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Today President Bush reaffirmed his support for Pakistani President Musharraf:

President Bush yesterday offered his strongest support of embattled Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying the general "hasn't crossed the line" and "truly is somebody who believes in democracy."

But of course. Anyway, remember this?

mentioned Dr. Shazia briefly in June when I wrote about General Musharraf's quasi-kidnapping and house arrest of Mukhtaran Bibi - the Pakistani rape victim who used compensation money to open schools and start a women's aid group.

And another of our major allies:

A Saudi court on Tuesday more than doubled the number of lashes that a female rape victim was sentenced to last year after her lawyer appealed the original sentence. . . . Her case has been widely debated since the court sentenced her to 90 lashes a year ago for being in the same car as an unrelated man, even after it ruled that she had subsequently been raped. For a woman to be in seclusion with a man who is not her husband or a relative is a crime in Saudi Arabia, whose legal code is based on a strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islamic law.

They hate us for our freedoms.

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    Musharaff is Darth Cheney's wet dream come true. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kindness on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:32:49 PM EST
    Let's see....suspend the Constitution, fire half the Supreme Court (just before they were set to hand down a decision against you), jail half the country's lawyers and most the political opposition leaders, and schedule and run for an election while your opponents are either jailed or exhiled.

    Yea, David Addington could not ask for better than that.

    But I gotta wonder...What would Musharaff have to do to cross dubya's line?

    What would Musharaff have to do? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:50:54 PM EST
    Resign and allow fair elections.

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    The US should demand (dubya never will though) (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kindness on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:52:45 PM EST
    1) Musharaff re-instate the Supreme Court Justices he sacked.

    2)Musharaff free all his political opponents.

    3)Musharaff free all the lawyers.

    4)Musharaff agree to abide by the ruling handed down by the Supreme Court which was that his election had been unconstitutional.

    5) New, free & fair elections.

    We'll never see it though.  We are going to see the fall of the Shah of Iran all over again, except this time with a nuclear powered Pakistan.  Chalk this up to another case of political expediency trumping what is in the US's (and Pakistans) long term interests.

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    I think you're right. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:29:14 PM EST
    It almost an exact parallel to the bumbling fu*kups by the CIA in Iran that led to the revolution there in the 70's, isn't it?
    Operation Ajax was hatched--the brainchild of the CIA's Middle East chief, Kermit Roosevelt, who directed it from Tehran.
    ...
    The restoration of the shah to the Peacock Throne engendered immense hostility toward the United States and had cataclysmic consequences. The revolutionary torrent that built up was ultimately too much for even the United States to handle. By the late 1970s the shah and his poor record on human rights had become so repugnant to the State Department under Cyrus Vance that almost any alternative was deemed preferable to the shah's rule. But the shah had his defenders at the Pentagon and on the National Security Council who still thought he was important to regional stability and who favored his taking decisive action to restore order. President Carter at first was ambivalent. U.S. policy evolved from a suggestion that the shah gradually relinquish power to a call for him to leave the country. On January 16, 1979, the shah, as he had in 1953, took leave of his country--this time for good.(43)

    When the monarchy was finally overthrown in the 1978-79 revolution, which was inspired by Islamic fundamentalism and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iranians held Americans hostage for over a year at the U.S. embassy in Tehran, and the United States suffered a humiliating repudiation of its foreign policy in the Middle East.

    The neocons never learn. They keep ignoring history thinking that they will somehow be able to dominate the world and that if only they'll keep making the same idiotic mistakes long enough, regardless of how many people die, they'll get lucky some day.

    Idiots.



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    Looks Like He Will Resign (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by squeaky on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:51:09 PM EST
    From the military and allow parliamentary elections in January.

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf could quit as chief of the army and take oath as a civilian president by Saturday, a senior official said.

    Meeting another key demand of his U.S. sponsors and domestic opponents, another official said authorities had freed almost all of the thousands of people rounded up under emergency law.

    The Supreme Court is expected to clear the last legal obstacles to Musharraf's continued rule as president on Thursday. The Election Commission can then confirm his victory in a disputed October presidential election.

    Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Musharraf would quickly quit his army post and be sworn in for a new five-year term.

    ``It may happen on Saturday,'' Qayyum said. ``I know the president, and he will honor his commitment.''

    Guardian

    Do you think the people of Pakistan (none / 0) (#5)
    by kindness on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:55:41 PM EST
    will be placated by this?  They know the new Supreme Court is filled with Musharaff's puppets.  Their decisions don't mean squat to the people.

    It's the US they are going to be pissed at, and they don't think very highly of us right now to begin with.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:16:36 PM EST

    Do you think the people of Pakistan will be placated by this?

    Placated may be too strong a word but I do think that the people will go for it.

    Doubt that this is anything like the fall of the Shah though. Most likely Bhutto will be PM in January and Sharif will come back in some form or another.

    Musharraf was due to visit Saudi Arabia this week, the Foreign Ministry said, after the News daily said it had "credible reports" he would meet exiled opposition leader Nawaz Sharif there, fuelling speculation the general might be seeking a deal.

    But Sharif later said he would not meet Musharraf, who deposed him eight years ago and sent him into exile.

    Reuters

    For more about how Pakistan is not like Iran see Manan Ahmed and Barnett Rubin

     

    These [tribal] areas are ripe for political leadership that would oppose both the militants -- absorbing many of the youths they are recruiting -- and military rule. But creating conditions for such leadership to develop would require not sending in the military to bomb and shell the tribes, but legalizing political parties and social organizations (which are outlawed in the tribal agencies) and enabling the people of the tribal agencies to exercise self-government. Rather than give up its own power, the military balances the militants and the weakened tribes.

    Only a transition toward more democratic civilian rule would create a constituency that would enable the Pakistani state not just to suppress militants by force but to offer a legitimate alternative to militancy.



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    From the Presidency? No way, I think. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:31:55 PM EST
    But he might be forced out. And that may be what Cheney and Bush and the neocons want to happen, in spite of all their protestations to the contrary.

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    "They Hate Us For Our Freedoms?" (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 06:54:20 PM EST
    That would be what Iraqis are thinking while trying to take their country back from their occupiers, no?

    Tell us again about the terrorists killing (1.00 / 1) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 10:05:57 AM EST
    Iraqi civilians.

    Posted by edger at December 4, 2005 08:12 AM

    (I had written)Insurgents don't use car bombs to kill civilians or give booby trapped dolls to children. That is terrorist work, edgey

    (Edger replied) That is not "terrorist work" in the way you try to twist it to mean, at all. It is the work of the Iraqi people - the very people BushCo thought would throw flowers - fighting to kick the US out of Iraq

    So let us get this straight. In order to throw us out you believe that terrorist should be killing innocent Iraqi men, women and children.

    That is, of course, beyond dumb.

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    Again? Why? (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 10:50:16 AM EST
    You couldn't comprehend it last time.

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    heh (1.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:08:06 PM EST
    I hope one of your neighbors doesn't zap you because he is mad at the guy who lives next door.

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    There are no wingnuts (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:11:36 PM EST
    among my neighbors.

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    I understand. (1.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:30:15 PM EST
    What wingnut, as nutty as they are, would want to live near you in Moonbatville...???

    So, now that we know there are no wingnuts there, just you moonbats, I am even more concerned about one of your neighbors deciding to terrify the others into submission by attacking you.

    I urge you to take defensive actions immediately!!

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    Well, let me see..... (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:33:56 PM EST
    Repubs are idiots.. so sayeth Big Tent, Jondee, edger, squeaky....

    Well that sure settles it for me. Yes sir. No doubt.
    Boy, that sure saves us a lot of thinking..

    Thanks guys!!

    BTW - Given that the Clinton admin never solved the Pakistan problem in 8 years, and given that the evileeeeee Repubs ....make that evil stupid Repubs.. at least got some cooperation, I wonder... does that make the Demos stupider than the idiot Repubs???

    Now excuse me. I gotta put the Inquirer down...

    Solving the Pakistan problem (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:42:21 PM EST
    I didn't realize it was his job to solve the problems of a foreign nation and its people.  The subtext implicit in your comment is part of the arrogance problem from which we continue to suffer.  

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    Really???? hehe (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 06:40:49 PM EST
    RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.

    Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan. And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.

    So the wonderbar Clinton admin never solved the problem, instead leaving it to Bush. Who, at least, managed to get Pakistan to let us use their facilities.

    Perfect? No. Better than what they had? Yes.

    Musharra may be a tyrant, but he appears to be on our side. I know that the Left is not interested in supporting anyone that supports us, but it wouldn't hurt to a least pretend to want us to win.

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    Reading your own comments (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:46:42 PM EST
    should have settled it for you years ago. Found anyone stupid enough to think you make sense yet? Except the odd republican?

    The intelligent republicans, the not odd ones, distanced themselves from you a long time ago.

    It's no surprise you haven't noticed, though.

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    The Pakistan Problem? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by squeaky on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:19:17 PM EST
     Interesting choice of words, ppj. Sounds like code for the Muslim problem distinctly similar to the Jewish problem.  

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    Pre-emptive Projection. (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:20:57 PM EST
    He means solving "The Wingnut Problem"

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    Simple (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by squeaky on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:23:40 PM EST
    Just spin the nuts counterclockwisw and off they fly.

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    They do that all by themselves, don't they? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:28:20 PM EST
    No zippo required. ;)

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    You mean like this??? (1.00 / 2) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 06:46:11 PM EST
    Title goes here (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:46:15 AM CST
    .....  The most entertaining thing Rove could do is self-immolate on TV, with Kos handing him the Zippo. </metaphor>


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    No, ppj. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 07:04:09 PM EST
    More like what you do to yourself here multiple times every day.

    Self-immolation. No zippo required.

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    Exploding Head Syndrome (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by squeaky on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:20:08 PM EST
    More like what you do to yourself here multiple times every day.


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    Ummm.... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:25:51 PM EST
    Exploded Head Syndrome? ;-)

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    That As Well (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by squeaky on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:28:19 PM EST
    Got ya (1.00 / 2) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:38:21 PM EST
    Anyone imagining someone burning alive as entertainment needs counseling and a dose of anger management help.

    Make that a large does.

    Keep on defining yourself.

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    You keep (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:46:25 PM EST
    saying the same stupid thing.

    Why? Everyone knows you are totally out to lunch <metaphor>.

    Pathetic.

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    He's a troll. It's what he does. (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:52:06 PM EST
    He doesn't care, at all, how much of how often he is ridiculed.

    At all.

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    Troll is right. (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:07:55 PM EST
    He's like someone poking you in the arm with their finger over and over and over and over and over thinking he's funny or something.

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    Good description. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 04:38:51 AM EST
    I used to think he was smarter than he appears, and that he was doing what he does on purpose to deflect and try to force discussion away from the issues at hand as part of an obfuscation and propaganda campaign.

    Now though I think he does do it on purpose, but only because he simply isn't capable of any better.

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    Of course I ignore you. (1.00 / 1) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 10:14:50 AM EST
    Not only do you have nothing to say and never try and engage in a debate, your stated goal is to squelch free speech and run anyone who disagrees with you off. In your own words:

    First of all, (none / 0) (#67)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 03:18:25 PM EST

    Do we offer them respect? Absolutely not. We do our best to marginalize and get rid of them.

    That is the same mentality that screams down speakers and runs on stage to interrupt them. That is just so anti-democracy it is hard to believe that anyone would not admit to it, but actually brag about it.

    There is no difference between many on the Left and the Far right. They are just on opposite sides of the same coin.


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    Opposite sides of the same coin... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 12:19:31 PM EST
    Then you have a choice of which side you are going to be on.

    You can support idiots like Gonzales and their dark, ugly, mean spirited, fearful and evil fantasies of torture being excusable.

    Or not.

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    I know you want to forget (1.00 / 1) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 09:50:58 AM EST
    about what you have written, but you wrote what you wrote.

    Enjoy.

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    Since (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by tnthorpe on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 01:37:17 PM EST
    you know that I'm not going to find your moronic rantlets at all valuable, why continue to post them? You've been confusing a tart and pleasant metaphor with the desire to actually see someone harmed, which is simply stupid. Your failure has been repeatedly pointed out and yet you continually return to your burning non-issue, which I fear means there's been some Pavlovian training in your recent life. You're not engaged in dialogue; you're just whining that other people speak their minds in a way and with ideas you don't share. Too bad for you. Move On, as we on the LEFT might say (if there were such a thing).

    How about you try to stay on topic in the future? How about you not twist words, misrepresent ideas, or maim complex arguments? I get that you're a 24/7 Bush supporter, good luck with that and all, but the level of argument you're bringing to the table isn't doing them much good. It cracks me up a lot, so if you like making the LEFT laugh, please continue, you're doing a great job there Brown--oops, PPJ.

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    You wrote what you wrote (1.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:23:17 PM EST
    You've been confusing a tart and pleasant metaphor with the desire to actually see someone harmed, which is simply stupid

    Repack's comment was:

    Title goes here (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:46:15 AM CST

    I look forward to Kos and Rove in a debate.  The most entertaining thing Rove could do is self-immolate on TV, with Kos handing him the Zippo. </metaphor>

    The fact is that Repack wrote what he wrote. I find it impossible to believe your claim that it was all just in fun. He may have called it a metaphor, but the reference was to a very violent act, yet you claim to find the comment the "tart and entertaining."

    BTW - As for staying on topic, you can follow the thread back and see that it was Squeaky's and then edger's smear/personal attack on my rather lenhthy comment re Pakistan that you then joined into that elected the various responses.

    Try not to act in such a manner and I certainly won't respond in such. Act like a nasty 9 year old  and I will. Depend on it.

    And I will use your own words.

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    What (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by tnthorpe on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:34:12 PM EST
    you find impossible is called reality.

    It seems pretty clear that any response to you is wasted.

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    One more time (1.00 / 2) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 03:37:50 PM EST
    and just for grins...

    The words used by Rdepack were meant to picture Rove burning.... He claimed a metaphor, but I immediately said no. It isn't a metaphor... And instead of the violent reference, why didn't he say something like

    Markos demonstrating Rove's lack of intelligence.

    The fact is that he wanted to use burning, and he did. That you find the thought of Rove burning entertaining is disturbing.

    That you fail to understand that is even more so.

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    You (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by tnthorpe on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 04:04:07 PM EST
    go ahead and think what you need to think.

    You can think the earth is flat and post about it every 5 minutes for all I care.

    Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!

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    Deny and deny (1.00 / 1) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 06:51:05 PM EST
    The picture invoked was one of violence.

    Why??

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    ROFLMAO (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by tnthorpe on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 07:05:52 PM EST
    You go on with your crusade against ...
    well, not at all sure what it is you're on about.

    But you go get 'em tiger!!!!!

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    Sysiphus (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by squeaky on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 04:41:15 PM EST
    Instead of pushin a rock up a hill ppj's head is constantly exploding because he can't distinguish between literary fantasy and intent to do harm to another human being.

    Visualize this metaphor: ppj's head exploding. Surprise surprise no brains, just a pile of horse pucky and a broken record. Oh he survives only to play the broken record again, and once again his head explodes.


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    Once called himself a salesman. (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 04:50:50 PM EST
    That explained a lot.

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    Doesn't close many deals here.... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 04:54:42 PM EST
    He's the only one buying what he tries to sell.

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    If the goal is to get attention, (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 05:03:54 PM EST
    its working quite well.

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    There are better ways. (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 05:31:03 PM EST
    BW Squeaky (1.00 / 1) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 06:53:35 PM EST
    also wants to get into the violence business. He wants to invoke images of my head "exploding."

    hehe

    You fellows are defining yourselves quite well, thank you.

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    Jim, this horse is dead (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 05:54:03 PM EST
    Your claim that I suggested that Karl Rove be burned alive is moronic.  Apparently you are unaware that a "metaphor" is not a literal statement.  Tagging the sentence with </metaphor> didn't even penetrate.

    I learned about metaphors in eighth grade. You should go back to your old school and demand your parents' tax money back.  Then you should punch your old teacher in the nose for failing you so badly.

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    The problem surfaces again in (1.00 / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 06:48:14 PM EST
    this statement.

    Then you should punch your old teacher in the nose for failing you so badly.

    Why the images of violence?


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    No doubt it's a wingnut thing (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:43:17 PM EST
    under Bush 41 and Clinton there were sanctions on both India and Pakistan, with Pakistan's being more onerous, for their explosion of atomic weapons.  Clinton's second administration eased some restrictions  in an attempt to influence Pakistan (Musharraf's coup occuring in 1999) and push Pakistan toward renewed democratization.

    As an ally in Bush's endless GWOT, Pakistan has had billions thrown at it, to very limited effect. Musharraf is part of the no-dictator-left-behind-as-long-as-they-give-lipservice-to-the-endless-GWOT program. Pakistan's ISI has Taliban ties that have never been completely abandoned.
    As the good folk at TPM have it:
    In fact, however, a considerable amount of the money the U.S. gives to Pakistan is administered not through U.S. agencies or joint U.S.-Pakistani programs. Instead, the U.S. gives Musharraf's government about $200 million annually and his military $100 million monthly in the form of direct cash transfers. Once that money leaves the U.S. Treasury, Musharraf can do with it whatever he wants. He needs only promise in a secret annual meeting that he'll use it to invest in the Pakistani people. And whatever happens as the result of Rice's review, few Pakistan watchers expect the cash transfers to end.

    About $10.58 billion has gone to Pakistan since 9/11. That puts Pakistan in an elite category of U.S. foreign-aid recipients: only Israel, Egypt and Jordan get more or comparable U.S. funding. (That's only in the unclassified budget: the covert-operations budget surely includes millions more, according to knowledgeable observers.) While Israel and Egypt get more money, Pakistan and Jordan are the only countries that get U.S. cash from four major funding streams: development assistance, security assistance, "budget support" and Coalition Support Funds. Pakistan, however, gets most of its U.S. assistance from Coalition Support Funds and from budget support. And it's those two funding streams that have minimal accountability at best.

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    That certainly wasn't the way (1.00 / 2) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 06:48:30 PM EST
    that Clinton's NSA saw it. See my response to dadler for what he told the wide wide world...

    Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy --

    You are just sooooooo easy.

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    Please (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 06:56:30 PM EST
    You clearly didn't read my post or its links. Stop wasting pixels. Stop repeating yourself. Just stop. You're just embarrasing yourself.

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    You'll have to ask Richard Clarke (1.00 / 1) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:06:34 PM EST
    he's the one who identified it.

    Of course you have nothing to say, so you just smear.

    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM

    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.



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    LOL (none / 0) (#7)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:00:17 PM EST
    Yup, I see Hillary dumping Saudi Arabia as an ally.

    So funny (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:47:08 PM EST
    how Republican always prove themselves idots at the mere drop of a hat.

    "They hate us for our freedoms." Think about it. Think about who said it.

    Man, Republicans are stupid.

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    More like oppurtunistic (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:02:58 PM EST
    creeps.

    The people that believe I-raq attacked us on 9/11 (50% +) and vote the Republicans in, are stupid.  

    Sorry to say.

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    You need (1.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:57:48 PM EST
    to chill.  

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    You need to think (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:44:11 PM EST