Media Rakes Don Jr. Over the Coals

By Jeralyn, Section Media
Posted on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 04:00:13 PM EST
Tags: Donald Trump, Jr. (all tags)

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This is Time Magazine's cover this week featuring Donald Trump, Jr. Check out the larger version and the white writing on it.

Here's a funny article from the UK Independent comparing him to "Fredo" Corleone.

Shepard Smith has long been one of the few news anchors/talk show hosts I enjoy watching (and listening to in the car.) This rant against the Trump Camp for its "lies after lies" and his take on Donald Trump, Jr.'s evolving explanations of the Russian meeting is making the rounds. It's one of his best. Media Matters has the transcript.
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Last but not least, here's the New Yorker cover. The New Yorker also explains the grammar behind the proper punctuation of Donald Trump, Jr.,'s name.

I can't help but wonder who threw Donald Trump, Jr. to the media wolves?

Added: See this article at TASS, the official Russia News Agency, denying any knowledge of the lawyer or supposed former military intelligence official at the meeting.

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Long attention spans are so pc (5.00 / 4) (#8)
by jondee on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 09:08:05 PM EST

This description (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Nemi on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 06:05:47 AM EST

by Josh Marshall seems pretty accurate:

The Trumps are totally amoral and deeply stupid people. All appetite and greed.

Not that it doesn't seem to fit 'the Kushners' too.

wow (none / 0) (#1)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 04:52:57 PM EST

when they have lost FOX news it might be time to start thinking about a nice South American country with no extradition treaty.

one interesting bit in that FOX thing was when Chris Wallace gets in that little bit about the VP being "hung out to dry". thats a pretty forgiving assessment of Pences involvment in the Flynn affair. being informed, as he was, again and again and again and doing nothing as head of the transition.

the king is dead. long live the king.

: also (none / 0) (#2)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 05:31:58 PM EST

as far as 'who threw him to the wolves', i would say if Don Jr is Fredo Jared is definitely Michael.

Re proper punctuation: (none / 0) (#3)
by oculus on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 06:02:17 PM EST

"Edmund Gerald Brown Jr."

Before this scandal, I don't remember anything (none / 0) (#4)
by McBain on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 07:21:31 PM EST

Don Jr. said or did. I know he tweeted a few things but I didn't really pay attention. Now that's changed. I made it through 5 minutes of his interview on Hannity, which is a long time for me to watch anyone being interviewed. I don't know if he was telling the truth but I thought he came across well.

If this scandal doesn't take Jr. down I could see him having an interesting political future. Maybe someday he'll run against Chelsea Clinton or fellow slicked-back hair man, Gavin Newsom.

thats pretty remarkable (5.00 / 3) (#6)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 07:44:01 PM EST

i dont know what to say except you really really should pay attention.


At one point... (none / 0) (#10)
by desertswine on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 10:02:42 PM EST

Trumpino was considering running for mayor of NYC. But he had forgotten how everyone in NY hates him and his father.

Asked for comment on the possibility of de Blasio facing off against Trump Jr., Hizzoner�s campaign spokesman said: �It�s a free country, and assuming his dad loses it will still be in 2017.�

: That's certainly not going to happen now. (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 04:26:53 PM EST

The Trump and Kushner families now stand as living testimonials to the corruptive and corrosive effects of inherited wealth.

: Guy's like Trump Jr (none / 0) (#16)
by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 01:14:54 PM EST

usually start out doing something 'un-pc' like presiding over a crooked nursing home empire in South Florida, or putting all that hair gel to use by winning the Lousiana governorship in a landslide..
Mayor of NYC is definately a bridge too far for someone like him.

Well, you no longer have to worry about ... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 07:20:44 AM EST

... whether or not Junior was telling the truth to Hannity that night. As subsequent revelations revealed, he wasn't.


Yeah (none / 0) (#5)
by FlJoe on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 07:33:04 PM EST

"Vote for Junior, you don't know if he's telling the truth...but who cares." Is one hell of a campaign slogan


i agree (none / 0) (#19)
by linea on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 02:21:18 PM EST

I thought he came across well.

i heard an excerpt from that interview on radio and he did come across well.

my understanding is that he has been active with those in the nra leadership for years and has formed relationships with republican politicians. last year, i suspected trump's republican primary run was actualy to provide "the trumps" visibility as a political family dynasty (in the manner of the clintons) and the real beneficiary was intended to be his son. that was my theory.

i believe that aspiration, on a practical level, may be over now.


: The Clintons are hardly a dynasty, linea. (5.00 / 4) (#27)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 05:03:57 PM EST

Bill and Hillary are a true political power couple, not unlike Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt in the first half of the 20th century. Each has respectively garnered influence in his and her own right. But as of right now, Chelsea shows little inclination to follow in her parents' footsteps. So they are not a dynasty by definition.
(Most people don't realize that due to her prestigious legal career, Hillary was actually better known nationally of the two in the early 1980s, even though Bill was governor of Arkansas. Even in Arkansas, she was widely recognized as a true power behind the throne. They are both extraordinarily gifted intellectually, and theirs is a symbiotic relationship. And that's what makes the Clintons such a potent -- and feared -- political team.)
To become a true dynasty, political power must transcend several generations. Examples of political dynasties in this country are the Adams, Roosevelt, Kennedy-Fitzgerald and Bush-Walker families, in which various members of successive generations have held elective and appointive office.
With respect to the Kennedys, their political power has spanned five generations and over 100 years; with the Bushes, four generations and 80 years. And one could argue that the Brown and Hahn families in California have been local political dynasties as well, although with respect to the Browns, their run will end next year when the childless Jerry Brown retires as California governor at age 80.
Aloha.

its to hot to go outside here (none / 0) (#7)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 07:54:51 PM EST

i spent the whole afternoon reading. there really does seem to be a shift happening in the coverage of this story. that FOX video is a great example. this really seems to have torn away the fig leaf. everything they have ever said about anything is being re-examined. by everyone it seems.

this was an interesting thought from POLITICO-

Shafer's law of political scandals dictates that the greater number of participants in a scandal, the greater the likelihood that the thing will crumple under its own weight and collapse on its creators. The week brought several new characters into the Trump Kowtower saga, perhaps enough to test its load-bearing walls as journalists and government investigators fully examine their backgrounds and connections to Russia.

Perhaps (none / 0) (#9)
by FlJoe on Sat Jul 15, 2017 at 09:43:28 PM EST

Shafer's law was valid in a Newtonian world we are moving at relatavistic speeds now. It always seems that by the next revelation and "shift" in the coverage will cause this radioactive dung heap to go critical, but no matter how much sludge is piled on, we never quite get there.

What is there anyway? Impeachment? Resignation? Indictment? 25th amendment? All of them are possible but for various reasons none of them seem likely in the near term.

Maybe if he loses Fox he goes further off the edge into 25th territory or his poll numbers become so dismal that the Republicans start calling for his ouster. In any case there will be no quick final collapse, at least not in tRump or his true believers world. I could easily see Bannon and the sons and plenty of other close to the President urging a bunker mentality that could conceivably last for years .


: Sadly (none / 0) (#13)
by Lora on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 08:18:27 AM EST

You may be right.

: i dunno (none / 0) (#20)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 02:43:43 PM EST

everyone says "years". but it seems like this is picking up speed. in a major way. and there is a growing chorus urging Mueller to move with all haste for the sake of the security of the republic. i dont think this will convince him to move before "its soup" but
my gut tells me there could be indictments by the fall. maybe not super high level indictments yet but charges filed.

Don jr.---- (none / 0) (#14)
by KeysDan on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 10:19:00 AM EST

there were just 4, but nothing came of the meeting; there were just 5, but nothing came of the meeting; there were just 6, but nothing came of the meeting; there were just 7, but nothing came of the meeting; there were just 8...but nothing came of the meeting.
Why don't you people believe that nothing came of the meeting. (the way the count is going, more people may have been at the meeting than at the inaugural.)

The Trump campaign paid Don jr.'s lawyer two weeks in advance of the meeting being revealed.

i thought it would be interesting (none / 0) (#15)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 12:37:58 PM EST

to record the sunday shows today. i just scanned.

Jay Sekulow was on all of them. the harshest and most aggressive questioning he got, by far, was on FOX news.

i think FOX has decided they are ready to enable President Pence.


Sounds right (none / 0) (#17)
by Lora on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 01:40:56 PM EST

i think FOX has decided they are ready to enable President Pence.

: of course (none / 0) (#21)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 02:57:46 PM EST

it might also have to do with the fact MSNBC is kicking their azz. wed Rachel and Lawerence were 1 & 2 on cable and 8 & 9 across all tv including networks.

It is all Obama's fault (none / 0) (#18)
by MKS on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 01:51:55 PM EST

According to Jay Sekulow, Cheeto's lawyer, the Secret Service should never have allowed the meeting to take place or the Russians into Trump Tower.

Too twisted to be funny.

But the base'll believe it. After all, we are dealing with people who do not believe in climate change or the Theory of Evolution. Facts don't matter.

Protecting the biosphere (none / 0) (#22)
by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 03:40:51 PM EST

is a socialist conspiracy. "Green is red". I ran into one of those d*ckheads just the other day, sorry to say. They walk among us. And they vote.


from reuters: (none / 0) (#23)
by linea on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 03:58:48 PM EST

Secret Service denies vetting Trump Jr. meeting
The U.S. Secret Service denied a suggestion from President Donald Trump's personal lawyer that it vetted a meeting between the president's son and Russian nationals during the 2016 presidential campaign.

So Trump's "personal lawyer" (none / 0) (#25)
by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 04:27:35 PM EST

Vinnie Boombatz, lied. What a shock.

Well, you know the Secret Service: they're all grandstanding nutjobs, right? Fire 'em all.


: Don jr. and Jared (none / 0) (#26)
by KeysDan on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 04:59:00 PM EST

did not have Secret Service protection at the time of the meeting; but they would add coverage if Candidate Trump was nearby, such as being in or near the meeting room.

We've now reached the stage where ... (none / 0) (#28)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 05:39:30 PM EST

... Trumpeteers argue that for all the Trump family's good intentions, they and their advisors were simply too ignorant of the law to know any better, and all are therefore wholly deserving of a mulligan.

As for myself, I'd offer that Schittshows like these are what happen when unbridled greed, ego and arrogance collide with infinite ignorance and pervasive stupidity.

Aloha.


i dont think thats it at all (none / 0) (#29)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 05:53:01 PM EST

im thinkin you dont know many Trumpeteers. i do. the ones i know would never say they were "too ignorant". or ignorant at all. they think what he is doing, to the extent they know or understand what he is doing, is just fine.

they actually dont care about the many smashed customs and accepted rules of behaviour. they dont care at all. if you ask them they will tell you, many of them - not all in my experience, they knew exactly who and what he was and they love what he is doing.

as someone just said in another thread a lot of it is about sticking it to us. liberals. the more we squeal the happier they are.

it even has a name. anti-anti-Trump. as long as we hate it they love it. the thing i hear is "why wont they just let him do his job"?

i am of the opinion that once these people really begin to understand what has happened , that it is not the "witch hunt" made up by the "fake news" they have been told by Trump for months, once they actually understand something at least very close to treason has been committed, lots of them will turn. not all of them for sure. i would say probably 10-15%.

that gets him into the 20s and Nixon territory.


Pretty please, Howdy, your comments and (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Peter G on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 07:15:15 PM EST

insights are so good, please don't adopt "linea-style" capitalization and punctuation. (I.e., none.) It gives me a headache.


adopt? (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 07:19:09 PM EST

i was doing it long before that one showed up.

I will try. No promises.

the thing is, I got so tired of spellcheck putting words in my mouth i turned it off. on one of my wireless devices. thats the only reason capitalization comes an goes.


Remember the commentor (none / 0) (#34)
by oculus on Mon Jul 17, 2017 at 12:56:00 AM EST

who jammed everything into one really long paragraph?


Hah... (none / 0) (#35)
by desertswine on Mon Jul 17, 2017 at 12:11:32 PM EST

Remember the guy who wrote everything in sort of a Texas cowboy drawl? Tex, I think is what he called himself; very creative but real annoying to read after a while. Shucks, pard'ner.


Big Tex! (none / 0) (#37)
by kdog on Mon Jul 17, 2017 at 02:12:39 PM EST

I liked him too.


: Yeah he sounded like (none / 0) (#38)
by jondee on Mon Jul 17, 2017 at 03:18:26 PM EST

Sam Elliot's narrator/character in Lebowski.
The whole durn human species perpetuatin' itself down through the ages..

Fred Dawes? (none / 0) (#36)
by kdog on Mon Jul 17, 2017 at 02:12:20 PM EST

I liked him.


: I've repressed he user id. (none / 0) (#39)
by oculus on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 11:27:08 PM EST

From your llips (5.00 / 2) (#32)
by Yman on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 07:44:55 PM EST

I'm wondering what it will take to get them to this point of realization. People don't like to admit they've been duped. I'm wondering if it's just a matter of enough time passing before they're willing to face at least a touch of reality, or if they will never get there.


It doesn't matter what ... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 16, 2017 at 09:21:27 PM EST

... what Trumpeteers believe themselves to be. That they might even see Trump as the second coming of Abraham Lincoln doesn't therefore make it so. Rather, what matters most of all at this juncture is what WE perceive them to be, and to therefore act accordingly.

And speaking for myself personally, I'm all out of fcks to give about them at this point, and so it matters not the slightest bit to me what they think. I see them as a major part of the problem, and the only way to resolve that problem is to marginalize their toxic presence politically, the way we did to the GOP here in Hawaii and in California.

I've decided that it's not my place to either save these unctuously self-righteous jackwagons from themselves, or to protect them from the disastrous consequences of having pandered once too often to their own increasingly gnarly prejudices, and having acted time and again upon their own worst fears and instincts.

So, I'm sorry, but if tens of thousands of your fellow Arkansans lose their healthcare coverage because Mitch McConnell manages to jam a bill through the Senate while Tom Cotton rolls over and plays dead, it's because they themselves voted for it with their eyes wide open. Part of growing and maturing is learning from one's mistakes. And some people apparently need to learn their lessons the hard way -- repeatedly.

You and I are not the enemy, yet we're being treated by these know-nothings as though we are. At some point, they'll create a self-fulfilling prophecy, and discover to their ultimate regret that the greatest foe in battle is the man who first does his very best to avoid the confrontation.