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    Conservapedia... (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:24:45 AM EST
    Wikipedia now has a rival.

    US Democratic party

    Wikipedia

    "The party advocates civil liberties, social freedoms, equal rights, equal opportunity, fiscal responsibility, and a free enterprise system tempered by government intervention."

    Conservapedia "The Democrat voting record reveals a true agenda of cowering to terrorism, treasonous anti-Americanism, and contempt for America's founding principles."

    Scary (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:01:07 PM EST
    They should be calling it Wingipedia:
    ...created last November as a project for home-schooled children - and believes it could eventually become a reference for teachers in the US. "It is rapidly becoming one of the largest and most reliable online educational resources of its kind,"

    Too bad Andy Schlafly's grandmother wasn't offered the morning after pill.

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    WTF? (none / 0) (#3)
    by profmarcus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:12:17 PM EST
    i'm beginning to despair about our democratic leadership ever getting their collective heads out of their collective asses...
       Lieberman, a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was tapped by the Democrats to deliver the party's weekly radio address.

    lieberman should be marginalized in every way possible, not given the spotlight and a bully pulpit... what ARE they smoking in those leadership caucus rooms, anyway...?

    And, yes, I DO take it personally

    don't despair (none / 0) (#4)
    by Deconstructionist on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:19:27 PM EST
      BTD declared Lieberman irrelevant a long time ago. As it's not possible that BTD has no clue and what he writes is often  drivel (just ask him), this must be just a mistake and he got an invitation theleadership intended for someone else..

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    They'll keep on with this kind of crap (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:37:28 PM EST
    as long as there are people like Lieberman and others doing everything they can to move the Democratic Party as far to the right as possible in their quest for power at any cost. The Party is being hijacked by the same trolls who hijacked the country in 2000.

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    Signed into law by Bush in December... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:30:39 PM EST
    A little-known initiative added to the recently-renewed Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Act will divert $60 million from the Center for Disease Control's HIV/AIDS prevention budget over the next three years into a fund for which no states actually qualify.
    Unbelievable. "Compassionate Conservatism" my a$$. How much more of this kind of sickness must the world put up with?

    Hasn't a cure for cancer of the attitude been found yet?

    Shift to the Right (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:37:14 PM EST

    WP: "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has tapped Eliot A. Cohen, a prominent writer on national security strategy and an outspoken critic of the administration's postwar occupation of Iraq, as her counselor, State Department officials said yesterday."


    War & Piece                        

    No he has not disavowed his association to PNAC, he is a signer. And even though he softened a bit because his son went to war, (A Hawk Questions Himself as His Son Goes to War,) he is still a serious warmonger. As for his critisicisms of this admin: they were  not tough enough. He is no fan of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, and a staunch supporter of Right Wing Israeli policies.

    His only <i>criticism</i> ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Sailor on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 02:05:54 PM EST
    ... was that the US didn't destroy iraq enough.

    Having Cohen 'advise' Condi and the State Department on Iraq and Afghanistan is like having Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad advise you on Israeli diplomatic relations!

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    Well, Al Gore decided to go commercial, (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:23:50 PM EST
    but he wasn't made to endure the security checks

    that the rest of us do. Although to someone's credit in the Nashville airport, he wound up having to.

    I hope the person calling him down has friends in high places, some money tucked away for a job search and prepared to endure what I am sure will be an attack from the Global Warming wackos...

    An airport officer assigned to escort Gore to his gate was to meet him at the security checkpoint, but Gore never came through, Lowrance said. The officer found Gore, his communications director Kalee Kreider and another staffer waiting at the gate for their flight.

    The officer asked them if they went through security, and when they said they hadn't, they were taken back and fully screened. Gore did not complain and cooperated fully, Lowrance said.

    "Everyone goes through security," she said of the employee's action. "It showed bad judgment. They were trying to be helpful, maybe too helpful."

    And then this:

    Kreider said Gore's staff usually notifies airports where he will be flying to make sure they know the former vice president will be coming through.

    "I was there, and we didn't know if standards had changed or what," she said. "There are different policies at different
    airports and you basically do what you're asked to do

    I wonder what she doesn't undersatnd about "everyone goes through security." And I wonder what airports have been letting him through without going through security?

    Twenty times national average on power consumpation, private jets to dump carbon d into the atmosphere, and when he does travel commercial, he doesn't know that he has to do through secutriy??

    And he lectures us? This guy is a hypocrite.

    Lame... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Deconstructionist on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:35:29 PM EST
      There is some merit to pointing out that gore is  hypocrite when it comes to preaching the benefits of environmental responsibility.

      Criticizing him for being passed through security is lame.

      Personally, I'd say it would improve security if someone who is a potential TARGET and not a potential threat was routed differently than everyone else.

      Frankly, if I'm riding on a plane with Gore, or some other person whose demise would be coup for terrorists, I'd just as soon he be whisked on to the plane in secret rather than having hs presence telegraphed  by waiting in security lines with me.

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    Even the (none / 0) (#10)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:40:49 PM EST
    pilots who flew him and everybody else had to go through security, but he should not?  Surely you must think the flight crews should be able to bypass security.

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    You might have a point (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 04:30:58 PM EST
    about the potential for danger, but the security check's are supposed to eliminate that.

    And I think having so-called "leaders" endure what the rest of us go through is always a good thing.

    Of course since I think Gore is a snit I may be enjoying his hypocritical demonstration too much.

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    Quick! Man the swiftboats! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Sailor on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 02:14:43 PM EST


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    Is Gore the whipping boy now or wot? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Electa on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 04:13:23 PM EST
    as my grands say, WOW what haters.  The man lives in spacious living quarters probably because he's a dignitary and frequently entertain and possibly for tax purposes or whatever.  He's a former vice prez. and security is an issue so he flies the friendly private skies.  When he tries to appease his critics and save face by going commerical he's tarred for not going through an unaccustomed security check.  This pettiness drives me insane.  Is he hypocritical?  IMO he's not, simply because I don't view Gore as the environmental messiah but rather an educator of the GW crisis...an awareness campaigner. It's the information that most concerns me...why sweat the petty mess?

    Just imagine how caricature it was watching that dude, can't remember his name, running around with Gore's utility bill waving it in front of a camera...talk about trickle down stupidity.  It's no wonder America is lying face down.  

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    Electa, Algore lives in a big house (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:45:34 PM EST
    because he wants it and can afford it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    But if you are going to lecture me, make sure you are living my kind of life. I am not in middle school, and you don't have the right to assume you are smarter than me.

    And based on Algore's statements, I'd have a real problem believeing he is smart. (From time to time I also have that problem when thinking about me.)

    And if he is a "teacher" I would hope that he will quit making such god awful incorrect statements.

    And if you don't know the ones I'm speaking of, please start studying here.

    As for his flying, I once flew from Portland, Ore to Denver with Jimmy Carter... We were both in coach on a UAL 727 around row 24- 25.... Those are miserable seats.. You know, I didn't like Carter then, or now, but he gained a measure of respect from me simply because he was saying that on a human basis we were equals. Algore is saying the opposite.

    BTW - I wonder why security wasn't an issue with Carter?? Security is as security does....eh??

    As for security, it is the law. Algore, or anyone else, should not be given a waiver. Period. That he evidently doesn't understand that is obvious. His ego has overcome his commonsense and just begs to be deflated.

    And that is why he lost the election. Including his so-called home state.

    Finally, to disagree with someone is not to hate them. You need to learn that, else people who are wrong, and who you disagree with, will shut you up  by claiming you hate them.

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    Lecture you? (none / 0) (#63)
    by Electa on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 05:26:36 PM EST
    Why would lecture you?  You're not that important to me and I could care less how you live.  I don't have a clue who and what you are so why would I "ASSUME" to be more intelligent than you?  I was stating my views agree with them or don't, that's your business.  You have you distinct views, opinions, interpretations, of the issues as does everyone on this board.  

    I've only been here for a few days and you've repeatedly launched personal attacks at commenters on this board who disagree with you...that typical pitbull mentality as demonstrated by neocons, you know the Ann Coulter, Hannity & Malkin style.  

    What I've seen relative to the displaying of Mr. Gore's utility bills is of no significance to me and yes, I view it as petty politics.  Kinda like trailer trash, you're familiar with that aren't you?  It's obvious you don't care for Gore and that's your right but don't get the a@# when others disagree with you..IT'S THEIR RIGHT.  Now be a good boy, sit, sit.

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    Electa (none / 0) (#68)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 07:02:32 PM EST
    You said that you consider Gore a teacher. My comment was directed towards that, not you.

    And I love your comebacK. So reasoned. I can tell you studied long and hard.


    Kinda like trailer trash, you're familiar with that aren't you?  

    Nope. But since you are using it as a put down, you must be.

    And yes, I'll disagree with you if I think you're wrong.

    And you might note that I use a lot of links.

    Speaking of links, did you use the one I gave you to the questions for Algore?

    Isn't that the important thing? How wrong is Algore about GW??

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    He's (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:43:51 PM EST
    probobly been bypassing security in order to smuggle Global Warming Wacko propaganda to be used to brainwash decent, God-fearin', Intelligent Design believin' Americans like you, Jim.

    Hannity's (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:46:38 PM EST
    been all over the airport-security-who-does-he-think-he-is thing. What choice do these guys have but to repeat it?

    An open letter to Jeralyn Merrit (none / 0) (#15)
    by Sailor on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 03:57:23 PM EST
    Your Comment Policy says "The comment space is reserved for comments that relate to the topic of the post" and that "Name-calling, personal attacks, [...]  will not be tolerated and will result in the deletion of the comment and the banning of the commenter's ISP address" yet you have continually allowed, for years, one commenter to break all those rules. Just in the last week:
    Jondee, do you even read the comment before (none / 0) (#25)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 05:53:03 PM EST

    you start spouting gibberish?
    *
    Jondoo (none / 0) (#12)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 05:11:57 PM EST

    Your inability to debate is marvelous.
    *    *
    squeak, che said he couldn't (none / 0) (#45)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 06:37:30 PM EST
    [...]
     All you did was try and smear. Well, we know you never let facts stand in your way.
    *    *
    electa (none / 0) (#34)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 07:43:46 PM EST

    If you can't keep up, make an excuse and drop out I say.
    **
    I really don't respond (1.00 / 1) (#74)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 10:20:55 AM EST

    [...]
    Do you have this burning desire to be dismissed with sarcasm and nonsesne??

    Do you like pain?
    **
    what you have come to (none / 0) (#41)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:15:59 PM EST

    Ah.... now the thread has turned into Saddam apologists..

    I knew it would.
    **
    Snitty rage? (none / 0) (#44)
    by  jimakaPPJ on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 09:34:56 AM EST

    [...]
    The only thing larger than your ego is your bad judgement in this matter.
    ****

    Soccerdad, charlie and many others have been banned for such persistent violations of your rules. Even more commenters have been labeled 'chatterers' and have been limited to 4 posts per day.

    Yet one commenter gets to consistently violate TL's rules.

    I understand it's your site and your rules, but shouldn't those rules be applied consistently?

    Regards,

    Sailor

    Sailor - Why don't you provide a link? (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:16:15 PM EST
    That you don't is a clear demonstration that you can't support the charges when the context is made.

    Here. I'll give you three..

    According (none / 0) (#9)

    by jondee on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 10:00:07 AM EST
    to Herr Pokerputz's redefinition of "due process", the question of humane or inhumane treatment of prisoners is irrelevant.

    This from the hypocrite who evoked the Nazis on another thread.

    [ Reply to This |  1  2  3  4  5  ]

    So after beung insulted by Jondee, which you fail to notice, what do I do? Call him Jondoo as a gentle reminder to be nice. The remainder just shows how he is trying to use a previous comment as a smear.

    Jondoo (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 05:11:57 PM EST

    Your inability to debate is marvelous. You ask a question regarding consensus science and I answer that eugenics is a great example, nothing that racists and nazis loved it...

    And now you bring it up, as a smear, though God only knows how you think that knowing racists and nazis embraced eugenics is somehow "bad."

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Well, well. Let's look at this one.  Che is making a comment that he can't find anythign on Google..and then he calls me a liar...

    Well here is what I found, (none / 0) (#32)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 12:10:18 PM EST

    since there were NO google results for Jim's claim. But I did find this
    Apparently Jim's term "it lives all over", means the tributaries of the Tennessee Valley..........
    Looks like more lies from the lying liars that tell them. Please produce some links to back your claim, and possibly reacquire some credibility.

    Squeaky joins in the attack, so I explain

    squeak, che said he couldn't (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 06:37:30 PM EST
    google it, not me.

    Che claimed it was the environmental wackos who saved the snail darter.

    I just provided a link to and a quote from Wikipedia that proves that the snail darter was never threatened. It lived in other places.

    Wow that's really being nasty, eh??
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    And when DA and I are discussing censorship, he comes out with something that makes no sense

    And (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:17:19 AM EST
    p
    pj is for forcing papers to publish Chickenhawk Comics; or risk being insinuated terrorist lovers.

    [ Reply to This |  1  2  3  4  5  ]
    Jondee, do you even read the comment before (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 05:53:03 PM EST
    you start spouting gibberish?

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I could do the others, but why bother? Since you don't provide links or context it is apparent that all you want to do is attack.

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    No Defense (none / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:55:33 PM EST
    But lots of defensiveness. ppj you are either lying through your fingernails or you have zero self awareness.

    You insult other commenters regularly whether or not they insulted you first. And to think that somehow returning insults is perfectly OK is silly. Not that most of are above that sort of grade school behavior, just that most of know that we are stooping low when we do it and wouldn't try to defend it.  

    You are not kidding anyone here.


    Parent

    I don't have to kid anyone. (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 07:35:40 PM EST
    I have the information, and in context. Must I always use your own words?

    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM

    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.

    Do you remember the context of that one? You were snarking on Rove because, supposedly, his grandfather was a nazi. When I challenged you, that was what you wrote.

    Do you remember this one from Edger?

    No Jim (none / 0) (#76)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:35:45 PM EST

    You have the 'understanding' thing all upside down and backwards again.

    Here, boy.


    (emphasis added)

    And when Jondee called me Herr Pokerputz's and I used "Jondoo" on my next post, you think that is wrong???

    And when Che called me a liar, that was okay??

    How about all the times Sailor used the lie word?

    You just did it yourself.

    Show me where I have done that. I don't believe you can.

    And should I show you the thread where Edger called me a liar, and when I promptly proved him wrong, he wouldn't apologize.

    I'll be happy to.

    So keep'em in context, Squeaky and I'll be happy to talk about'em. Until then, have a nice day and thanks for the opportunity.

    Parent

    No Jim (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 07:50:58 PM EST
    You left the link out of my comment that you quoted.

    Here, boy...

    I can understand why you wouldn't want anyone to see that link though. My comment was in response to you insulting another commenter.

    Parent

    Speaking of comments (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 09:08:52 PM EST
    here is edger's guidelines.

    Anyone who wants me or others to be constrained from saying things that insult so that they will NOT feel constrained from doing things that kill, is trying to draw equivalence where there is none, and deserves absolutely no respect, civility, or any kind of tolerence whatever.


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    You are so disconnected from reality (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 09:30:49 PM EST
    and delusional that you don't even realize you're doing me a favor by reposting that comment of mine so often. If you've somehow convinced yourself that I would be embarassed by it, you'd better read it.

    Carefully.

    Parent

    I know you are not embarassed. (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 10:22:19 PM EST
    The reason why I post it is to remind people of your guidlines.

    Parent
    Context (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 08:32:23 PM EST
    It is clear that self awareness is not your problem. Obviously you are a liar.

    Now that you have provided the context of my quote about Rove it shows how pathetic you really are. There was no misunderstanding on your part.

    As you point out I said that I needed no proof that Rove's grandparents were Nazi's because Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, so why should I need proof that Rove's grandparents were Nazis.

    Without the context you have changed my quote to read that I never need proof to smear anyone. Quite a difference from what I actually said. But obviously lying and spin is your trade here, so your smear comes as no surprise.

    If you were not so thouroughly dishonest my quote would read

    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I [need proof about Rove]

    Your emulation of Nazi loving Rove is pathetic, gross and disgusting.  

    Parent

    Squeaky (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 09:20:36 PM EST
    So because Rove is doing wrong, it is okay for you to do wrong?

    Uh, that's the old "end justifying the means."

    But you're only gonna do it against Rove because he is a political enemy...

    Okay, fine. (That sound you hear is laughter.)

    Isn't that you accuse Bush of? He wanted to attack Iraq so he, etc., etc....

    I think my use of the quote is quite accurate.

    BTW - Just check back and see how many times you have called me a liar...

    Now. Show me some where I called you a liar.

    Edger wouldn't apologize even when he was caught stone cold. I think that makes him a very poor loser.

    Have a nice day, Squeaky. And thanks for proving my point.

    Parent

    ppj does as ppj does (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 09:58:35 PM EST
    So because Rove is doing wrong, it is okay for you to do wrong?
    I have no problem with alleging that Rove's grandparents were Nazi's. Even if they were not, he uses Goebbels' propaganda techniques as a bible and may as well be a born and bred Nazi.

    You on the other hand have generalized this in the most dishonest way possible, ad-nauseam.

    BTW- didn't you just go on and on, in an attempt justify insulting others because they insulted you?

    Yes, you did in comment #20.
    Don't you read what you write?

    But you're only gonna do it against Rove because he is a political enemy...

    Okay, fine. (That sound you hear is laughter.)

    Isn't that you accuse Bush of? He wanted to attack Iraq so he, etc., etc....

    Your logic here is twisted beyond belief. My linking to a site, albeit dubious one, alleging that Rove's grandpa was a nazi is tantamount to Bush invading Iraq????  

    BTW - Just check back and see how many times you have called me a liar...

    Now. Show me some where I called you a liar.

    You are a liar. The Rove quote is proof. You are legendary on this site for lying. I am not the first or only person to repeatedly point this out.
    In fact I gave you some slack above when you said that you never insult anyone without them insulting you first. But that turned out to be a lie.

    That you claim to never have called me a liar means nothing and is a non-sequitur meant to distract from the fact that you have hurled insults at me and others with great regularity.

    Your fantasy of 'catching' people is juvenile at best. And you want people to constantly apologize to you, Ha, hahaha. More dishonesty.

    All you seem to want is to get people mad at you. Most here are used to your provocations and roll their eyes, although at times you try the patience of even the most mild mannered commenters here. So, if that is your game, you have about a 20% success rate.


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    Sueaky (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 10:20:45 PM EST
    Your logic fails you.

    I use the statement because it clearly states that you believe in the ends justifying the means when it suits your desire.

    And isn't that what you accuse Bush of? He wanted to attack Iraq so he lied.....

    I have no problem with alleging that Rove's grandparents were Nazi's. Even if they were not, he uses Goebbels' propaganda techniques as a bible and may as well be a born and bred Nazi

    And what is so funny, you prove and reprove my point.

    As for lies, your version of a lie is any statement that you disagree with.

    Have a nice day, Squeaky. And thanks for proving my point.

    Parent

    Right ppj (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 10:22:28 PM EST
    Non answer as usual. Pathetic.

    Parent
    Squeaky - Thanks "dad?" (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 10:54:14 PM EST
    God forbid.

    Thanks dad (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:36:36 PM EST

    For the advice. Seeing that this thread is about the vile pundit, I think it is fair game to speculate, albeit briefly, on her twisted sexuality.

    So to make an attack on your opponent, you think it fair to "speculate."

    That's what you said about Rove.

    End justifies the means, eh?

       

    Parent

    Yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:09:53 PM EST
    For someone so vile and twisted as Coulter, it is totally appropriate to speculate as to why she is so full of hate.

    It is less interesting, but topical to speculate as to why you are coming to her rescue.

    No wonder for conservatives she seems to be a god.
    That about sums up the conservative movement today.  

    Parent

    Squeaky (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 08:33:55 AM EST
    Coulter has numerous faults. She should be easy to criticize.

    So why do you feel it necessary to speculate and smear?

    Don't you understand that if your speculation is wrong, that you harm your own creditability??

    Thanks again for demonstrating that you are quite willing to smear an opponent.

    Parent

    Opponent of Coulter? (none / 0) (#51)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:08:26 AM EST
    What do you think, that she is my debating partner? But you certainly seem to be her friend.

    BTW-Are either of these items in your collection?:

    The annual CPAC gathering has been selling items like "Happiness is Hillary's face on a milk carton" and "Muslim = Terrorist" bumper stickers like they were going out of style since they started.



    digby

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    Again because you hate her (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 12:02:49 PM EST
    you feel free to do as you please.

    That's the end justifies the means.

    Parent

    Hate her? (none / 0) (#57)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 12:08:44 PM EST
    Putting words in my mouth again, ppj? It is becoming a speciality of yours.  I could care less about her.

    Parent
    Laughing out loud. (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 02:20:49 PM EST
    Okay, you spend hours attacking her and don't hate her.

    Parent
    Spend Hours? (none / 0) (#61)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 02:27:48 PM EST
    you love to make sh*t up. As I have said, I could care less about, Coulter, Limbaugh, Malkin and all your bigoted friends from wingnuttia.

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    someone (none / 0) (#44)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 07:52:50 AM EST
    Has the hots for PPJ.  One thing I have noticed if you disagree with the majority here on the site the word troll pops up alot.  Its as if the people using the term have no real idea to what it means.  

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    Sailor my brother..... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:02:00 AM EST
    I love ya Sailor....but for your own sake and the sake of this forum can't you just ignore Jim?

    You seem way too focused on one knucklehead poster in a cyber-space full of knuckleheads.

    Just this knucklehead's 2 cents.  Let us not take ourselves too seriously.


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    He's (none / 0) (#17)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 04:13:29 PM EST
    been grandtrolled in.

    And he lies (none / 0) (#19)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:05:42 PM EST


    No Che. I quoted you. (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:47:06 PM EST
    Yet even when proven wrong you deny.

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    The Persecution of Sami Al-Arian (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 10:18:59 PM EST
    This case, which I haven't kept up with, seems horrifying. What has America come to, or is this always the way it has been? Perhaps just the victim du jour skin color, ethnicity or religion only changed.

    At the direct instigation of  Attorney General Ashcroft, the feds threw the book at al-Arian  in February 2003. He was arrested with much fanfare and charged  in a bloated terrorism and conspiracy case. He spent two and  a half years in prison, in solitary confinement under atrocious  conditions. To confer with his lawyers, he had to hobble half  a mile, shackled hand and foot, his law files balanced on his  back.

    The six-month trial in US District  Court in Tampa featured 80 government witnesses (including 21  from Israel) and 400 intercepted phone calls (the results of  a decade of surveillance and half a million recorded calls).  The government's evidence against Al-Arian consisted of speeches  he gave, magazines he edited, lectures he presented, articles  he wrote, books he owned, conferences he organized, rallies he  attended, news he heard and websites no one accessed. One bit  of evidence consisted of a conversation a co-defendant had with  al-Arian in his dream. The defense rested without calling a single  witness or presenting any evidence since the government's case  rested entirely on First Amendment­protected activities.

    He was acquitted, plead to innocuous charges in the face of retrial, and still is in jail.
    Alexander Cockburn

    Another view. (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:08:52 PM EST
    He plead guilty to a very serious charge for which he was senteced to 57 months, having 8 others dropped and being deported.
    Link

    On April 14, 2006 al-Arian pleaded guilty to a single count of conspiracy to provide services to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and agreed to be deported. In return, federal prosecutors agreed to drop the remaining eight charges against him.

    Al-Arian was sentenced to the 57 months in prison and given him credit for time served. He is to serve the balance of 19 months and then be deported.

    He has recently refused to testify to a federal grand jury in Alexandria,Va., in an investigation of the International Institute of Islamic Thought's alleged financing of terror because he believes, "his life would be in danger if he testified."[1]Further, Arian claims he has no information that could further the investigation and his attorneys argued that the grand jury subpoena violates Arian's plea agreement with US prosecutors.[1] These arguments were rejected by a federal judge in Florida and Al-Arian begun a hunger strike on January 22, 2007, to "protest continued government harassment."[1][2]

    It looks like that his failure to testify to the Grand Jury is a violation of his plea agreement, and the government is going to keep him in in jail, probably try him again for one, or all, of the eight charges dropped, and maybe obstruction...

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    Serious charges? (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:28:44 PM EST
    The terms of the plea agreement  were in line with Al-Arian's long-standing contention, despite  the government's accusations, that he never contributed to the  violent actions of any organization. The government settled for  a watered-down version of a single count of providing  services to people associated with the Palestinian Islamic  Jihad. The Statement of Facts in the agreement included only  these innocuous activities:

     (1) hiring an attorney for  his brother-in-law, Mazen Al-Najjar, during his deportation hearings in the late 1990s;

     (2) filling out immigration  forms for a resident Palestinian scholar from Britain; and

     (3) not disclosing details  of associations to a local reporter. (I remain completely baffled  as to why it should be a crime to withhold information from a newspaper reporter.)

    A central aspect of the plea  agreement was an understanding that al-Arian would not be subject  to further prosecution or called to cooperate with the government on any matter. The government recommended the shortest possible sentence.



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    The judge disagreed (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 08:18:05 AM EST
    his attorneys argued that the grand jury subpoena violates Arian's plea agreement with US prosecutors.[1] These arguments were rejected by a federal judge in Florida

    So let's wait and see.

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    ppj speaks (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:51:46 PM EST
    Re: Jury: No Convictions for Tampa Prof Sami al-A (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:42 PM EST
    Interesting. Let's re-try'em on those deadlocked charges. Re cost. Who cares?

    link

    And as a bonus, in that thread,  ppj makes a typical unprovoked insult to another commenter.

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    Well, fancy this, Squeaky (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 08:59:28 AM EST
    does another smear by making a claim and then not quoting it. What did I do? Claim someone was tripping old ladies when they were crossing the street? Claim they were drowning kittens?Call someone a liar?? What terrible thing did I do?  

    Well, let's look at that thread. Since Squeaky won't show it, I will. The following comments were between myself and someone one named "mac."

    JimakaPPJ, As a matter of fact, I do. I also care about the money spent on the military .... And just to be fair, I also care about tax dollars involving government social programs like social security. ....

    My reply:

    mac - I gueIss you have never drawn a pay check, so let me tell you a truth. Social Security is a government mandated retirement/insurance program. What you get back is based on what you pay in. Now, go ask Daddy for enough money to go Christmas shopping. That's welfare.

    Jim, I almost forgot... In an earlier post I mentioned that I was a taxpayer. I guess you overlooked that. So I guess that means I must have drawn a paycheck once or twice in my lifetime....

    mac - ...... I merely corrected it and dropped the subject. As for the snarky remark, I offer my apologies. But really, you should know that you don't have to draw a paycheck to be a tax payer. Check your phone bill for an excellent example.

    No doubt about it. The crime of the century.

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    Just lying, no crime (none / 0) (#50)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 09:57:20 AM EST
    No doubt about it. The crime of the century.

    Hardly, but unquestionably an unprovoked insult. Something you claim never to do.

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    Re: Myths About PlameGate (none / 0) (#16) (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:18:22 AM EST
    BTW - Go back and read. Ny comment was tied to mac's claim that Social Security was a government social program...so that was the start of the exchange...

    So I snarked back at him.. and later...gasp!!! Apologized. What a concept!

    Here's another from Squeaky:

    Re: Myths About PlameGate (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:11 PM EST

    PPJ-I see you are back to repeating lies until they seem true. Too bad thet the lies you are peddling have already been debunked by the ones who spun them in the first place. I guess you are just a third string propagandist.

    Did you ever think about saying, "Your claims are inaccurate?? Nope. Right to the "lie" word.
    And no back up, just a smear.

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    Denial = Lying (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:23:42 AM EST
    So, are you maintaining that you never insult others unless they insult you first?

    That is a laugh, as every TL reader knows.

    Maybe you should move the goalposts on that one too. A more accurate defense would be that you never insult others unless they disagree with you.

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    Have a nice day, DA, (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:10:39 PM EST
    Sounds like you need one.

    And yes, that was your intent.

    DA, I never read minds in the morning. (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 09:02:20 AM EST
    And yes, that was your intent.

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    Still having problems, DA? (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 05:58:50 PM EST
    Sorry about that.

    And you don't think a Social Liberal who supports the war doesn't find a cartoon show Congress showing up to surrender at the Alamo funny?

    Wow.

    Anyway, glad to have given you something to stew over all day.

    And yes, that was your intent.

    Take care now!

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    When in doubt.... lie. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:37:25 AM EST
    Cheney Wins Academy Award For Lying With A Straight Face

    If repeatedly (none / 0) (#58)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 01:32:08 PM EST
    using the phrase "Environmental Wacko" at a site called TalkLeft isnt an obvious troll, I dont know what is.

    In the interests of accuracy and integrity, shouldnt it read "Trolling -- other than Jim's -- wont be tolerated"?

    What do you call someone who (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 06:01:53 PM EST
    calls others, "Herr PokerPutz?"

    I know!!!

    You call him Jondee!!

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    What do you call somebody who calls (none / 0) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 06:07:44 PM EST
    you subhuman?

    ppj - Express a sentiment that proves that you arnt subhuman. You know, something other than whimpering with defference at fearless leaders every whim; all that does is put you in the same league with wild dogs.

    I know!

    Jondee!!

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    Pelosi: "Let me be clear" (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 02:15:03 PM EST
    On December 5, shortly after the people voted for the Democrats to end the war in the mid-term elections, Pelosi went on record, "Let me be clear. We will not cut off funding for the troops. Absolutely not!".

    Let's take a look at exactly what it is that the Democrats in Congress are refusing to stop:

    Recently, the Bush regime has targetted the Iraqi Resistance in Baghdad when he asked congress to give him "one last chance" to win the war. The most recent U.S. tactic to accomplish this bloody affair has been mass-scale bombing of neighborhoods in Baghdad...
    ...
    Tom Bullock, NPR's mouthpiece in Baghdad, reported that the U.S. military has been carrying out "heavy bombing ... in numerous neighborhoods in and around Baghdad" attempting to wipe out "car bomb factories". Almost immediately after these latest U.S. attacks, Tom Bullock described these neighborhoods as "densely populated". When asked about reports of casualties, the NPR reporter said the bombing continued for about 2 hours and just ceased "so it's too early to know the extent of casualties".
    ...
    20 minutes after the NPR report cited above, the NPR script was apparently rewritten for Bullock deleting references to the "heavy bombing" in "dense neighborhoods". In the new version, NPR described this as a "security crackdown".

    More...
    Stay all you want Jim (none / 0) (#62)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 04:51:29 PM EST
    You're just practice for me.

    atta boy Che, get it all out (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 06:03:00 PM EST


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    Just in case (none / 0) (#70)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 11:17:25 PM EST
    According to this guy, TL has had 421 sightings of profanity as  defined by George Carlin's seven words that you can't say on TV.

    via digby who had 285 sightings. Oh, and the right wing blogs had a much lower incidence of indecent utterances? Strange huh?

    digby


    I have to admit that I'm even more surprised, however, that the manly warriors of the rightwing blogosphere are so genteel and restrained, which they seem inordinately proud of, as if they've won first prize from the Boston spinsters crochet society or something. There has always been a particular type of prissy conservative male who shares certain characteristics with fluttery Victorian ladies who get all breathless (and aroused) in the presence of muscular, earthy language. I didn't realize that the alleged he-men of the rightwing blogosphere were like this but I suppose I should have. It certainly explains why they haven't joined the military.




    Nice work Roy (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:48:42 AM EST
    And quite hilarious as well.

    That was yiddish Jim, (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:02:41 AM EST
    your Judophobia is showing again.

    that it's vulgar Yiddish (none / 0) (#75)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:07:49 AM EST
    would seem to be the salient point. I fail to see how his response in any way justifies the accuation he is anti-semitic.

      Moreover, I think the "herr" amply illustrates that when you can't meet his volleys with a decent point you stoop to the gutter with the lame Nazi imagery.

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    Yes Decon (none / 0) (#76)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:15:52 AM EST
    It is vulgar yiddish but you miss the point. Judophobia was hailed by ppj as the neologism of the year. He got it from the right wing echo chamber.  If you are interested you can google it.

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    Squeaky, The fact is I asked you (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 07:05:24 PM EST
    if you supported Israel and the Jews in the war on terror.

    To no one's surprise, you would not answer, choosing instead to hide in the thickets.

    Point is squeaky, that many on the Left will not criticize the radical Moslems for their executions of women accused of adultery, or their killing of Gays and Lesbians.

    I find it instructive that we have hundreds, maybe thousands of condemnations of what Coulter said, yet nothing about killing Gays.

    Your tongue wags on the attack at all times, squeaky.

    Surely you could actually support Gays and Lesibians who are being killed for their sexual orientation.

    Isn't being killed the ultimate insult??

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    hahahahha (none / 0) (#83)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 12:20:33 PM EST
    if you supported Israel and the Jews in the war on terror.

    Which jews are you talking about?
     

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    What it was (none / 0) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 06:56:17 PM EST
    was a mean nasty slur by someone who has demonstrated a unique ability to say nasty things.

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    Kind of (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:20:29 AM EST
    an inside joke. Yes, Jim registers everyones less-finer moments but his own. Probobly because he has a higher purpose.

    There should be hundreds of comments. (none / 0) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:53:09 AM EST
    That I never read one from Edger, Squeaky, etc., I find very telling.

    If you think for a minute perhaps you will become informed.

    Funny thing about ppj (none / 0) (#84)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 12:25:03 PM EST
    That I never have seen him deny that he is Ann Colters (sic) sister, I find very telling.

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    Goose and Gander (none / 0) (#85)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 12:51:01 PM EST
    From ppj off topic remark in the Obama/Selma thread
    Hillary made a huge mistake. She was pandering, pure and simple, just as Kerry was in his purchase of a hunting license in Ohio.

    Unlike Dubya who cultivated a thoroughly fake gun slinger southern accent, Hillary, who lived in Arkansas, only uses a Southern accent when she quotes Southerners.

    Haven't heard you ever talk about Bush's 'pandering' and totally fake Texan accent, have we?

    And you love to accuse other of double standard?

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