't be binding wounds with any of you after elections. We are going to return all your favors. Welcome to the new age.

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    Bring it on, MT! (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:21:42 AM EST
    Mud wrestling has always been fun to watch by the American electorate and keeps the bases unified!

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    You act like we are as nuts as you (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:29:48 AM EST
    Like we have had to jump in the pit to sling mud simply for the sake.

    Guess what, we don't, and it's not mud

    You guys take a dump right in the street everyday, sorry you thought we were throwing your own mud at you.

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    Just keep the riots up (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:10:25 PM EST
    They are defining you for the whole country to see.

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    And no doubt encouraging many Americans ... (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:35:04 PM EST
    ... to join in. You don't get to define the parameters of public protest for everyone else, Jim. Nor do you get to mischaracterize these public protests generally as "riots," when the overwhelming majority of participants are in fact exercising their constitutional right to lawful assembly.

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    Yes we have seen the (none / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 09:10:50 AM EST
    smashed windshields and destroyed properties...

    That's a heck of a job there, Donald.

     

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    Because come recess time, we're going to hunt down your inner child, kick its little white-wing a$$, and then steal its lunch money.

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    Hhahahahahahaha ... (none / 0) (#114)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 09:49:14 AM EST
    Suddenly, the wingers are worried about windshields when your candidate has advocated violence against people for months.

    It's like you're trying to be funny.

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    Well (none / 0) (#116)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 10:34:50 AM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/zeh29r4  NH Union Leader

    Not my President? It's Trump, like it or not
    Blocked streets, spray painted cars, broken windows.
    This is what we were told to expect from angry Donald Trump supporters when Hillary Clinton won the White House.

    For millions of Americans, Donald Trump is simply unacceptable as President. For millions of others, Hillary Clinton was just as unacceptable. We opposed them both, but were prepared to accept whatever decision American voters made.

    http://tinyurl.com/zzcrhvx  Glenn Greenwald, Wash Post

    Blinded by the belief that Obama was too benevolent and benign to abuse his office, and drowning in partisan loyalties at the expense of political principles, Democrats consecrated this framework with their acquiescence and, often, their explicit approval. This is the unrestrained set of powers Trump will inherit. The president-elect frightens them, so they are now alarmed. But if they want to know whom to blame, they should look in the mirror.

    Obama's approach to executive power flipped so quickly and diametrically that it is impossible to say if he ever believed his campaign-era professions of restraint.



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    You guys quack me up (none / 0) (#117)
    by fishcamp on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 10:55:27 AM EST
    Unfortunately the fighting Ducks lost miserably to Stanford.  Sorry about your Huskies Donald.  USC was both good and lucky.  Oculus, I know you're out there watching from some far away place, at a concert.  Sorry about Michigan losing by one measly point.  And The Tide rolls on.

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    So Greenwald's finally allowed back? (none / 0) (#118)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 11:12:04 AM EST
    Who's gonna make the next miraculous reappearance - Seymour Hersh?  

    Un Freakin' Believable.  I'll always treasure the memory of reading some of the bull$hit denialism I saw posted here.  "Greenwald the Commie Stooge."

    Since I'm in a charitable mood [Not] I'll have the rest of my opinion sung by Carole King:

    It's too late [suckers]

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    Should someone care ... (none / 0) (#132)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:46:30 PM EST
    ,,, what you or Glenn Greenwald think?

    Because that's even funnier?

    BTW - See if you can tell the difference between some unhappy people and the actual Republican candidate advocating violence against people and attempting to delegitimize the process as "rigged", now suddenly crying about protests.  (I'll underline and bold to help you out).

    It's like you guys are trying to be funny and just don't know it.

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    social liberal impersonators unite! (none / 0) (#67)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:27:17 AM EST
    "Fun to watch?" (none / 0) (#102)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:38:58 PM EST
    You guys really think this is a game.

    Not a game for the 11 million Trump has threatened to deport.  Or for those of us with Obamacare who can't otherwise get insurance because of pre-existing conditions.

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    Wired: Facebook Alone Didn't Create (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 11:47:34 AM EST
    Trump -- The Click Economy Did - Issie Lapowsky, 11/12/2016

    In mid-October I wandered into a Trump field office in Youngstown, Ohio and met Coni Kessler, a kind 75-year-old Youngstown native with penciled-on eyebrows and a Women for Trump button on her Trump 2016 t-shirt. She sat me down in a chair just beside her, and for more than an hour, explained why she detested Hillary Clinton and was ecstatic to vote for Trump this year.

    Clinton, she told me, is an atheist who wears an earpiece during debates so billionaire George Soros can feed her talking points. The day Clinton collapsed into the back of her van when she was sick with pneumonia? According to Kessler, the Clintons hired a young actress to run up and give Clinton a hug for a staged photo after the collapse. Kessler also said she'd seen videos of Bill Clinton raping an underage girl but that the video had mysteriously disappeared. She wondered why no one was talking about Bill Clinton's illegitimate, half-black son. And she said that whenever she talks negatively about Clinton online, "they"--presumably the technology overlords--shut her phone down.

    At some point, I stopped Kessler to ask her where she'd gotten all these stories, stories I knew were false Clinton conspiracy theories. Her answer: "It was on my Facebook page."



    In FaceBook post, Mark Zuckerberg says (none / 0) (#107)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:41:15 AM EST
    it's `extremely unlikely' fake news on Facebook changed the election outcome

    [Cue the Laugh Track]

    In a post on Facebook, founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg said that fake stories on the powerful social network did not change the recent presidential election results.

    Noting that most of Facebook content is "authentic" -- apparently 99 percent, although he offers no proof of how he got to this number -- and that fake news and hoaxes are not limited to one partisan view, Zuckerberg wrote: "Overall, this makes it extremely unlikely hoaxes changed the outcome of this election in one direction or the other."

    But others argue, including within the company itself, that numerous fakes stories that pop up on the service have real impact and Facebook needs to fix that. A report in the New York Times noted that there has been an intense debate within the company over the issue.



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    Harry Reid speaks for me. (none / 0) (#3)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 12:11:28 PM EST
    Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid's statement on Trump's win lays it on the line. I will miss Harry. Chuck Schumer is no Harry Reid.

    Here is part of Harry's statement. Go read the whole thing.

    "We as a nation must find a way to move forward without consigning those who Trump has threatened to the shadows. Their fear is entirely rational, because Donald Trump has talked openly about doing terrible things to them. Every news piece that breathlessly obsesses over inauguration preparations compounds their fear by normalizing a man who has threatened to tear families apart, who has bragged about sexually assaulting women and who has directed crowds of thousands to intimidate reporters and assault African Americans. Their fear is legitimate and we must refuse to let it fall through the cracks between the fluff pieces.

    "If this is going to be a time of healing, we must first put the responsibility for healing where it belongs: at the feet of Donald Trump, a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate. Winning the electoral college does not absolve Trump of the grave sins he committed against millions of Americans. Donald Trump may not possess the capacity to assuage those fears, but he owes it to this nation to try.



    And me. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Towanda on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 02:08:54 PM EST
    As for Obama, he normalized that large orange lout as "a very, very good man."

    Was this for the sake of "the Obama legacy," sacrificing the legacy of the party, the country?

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    It is getting worse, (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 02:51:43 PM EST
    by the minute.  Pence is now head of the transition team, which includes fringe characters, Trump family members, and the odious Ken Blackwell. Their job is to get those smartest people in the world as Trump promised, such as Sarah Palin and Pence's anti-gay and extremist friends.

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    Let them have the overt (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 02:56:54 PM EST
    loons in Cabinet positions.   That is better than reasonable sounding people who are still loons.  No cover.

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    Yup - our FL AG Pam Bondi is on the team (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 03:37:41 PM EST
    too. they do not come dumber. Hope she leaves the state.

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    Pam Bondi (none / 0) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 04:08:15 PM EST
    allegedly was very helpful to Trump on that pesky Trump University matter.

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    and me (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:28:26 PM EST
    And me. (none / 0) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:36:59 PM EST
    We will not be silenced.

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    And we ( the royal we, maybe) (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:41:51 PM EST
    will not "move to the right" as some have suggested, which is the next closest thing to being silenced.

    Don't mourn, organize.

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    ... put aside your keyboard, and head down to your local Democratic Party office to volunteer, because we've got work to do. I've been engaged in political organizing for years now.

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    Spot-on quote from an aqaintance (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 04:34:37 PM EST
    "So right now there's four or so "anti-Trump" factions that I can discern: Never-Trumpers and libertarians, heel-digging Clintonoid lizard people in the Fuhrerbunker screaming about how they've been failed by dumb racist rednecks, people trying to "reform" the Democrats and people that want to smash the Democrats."

    I guess if this gets deleted, so bet it. Peace & Love to all this weekend.

    The autopsies were written years ago, Dadler (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:16:52 PM EST
    Thomas Franks wrote one of the better ones: "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

    Frank updated the autopsy in a November 9th Guardian piece, Donald Trump is moving to the White House, and liberals put him there

    How did the journalists' crusade fail? The fourth estate came together in an unprecedented professional consensus. They chose insulting the other side over trying to understand what motivated them. They transformed opinion writing into a vehicle for high moral boasting. What could possibly have gone wrong with such an approach?


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    Jonathan Pie (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:12:48 PM EST
    Jonathan Pie is a satirical news reporter character created and played by actor Tom Walker. He is known for his apparent 'out take' rants of a conflicted reporter speaking his mind about the state of UK politics

    A most NSFW rant on Brexit  and Trump and the cause, same reasoning

    They chose insulting the other side over trying to understand what motivated them. They transformed opinion writing into a vehicle for high moral boasting. What could possibly have gone wrong with such an approach?

    http://tinyurl.com/zlrf9wy

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    Pie is an idiot (none / 0) (#134)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:56:06 PM EST
    ... and if it's a reflection of what Walker actually believes, so is he.  Not to mention the fact that his screaming schtick has gotten old.

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    Obviously (none / 0) (#136)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 08:27:53 PM EST
    You do not agree

    You are firmly ensconced in the Insult and Shut down all conversation and debate wing.

     

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    Your party (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 08:17:37 AM EST
    just told Americans they had better watch what they say. This is on you not us.

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    He (and you) (none / 0) (#140)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 06:40:04 PM EST
    ... are not "debating".  He's screaming his silly opinion at a camera for a comedy routine and you're $hit-stirring.

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    No (none / 0) (#141)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 07:08:33 PM EST
    He is furious that the Tories run Britain, Brexit occurred and now Donald effin Trump is in the White House.
    That is why he is furious, and he blames the insult throwing left, the shut down speech left, the lefts inability to produce a cogent argument , the preference to insult and shut down HAS NOT WORKED , but keep smashing your head against the wall.
    (A good Entwistle album)

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    You're hilarious (none / 0) (#142)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 09:17:39 PM EST
    For someone who has difficulty with basic logic, facts and forming your own arguments, you actually believe you can read the minds of others - even silly comedians.

    Not sure if that's hilarious or just sad.

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    So true (none / 0) (#144)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Nov 15, 2016 at 05:53:45 AM EST
    No one had any idea what Colbert and Jon Stewart , those silly comedians were thinking,

    You make me laugh.

    Comedians send messages through their humor.

    Stewart, Colbert, and yes, Pie.

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    BTW - You also project (none / 0) (#143)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 09:19:00 PM EST
    ... a lot.

    Why is that?

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    I Like Simon Jenkins Article Better (none / 0) (#19)
    by RickyJim on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:46:01 PM EST
    Trump is not the worst candidate to become president. He has to beat Andrew Jackson, Warren Harding and Richard Nixon for that title. He is unknown and unqualified rather than proven to be incompetent.

    Be calm: Trump is not the worst and won't go unchallenged

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    20% of Trump's voters believed he would (none / 0) (#24)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 07:47:48 PM EST
    start a nuclear war, according to a poll quoted in another Guardian op-ed.  They voted for him anyway.  Several years ago, 70% of evangelical voters said they believed that the moral issues, cheating on his wife, etc, disqualified a person for the presidency.  According to the op-ed, 72% of evangelicals now say that they're ok with it.

    The Graun is on fire today.  It's asking for donations, btw.  The paper is supported by a Trust with diminishing resources.

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    read my new post comparing him to (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:26:56 PM EST
    Civil War (none / 0) (#77)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:23:48 PM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/jlcwahc

    The often predicted Republican civil war might not be too acrimonious, divvying up the political spoils often act as a salve for open wounds. But they are still politicians, with immense egos...

    I just can't believe that Democrats would leave Chuckie Schumer and Nancy Pelosi in place as leaders in their respective houses.Their strengths are fundraising, but isn't it time for new, younger blood to take command

     

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    Because mitch McConnell (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 02:43:55 PM EST
    Is so young right? And lots of really bad ideas from a young Ryan. Schumer scares republicans for some reason.

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    They are praising McConnell (none / 0) (#93)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:11:24 PM EST
    Why would they push him out?

    His decision to not vote on Garland has given him a big boost in support...for now.

    These things will change, especially when they push him to drop the nuclear option on the filibuster, which he is not willing , for now, to do.
    Although I do find it disconcerting that so much of "leadership" in both political parties to be quite old. I myself would like term limits, 18 years for the Senate and House, and then recycle them them, keep  a steady flow of new blood and ideas in our government.

    The Republican civil war already occurred, and the establishment lost when Trump was nominated. The establishment was hoping to grab back the party after The Donald suffered a humuliating loss, but that never happened, and the never Trumpers will come back to the new Republican party.

    The Democrats will just be starting their internal power struggle. Keith Ellison is a interesting pick for Chairman, but the only weakness there is his full time job as Congressman. Many feel the Chairman should be a full time job.

    Donna Brazile got a real talking to already, will those in power relinquesh it willingly?

    I don't think Chuckie will be popular with the progressive wing of the party, The Donald and Chuckie are both deal makers, know each other very well, and will negotiate on a number of issues.

    Pelosi, I just don't understand, isn't it time for new blood? And the House , for the last 6 years , has been a disaster for Democrats

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    You said young (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:09:29 PM EST
    People need to step up when GOP leadership is decrepit in age.

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    Well (none / 0) (#101)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:03:56 PM EST
    It is kinda hard to force leadership aside after they have control of the White House, Senate and House. Not to mention the statewide dominance they currently have

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    I do agree. (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:13:05 PM EST
    The Gop and trump are one and the GOP is now the party of Trump.and yes republicans are too cowardly and craven to stand up to Trump. They are going to let Trump terrorize the majority of Americans who did not vote for him

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    No (none / 0) (#100)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:02:21 PM EST
    The politicians will accept what Republican voters have said,
    Well, not exactly accept, I am sure there will be pushback and negotiation between The Donalds campaign positions and the familiar Republican policy positions

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    You guys (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:53:40 PM EST
    Plan to terrorize the majority of Americans.the GOP will make their base of white nationalists very happy though.f

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    I'm listening to Walt Isaacson, Cokie Roberts (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 04:51:04 PM EST
    Jeff Greenfield, and Doris Kearns Goodwin again on Charlie Rose on the day before the election, all sounding like it's a given that Hillary will win..

    And yuk yuk yuking about how the DNC dealt with Sanders, as if he were simply some overgrown, disobedient child speaking for other disobedient children..

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    Of the people you named, jondee, there (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 05:02:54 PM EST
    is exactly no one whose opinion I value in the least. Every single one of them has opined on, tsk-tasked about, and relished various false and specious attacks on Hillary Clinton in particular and liberal/progressive Democrats in general.

    They may have shown in that program no respect for Sanders, but he is hardly alone in that. I have heard every one of them discussing Hillary Clinton over the years in tones dripping with distaste and condescension.

    Welcome to the club, Bernie.

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    This election (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 06:55:17 PM EST
    Will probably bring back. The DLC simply because some people don't understand alliances. Move the party right and forget about purity voters. All this makes me wish bernie had been the nominee so they could see him not even win the popular vote. Bernie darling zephyr teachout lost by 10 points in blue ny


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    if i remember (none / 0) (#26)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:11:53 PM EST
    correctly, were early polls were showing bernie over trump by twenty points while trump v clinton was a toss-up? would not labourers have voted pro-labour and anti-tpp bernie before trump? i know you will say "no" but i feel "yes."

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    There is no way Bernie (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:39:54 PM EST
    Would have flipped Cobb county here nor sandiego.Dukakis led too until the oppo came out. The biggest mistake Hillary made was being nice to Bernie it seems. None of those voters would have voted for him because of one word socialism and I think him running in the primary hurt the entire party.

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    what if hillary had picked (none / 0) (#33)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:47:59 PM EST
    bernie as veep?

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    bad idea (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:06:29 PM EST
    His progressive views were not unacceptable to mainstream America.

    The young did not desert Hillary -- nor did minorities. Millenials voted for her. It was old white men that fell for Trump. Look at the NY Times exit polls. Trump got 53% of the vote of those over 45 and only 10% of the liberal vote. Hillary got more than 50% of the vote among those 18 to 29 and 30 to 44.

    She should have picked Julian Castro rather than an old white male for VP -- either Sanders or Kaine.

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    I could weep, but I think I'm done crying (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:14:26 AM EST
    I so wanted one of the Castro boys as Veep.  And it isn't that I didn't in end come to like Kane, but we made no bold statement. And we have to bring our young pols along.  AND.....as Maher said last night, we had nobody who could do a rally. Sanders can rally, Trump can rally. I don't fault Clinton for not being good at rallies, even John McCain had Sarah Palin. We needed a Castro though so badly, so badly

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    and bernie is (none / 0) (#34)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:54:34 PM EST
    a pro-hunting Democratic Socialist from a rural state. and americans vote socialist all the time. my city councilmember is Socialist Alternative.

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    they are different things (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:15:13 PM EST
    You apparently need to google "democratic socialist." It is different than a socialist.

    Democratic socialists do not advocate for the government to own the means of production. They support capitalism. They believe certain things, like health care, should be run by the Government.

    Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a socialist or a "socialist alternative." Socialist alternatives support Marxism

    I really don't want this site to be linked to misinformation. I am going to delete future comments with factual misinformation.

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    im sorry (none / 0) (#46)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:32:19 PM EST
    i know Democratic Socialists are not Socialists. i'm mostly DS.

    the reference to my councilmember being Socialist Alternative was to rebutte the assertion that americans dont vote for socialists.

    im sorry. i must have written my previous post poorly.

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    im confused (none / 0) (#48)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 10:08:17 PM EST
    how you misinterpreted what i wrote.

    i wrote:

    and bernie is a pro-hunting Democratic Socialist
    to rebutte the assertion that he is a socialist.

    ----------

    i wrote:

    and americans vote socialist all the time. my city councilmember is Socialist Alternative.
    to rebutte the assertion that americans wont vote socialist.

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    No rural (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:06:09 PM EST
    People do not vote for socialists. You named two exceptions. What you don't get is that people think socialists are gonna take all their stuff

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    I get that uneducated (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 10:39:41 PM EST
    and undereducated people in Georgia may believe that. Most of them also believe that people who don't adhere to the same religious views as them are going to burn in the Lake of Fire. But I wouldn't presume to speak for "people" all over the United States.


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    Denial (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 10:56:36 PM EST
    It is bigger than just Georgia despite your hopes otherwise. Americans will accept fascism before socialism

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    why is Jeralyn threatening to ban me (1.00 / 1) (#53)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 11:11:05 PM EST
    for calling bernie sanders a socialist when i specifically stated he was a Democratic Socialist to rebutte your false asertion that he is a Socialist? because i cant figure this out.

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    She didn't say that she would ban you. (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:51:03 AM EST
    She said that she would delete any future comments that disseminate misinformation.

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    Again, based on your experience (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 11:09:17 PM EST
    in the South, where, yes, they obviously accept fascism and the end of any new fangled ways of thinking and ideas.

    You really think the Democratic Party needs to move more to the right?

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    It. Is not (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:56:50 AM EST
    Just my experience. Americans like Muslims better than socialism. There has been numerous articles and polling to back that up.
    All I hear is we need to get more white people to vote for us and that would be moving right.there is no untapped left white vote to get on the left

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    Rubbish. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:57:03 AM EST
    10% of "liberals," that vague garbage scow of word, voted for Trump.  That 10% is by definition available "to get."

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    Those polls were funny then (none / 0) (#135)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:59:42 PM EST
    They're even funnier, now.

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    Cokie Roberts (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 03:39:14 PM EST
    is the Hillary fan who floated the "whisper" of "Democrats" wanting Hillary to step aside and find another candidate because of her pneumonia episode (Sept 14, 2016).

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    "We will not mourn; we will organize" (none / 0) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 07:52:55 PM EST
    - Gloria Steinem in The Guardian

    We all will have to learn that the president can only hold a finger to the wind. We must become the wind.



    Joe Hill (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 11:12:29 PM EST
    "Don't mourn, organize!"

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    Prof. Allan Lichtman, who apparently called (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:37:06 AM EST
    Trump's win months ago, now predicts that Trump will be impeached and replaced by Pence sometime in the first term.  The establishment requires a reliable figurehead.

    The USA Today interview with Lichtman is video only so, no link.

    One prediction (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:51:01 AM EST
    Was based on a system that has been proven to be quite accurate, except for 2000.

    His impeachment prediction is based on a gut feeling.

    My gut feeling, Trump will not run for re election, the agonizingly slow movement of legislation, and his family wanting out of Washington, will make the decision to walk away after 4 years very easy

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    Its more likely trump (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 11:58:22 AM EST
    Quits because he gets bored

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    Swear to God (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:21:10 PM EST
    When was the last time we saw this ego, this arrogance, this phuck those hippies? Nixon. I was 10. I started having Nixon flashbacks today. Having moments of hey, I've seen this $hit before. And he's not going to get bored Ga. He's going to get enraged, he's going to get evil, he's going to get paranoid, he's going to get insanely vindictive

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    Content: (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:43:05 AM EST
    NYTimes: Clinton's Substantial Popular-Vote Win

    NYTimes: Bernie Sanders: Where the Democrats Go From Here

    New Yorker: In the Heart of Trump Country, by Larissa MacFarquhar

    New Yorker: Who Are All These Trump Supporters?, by George Saunders

    NYTimes: Can Trump Save Their Jobs? They're Counting on It, by Nelson Schwartz

    Where is all this anger coming from? It's viral, and Trump is Typhoid Mary. Intellectually and emotionally weakened by years of steadily degraded public discourse, we are now two separate ideological countries, LeftLand and RightLand, speaking different languages, the lines between us down. Not only do our two subcountries reason differently; they draw upon non-intersecting data sets and access entirely different mythological systems.


    As of 5:00 p.m. EST today (11/12/16), ... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:04:24 PM EST
    ... Hillary Clinton leads the nationwide count by 574,064 votes. Huffington Post continues to update the tally state by state and in real time, as city / county clerks report their additional results from absentee and provisional balloting.

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    California, (none / 0) (#88)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:34:44 PM EST
    went Democratic with 61.5 percent of voters choosing Mrs. Clinton--the highest percentage for a Democratic presidential nominee since the re-election of President Roosevelt, in 1936 (NYTimes, Nov 12).

     I am not convinced that the reason those "rust belt" states (WI, MI,PA) found their way into the Trump column is because the Democratic Party ignored the plight of the white working class men and the undefined concerns of white suburban women.

     Just as these voters were reluctant to tell pollsters their true feelings, so too, are people and pundits (e.g. Michael Moore, Tweety) reluctant to candidly assess these voters' romance with Trump.  Unless, the primary issues are honestly ferreted out and diagnosed, the Democratic Party will be applying the wrong or an inappropriate remedy.  

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    That's likely because they are incapable ... (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:05:30 PM EST
    ... of any serious assessment outside their own frame of reference. Both Michael Moore and Chris Matthews tend to buy wholesale into the romanticized notion of the struggles endured by the white working class, as though the plight of working class people of color has somehow been less stressful.

    And that in itself is an example of the latent racism that's endured on an almost daily basis by the non-white community in this country. Neither Moore nor Matthews are overtly racist in the classic sense of the term, and when confronted by overt racism, they do speak out against it. But otherwise, their attitude toward people of color is one of benign neglect.

    As far as what's happening in California, where Trumpism has been substantively, definitively and overwhelmingly rejected by that state's electorate and tossed out on its ear, the east coast media and Beltway political establishment is similarly guilty of benign neglect.

    That dismissive attitude is very foolish, because although it's 2,500 miles away from the power centers on the mid-Atlantic seaboard and has often been the butt of everybody's jokes back there, California is nevertheless the largest state in the union and home to one in eight Americans, and further represents the world's 5th largest economy. In so many respects, California is the country's political and economic bellwether. You ignore its trendlines at your own risk.

    Aloha.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:29:31 PM EST
    And, some of those white people do not believe that they are, in any way, racist. They feel about "those people" not on race, but because they "know how they are," or they register stereotypic characterizations and deny that is being racist, just offering truth.  

    As for California, maybe the way forward for the Democratic Party is to look to California, which is likely ahead of the curve.

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    There were (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:20:45 PM EST
    Some really bad underlying signs for the future of the GOP even here where the most republican area in the state flipped blue

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    The referenced (none / 0) (#85)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 04:17:37 PM EST
    article, "Whee the Democrats Go From Here," by Bernie Sanders, did not, in my reading, shed any new light.   His op-ed was a reiteration of his campaign stump speech and a restatement of the Democratic platform on which he campaigned with Secretary Clinton (infrastructure, "create" millions of well paying jobs, raise the minimum wage, help college students, expand social security, reform an economic system that makes billionaires pay taxes.)

      Sanders does say that he will continue his "revolution"  and, in the future, provide reforms to reinvigorate the Democratic Party.  The Democratic Party surely needs suggestions on where it goes from here.  And, how it gets  there.

     But, it seems to me that there is less here than meets the eye for new directions, tactics and strategies for the Democratic Party.  The article does, however, make me wonder if Senator Sanders plans to, once again, join the Democratic Party, or offer an Alexis de Tocqueville-like perspective.


    'I'm not giving up, and neither should you.' (none / 0) (#106)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 05:23:46 AM EST
    The "Saturday Night Live" cold open nailed it again tonight, only in an unexpected and touching way that literally moved me to tears.

    Eschewing comedy for the moment in light of Tuesday's political tragedy, Kate McKinnon reprised her Hillary Clinton persona for perhaps the final time in an exquisite valedictory tribute to our Democratic nominee, sitting alone on a dimly lit stage, playing a grand piano and singing the late Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah." It was one of the most elegant and beautiful moments I've ever seen on SNL, and one which clearly reflected the somber mood of half our nation.

    Bravo, Ms. McKinnon, and thank you.

    And of course, bravo Leonard (none / 0) (#119)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 12:13:40 PM EST
    hopefully this moment is an unseen new crack through which a flood of light will enter the people's hearts and minds.

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    Mr. Cohen's death last Monday ... (none / 0) (#129)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 03:14:04 PM EST
    ... lent an added poignancy to Kate McKinnon's performance last night, which transcended and elevated her previously satirical (and often hilarious) caricature of Mrs. Clinton to an entirely unexpected and wondrous level. In but three short yet wondrous minutes, she succinctly conveyed the core essence of the woman's humanity, and gave voice to the raw pain many of us are feeling right now. Not surprisingly, it's quickly and deservedly gone viral on social media.

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    I am keeping up (none / 0) (#123)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 01:03:47 PM EST
    And you believe everything in the news?  

    Stop the insults.  

    My values (none / 0) (#124)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 01:07:52 PM EST
    are completely different than yours.  You add nothing of value here--nothing but tired GOP talking points.  

    Just go away.  

    If these guys (none / 0) (#125)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 02:15:10 PM EST
    couldn't blow off steam online, they'd be out stalking Planned Parenthood workers and Sikhs that they mistook for Al Queda.

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    Well (none / 0) (#126)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 02:20:53 PM EST
    Certainly wouldn't be damaging the private property of small store owners, closing off traffic, setting fires and assaulting police

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    Sounds like (none / 0) (#127)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 02:30:18 PM EST
    Cliven Bundy.  

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    You sure about that? (none / 0) (#139)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 01:02:56 PM EST
    I don't see how you could be.

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