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Bob Herbert seems shocked to discover politics is stupid:

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is no doubt (and regrettably) a big issue in the presidential campaign. But what we’ve seen over the past week is major media overkill — Jeremiah Wright all day and all night. It’s like watching the clips of a car wreck again and again. . . . We’ve forced Barack and Michelle Obama, two decent, hard-working, law-abiding, family-oriented Americans, to sit for humiliating television interviews, reminiscent of Bill and Hillary Clinton on “60 Minutes” at the height of the Gennifer Flowers scandal.

(Emphasis supplied.) I am not sure if Herbert is saying the Wright story is less substantial than the Gennifer Flowers story in 1992 but it is a strange juxtaposition. But I must say, when Barack Obama gave the "greatest speech ever" about race relations (and never to return to the subject afterwards), Bob Herbert did not think that was overkill. Indeed, just a few weeks ago Herbert wrote:

Senator Obama, for his part, seems to have lost sight of the unifying message that proved so compelling early in his campaign and has stumbled into weird cultural predicaments that have caused some people to rethink his candidacy.

While some of those predicaments raise legitimate concerns (his former pastor, his comments in San Francisco) and some do not (stupid questions about wearing a flag pin), he has allowed them to fester unnecessarily. The way for a candidate to eventually change the subject is to offer policy prescriptions so creative and compelling that they generate excitement among the electorate and can’t be ignored by the press.

Voters want more from Senator Obama. He’s given a series of wonderful speeches, but he has to add more meat to those rhetorical bones. He needs to be clear about where he wants to lead this country and how he plans to do it. That’s how a candidate defines himself or herself.

(Emphasis supplied.) Obama's has presented shallow empty post partisan Unity Schtick that has been short on substance. So when Herbert says today:

The challenge for the working press right now is to see if we can force ourselves past the overwhelming temptations of Wright and race and focus in a sustained way on some other important matters, like the cratering economy, metastasizing energy costs, the dismal state of public education, the nation’s crumbling infrastructure or the damage being done to the American soul by the endless war in Iraq.

It seems to me that he is letting Barack Obama off the hook. It has been Barack Obama's decision not to focus on issues, instead promising "change" and "unity" and "coming together." Of course Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor of 20 years, was preaching a different message. It seems hard for me to see how the Media could ignore the contradiction.

Herbert has always been a columnist focused on issues and substance. Barack Obama has been a candidate who has avoided issues and substance for branding and feelgood imagery. Obama understood the choice he made. He is a politician after all. and Wright is part of the picture now.

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    As much as I have admired Herbert in (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by hairspray on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:27:27 AM EST
    the past, he has succumbed to Obamamania and cannot have it both ways. I was disappointed in his partisanship so early in the game, before Obama had a chance to be vetted by the media. He hasn't been fair to Clinton in this process either. Sooo what else is new?

    Bob Didn't do his homework... (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Salo on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:44:56 AM EST
    For the last year and a half... (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:10:06 PM EST
    ...while other candidates focused on their platforms and pet issues, we've been told that those don't matter as much this year as personality, judgment and character.

    And now that Obama has been shown to be lacking in these attributes, we're told to switch gears and focus on the issues that matter to voters.

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    I totally agree (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Jane in CA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:05:03 PM EST
    I feel the same way about Leonard Pitts, who used to be my favorite syndicated columnist.

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    Ah, but now where is (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by zfran on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:28:10 AM EST
    the controversial Rev. Wright. Has he been put in a back room or just writing his book. Yes the media has been saturating us with this. It's an important story to those of us who still walk around questioning people's judgement, wisdom, truthfulness, beliefs, and on and on..Why in May, are we still having to "vet" Sen. Obama??? Where was the media at the beginning of all of this?

    Wright is/was travelling, giving sermons (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:34:44 AM EST
    at revivals-- he was scheduled to speak at a Columbus, GA revival last night, but cancelled. Apparently, he wants to fade back into the background a little bit.

    Heard that on my local news.

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    MSM Fighting Back (none / 0) (#22)
    by Athena on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:02:53 AM EST
    If Wright is laying low, the MSM will not.  And they will be in full fury this weekend as they sense their golden candidate on the ropes.  Although I didn't know what to make of Dan Abrams full hour last night on Rev. W - it could have hurt as much as helped.

    But they will headline any minor good news - such as the Andrew endorsement this week - to stave off the inevitable decline that will be revealed on Tuesday.

    I predict IND by double-digits, and a possible upset in NC.

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    Athena, I Am With You On That One! (none / 0) (#112)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:04:08 PM EST
    Northwestern Univ. cancelled (none / 0) (#68)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:40:15 AM EST
    Wright's honorary degree he was to receive soon.


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    Think About It...obamaphiles Are Still Bringing (none / 0) (#111)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    up Vince Foster against Sen. Clinton in hopes they can whip people up into a frenzy.  After 3 or 4 investigations that netted nada, you think they would move on...NO.  So, it is not okay for us to question the motives of Wright's spew and his status of mentor/spiritual advisor to obama?

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    Sen. Obama may be correct (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by wurman on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:31:10 AM EST
    It appears that a significant majority of USA voters prefer an amorphous, content free, feel-good presentation by politicians.  Nixon had a secret plan to end the Vietnam war--the "secret" was that no such plan existed.  Nixon's policy of GOoPer conservative economics resulted in wage-price controls--who'd a thunk it?

    Sen. Obama may be risking the nomination, however his non-descript, non-policy, non-specific approach may be the proper technique in the general election.

    In my opinion, Nixon pulled that off twice & Reagan pulled it off twice.  It's the equivalent of "trust me, I know what I'm doing."

    Come to think of it, historically, Eisenhower pulled it off twice, too.  Hey, maybe there's a trend here.

    Yeah (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:35:28 AM EST
    but have you ever known the technique to work for a Democrat?

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    Jimmy Carter--once (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by andgarden on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:38:21 AM EST
    Carter came in on the post-Watergate (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Cream City on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:06:05 AM EST
    fatigue, the post-Viet Nam War fatigue.  We really were clingy then.  We just had lost a war, we just had weathered whether the Constitution would stand.  Hopey-changey, but changey back to less aggressiveness was just the thing.

    Now we are losing a war again, and now we have seen the Constitution not withstand a president -- or more correctly, the Magna Carta not withstand a president who attacks habeas corpus -- and we realize what we is assertiveness.  Clinton's thing.

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    But (none / 0) (#76)
    by janarchy on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:55:22 AM EST
    a lot of people want the equivalent of political prozac. They don't want to actually have to face the reality of the problems, they just want them to go away. They want a candidate who is just going to kiss the boo-boos, wave his hands and make it all go away immediately rather than tell you that things are bad, things are going to be tough and that we actually might have to work at fixing them.

    I really think that's the appeal of Obama's non-message. It's easier to hear someone say "I want to change stuff" (without any explanation as to HOW) vs. actually being confronted with the reality of how bad things are.

    Or they're just seduced by the shiny of an iPhone (Stephen Colbert reference).

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    Hilarious (2.00 / 0) (#94)
    by squeaky on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:46:22 PM EST
    If Obama delivers Prozak what drug does Hillary provide you, because you seem just as high as an Obamamanic.

    Let's see, assuming that your argument is true and Hillary is specific with her campaign promises and Obama is not, you have decided that because Hillary is telling you what you want to hear makes her a better fortune teller? Or is it something else?

    No war (in Iraq), fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Health care for all etc, is that the hook for you, or is it this:

    Only a new president can renew the promise of America -- the idea that if you work hard you can count on the health care, education, and retirement security that you need to raise your family. These are the basic values of America that are under attack from this administration every day.
    And only a new president can regain America's position as a respected leader in the world.
    I believe that change is coming November 4, 2008.

    link

    I do not understand why anyone gets so worked up about their favorite politician, especially when the contenders are virtually identical. All of a sudden in this election one politician is really going to deliver when they become prez.  A first.


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    Bush Jr. also twice (none / 0) (#15)
    by Serene1 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:58:36 AM EST
    First as a compassionate conservative whatever that means
    and second time as the only person who could handle Iraq.

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    The problem is (5.00 / 6) (#10)
    by misspeach2008 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:45:18 AM EST
    that when you use "trust me, I know what I'm doing,"  the trust has to be there. Unfortunately for Obama, fewer and fewer people trust him.

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    even worse... (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by white n az on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:57:29 AM EST
    Obama demonstrated that you can't trust him...

    5 weeks ago, he 'could no more disown Reverend Wright than the white grandmother who raised him', and then when he believes that it has a political cost, he disowns him.

    8 years ago, he supports a gas tax holiday, to the level of suggesting that gas pumps should all honor him in Illinois and now he is against the same action for all Americans.

    I think that the truth was spoken by Axelrod just 2 weeks ago on NPR when he said that the white working doesn't vote for Democrats. We must not lose sight of this expression because it really says a lot about who Obama is campaigning for.

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    LOL - "gas pumps honoring him" (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:44:10 AM EST
    Hey - even gas pumps bow down to St. Obama.
    GOP will use his own words - joking about putting his name on all the gas pumps in his district to make sure voters knew he voted for the gas tax suspension.


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    Not 'the truth.' (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by oldpro on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:36:52 PM EST
    If Axelrod said white working (sic) don't vote for Democrats...he be wrong.

    They do - big time - in my legislative district, my county and my small town.  It just depends on the Democrat.  Working class people can smell a phony a mile away.

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    There is no if... (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by white n az on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:03:04 PM EST
    He definitely said it...

    HuffPo Lek Link

    During an interview with NPR, Obama's top strategist David Axelrod played down his candidate's loss in Pennsylvania.

    "The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years," Axelrod said. "This is not new that Democratic candidates don't rely solely on those votes."

    or the original NPR Link can be heard here (safer)

    He's counting on the arugula eaters, latte sippers and blacks to carry him I guess.

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    Obama insincere about ditching Wright (none / 0) (#130)
    by gandy007 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:02:04 PM EST
    Rasmussen ran a poll this week on what likely voters thought about Obama's repudiation of Wright.

    Only 30% believed it was sincere.  58% thought it was purely politically motivated.

    When one assumes the vast majority of AA's would give him the benefit of the doubt, that means big numbers of non AA's think otherwise.


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    exactly! (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:40:53 AM EST
    >>>It's the equivalent of "trust me, I know what I'm doing."

    Saw this on a NC message board -- voter is saying there is no way to hold "hope and change" accountable.

    >>>I have heard what both have said and listened to how they handled the issues. Barack Obama's chameleon handling of Rev. Wright and his handling of some issues (gun control) are quite baffling. Hillary, mispoke about Bosnia but overall she has presented more ideas and solutions for moving the country ahead. Barack speaks great but doesn't give specifics.

    We have something to hold Hillary's actions against if she gets into office. If Barack gets into office, I fear the target will keep moving since he doesn't commit to anything. We need a leader with ideas, not someone who just tries to talk like a leader. I'm not looking at color or gender - I'm voting on the facts and the substance.

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    Political skill (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:47:00 AM EST
    Obama also claims that he has the skills to bring us to together and create a new political paradigm.  How he will do that he never explains.  But, this is where we see that he could not manage Wright.  Wright of all people should not have been an issue after the speech.  Obviously, Obama's political skills did not work.  So, what does that tell us? If he cannot make a guy on his side behave, oooh...weeee.   They dissed Wright and used him and discounted his ability to take them down.  They thought they had him.  Funny, politics is not magic.  

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    the new paradigm (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Salo on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:48:41 AM EST
    will be chastizing voters for letting Obama down.

    Last Days and all that.

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    disappointment (none / 0) (#93)
    by kredwyn on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:36:36 PM EST
    is the operative word.

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    saw this clip on TV (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:50:38 AM EST
    Aug or Sept 2007 - Obama speaking to a religious conference,
    praising Wright as his mentor and counselor.
    In his book and speeches, St. Obama made Wright a central part of his campaign - until Wright exposed him as just another politician.


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    One of the biggest jokes (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:06:31 PM EST
    of this campaign is how so many people have been suckered into the idea that a freshman Senator with barely two years under his belt (he's been running for President the last year and four months) and 8 years as a state senator in a PART TIME legislature (for that reason a weak legislature)could 'change' the way Washington works.

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    A technique for the general election (none / 0) (#54)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:08:45 AM EST
    that may well backfire if McCain moderates after the conventions.

    Like it or not McCain is still regarded as a straight talking maverick, a non Bush by far too many people.

    Expect the press to do Rev. Wright, Rezko, Ayers around the clock and will NOT call McCain on his sudden moderation.

    Do expect the press to call Obama on his inconsistencies.

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    Obama is held to a higher standard (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Saul on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:36:13 AM EST
    He decided early on to christen his campaign to say I will not be your normal politician.  I will be very different and will not succumb to the politics as usual. A sort of holier than thou mentality.  Hilary never said that.  She said decided to run the typical campaign of old just like FDR and JFK as well as other have in the past. Because Obama wanted to be on such a high plain  people will hold him to a higher standard.  As he is finding out it is hard  not be that normal politician that he wanted to divorce himself from.   I don't think that running a typical campign like he tried to avoid just to look different is such a bad thing.  I think JFK and FDR said, Look just get me there and I will show you all the good I can do for the country.  They were not concern on how they got there and yet look at all the good they did.

    The problem I have with the way Obama's (5.00 / 8) (#28)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:10:33 AM EST
    campaign is run is that is reminds me of the old Chicago Daley machine tactics. The way they behaved at the caucuses is very similar to the sort of thing that went on in Chicago wards under Richard J. Daley, the father of the current mayor. It's not new, it's old as politics. Hell, the Romans were doing the same thing, and even then it was considered unethical. Some things never change, including the "change" candidate.

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    The (5.00 / 13) (#49)
    by sas on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:57:55 AM EST
    Obama campaign has succeeded in dividing the Democratic party into two groups - the racists (those who do not vote for me) and the non-racists (those who do vote for me).  And because of that faulty distinction, he will lose.

    I will never forgive Obama and his campaign for trying to portray Bill and Hillary Clinton as racists, and for employing the Repub talking points against Hillary Clinton.

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    I agree (5.00 / 7) (#57)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:14:52 AM EST
    with the things you listed plus I don't believe that Obama will "fight" for the things that I find important. (Quite honestly I don't think he'll fight for anything so if elected he would fit right in with the bunch of spineless Democrats all ready in Washington.)

    Health insurance is a very important issue to me and I believe that having been beaten bloody over this issue once Hillary Clinton would fight for it tooth and nail.

    Also being an old feminist from way back I always remember her words from Beijing: "Women's rights are human rights." She got in my wheelhouse with that and is still there today.

    I don't want or need silly campaign slogans or hope or change. Anything would be a change from Bush/Cheney for crying-out-loud.

    Politics is stupid most of the time because we allow the folks with the cameras and the power to dangle shiny objects in front of our eyes and make us forget what is important. Shame on them and even more so, shame on us.

    We need to focus on the issues that are important to us and throw the rest of the drivel on the dungheap where it belongs.

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    exactly! (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:58:42 AM EST
    >>>I don't believe that Obama will "fight" for the things that I find important.

    The DC establishment wouldn't be supporting him if they thought he'd "change Washington" - the oldest political ploy in the book.
    They know Hillary will get things done.
    See how Kerry folded like a cheap lawnchair on health care for all Americans by buying into Obama's conservative plan and saying any other plan isn't viable.

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    he also has sided with the non fighters on (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by dotcommodity on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:59:33 AM EST
    clean energy policy: Sen Daschle and Bob Dole (R) who advise him are both ethanol lobbyists.

    Bingaman who endorsed him put forth the weakest energy legislation short of Bush policy itself.

    Look at the Bingaman policy on this chart:

    Boxer who endorsed Clinton put out The Gold Standard of climate legislation.

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    And still worse (5.00 / 6) (#61)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:31:22 AM EST
    applying right-wing talking points against the entire Democratic Party, attacking the most recent Democratic administration and putting crucial, significant progressive programs at risk.

    When was the last time anyone heard a Republican criticize the Reagan administration?

    People who claim that Obama would help downticket should try to explain themselves.  Running against previous Democratic administrations won't help in a year when the theme should be: throw the Republican bums the hell out.

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    Obama dividing the Democratic party (none / 0) (#127)
    by noholib on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:49:15 PM EST
    Right on!

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    Change as a shiny thing (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Lahdee on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:39:46 AM EST
    How is it 'merica can't seem to get beyond the instant gratification of a smiley face? The Senator from Indiana may have wonderful policies awaiting his anointment, or not, and he may have leadership to beat the band, or not, but it really doesn't seem to matter cause the unity pony gleams so pretty in the sun.

    About that unity pony... (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:16:31 AM EST
    anyone following that pony down the trail will have lots of piles of poop to avoid, or pick up. That's the thing about ponies, they look cute until you have to clean up after them. Heh.

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    The only (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:25:51 PM EST
    bright side to the Obama unity pony show is that pony poop as with the horse manure most politicians spread around is good for the roses.

    I don't blame Obama for trying to con us into thinking he was something other than a politician. I blame the folks that bought into such drivel. Unless you are 16 and fawning over some silly contestant on American Idol you really do need to grow up. It isn't easy and it isn't nearly as much fun as jumping on bandwagons and marching in the parade but it's what adults need to do. Anything else is simply self-indulgence.

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    The issue of Wright has always been... (5.00 / 16) (#12)
    by white n az on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:52:36 AM EST
    a side issue that exposes the larger problems of the candidate Obama.

    Whether Obama heard or didn't hear the divisive sermons really was never the issue at all. Obama was the guilt-free black candidate...that holding white American's to task for the sins of the past wasn't his platform as it was for someone like Jesse Jackson.

    Obama then gives his 'major speech on race' which merely admits that yes, he is black and that there are wacky divisive people who are black and white.

    When Wright publicly suggests that Obama is a mere politician, saying the things politicians say, Obama then proves Wright to be correct in his assertion by disowning him.

    Somehow, somewhere , some people had the notion that voting for Obama would magically heal race relations in America but there has been absolutely no evidence of that occuring. In fact, the black community is aware that Obama gets their votes without a single commitment given to the black community. Obama has distanced himself from the black community by refusing to appear at functions such as Tavis Smiley's, the MLK assassination anniversary in Memphis and in fact, any event that has either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton for fear of being identified with either of them.

    The curious nature of the Wright and race relations is the dichotomy of interests...Obama's interest is that his popularity is based on not talking about race relations, especially the history of what has happened whereas Wright demonstrates that he cannot let go of the history. So Obama disowns Wright to make himself acceptable to white America - witness the reaction of the main stream media for this act of 'courage' when in fact, he has demonstrated his break from the mainstream black community and his break from the person he could not disown just 5 weeks prior.

    Well isn't one of Obama's campaign theme also (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Serene1 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:02:39 AM EST
    Superior judgement from day one.

    And based on the same shouldn't anything that reflects on Obama's judgement become a legitimate issue?

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    I have not heard (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by DJ on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:04:13 AM EST
    as much on the "judgment" theme lately.

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    Brilliant summary (5.00 / 7) (#30)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:12:37 AM EST
    Yet, I have not seen anyone in the MSM or Blogs write or present it this way.  This is exactly what "the voters" are picking up.  This is the discomfort so many of us here have with Obama.  He started with a false premise and now he is caught in a lie.  Whereas I think there was no need for this particular lie.  

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    the reason you aren't seeing it... (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by white n az on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:39:58 AM EST
    is because any time that Hillary or one of her surrogates actually started to talk about racial issues, they were tarred and feathered as racists and the issue was taken off the table out of fear of being motivated to hurt the black candidate that is running as the white candidate.

    I don't want to characterize it as a lie or a false premise...the truth is that while Obama's does have black skin and is married to a woman with black skin and has black skinned children, he shares little in terms of commonality of experience with most blacks in this country. He grew up in places like Hawaii where there has always been a racial mix and has never been deprived of opportunities and thus doesn't share the anger that Wright makes evident.

    All of these things inure to Obama's credit and have given him broad acceptance because it's clear that he is not motivated to fix the wrongs of the past because he clearly hasn't experienced much of them himself.

    So he jettisons Wright and it immediately becomes 'the past' and he wants to get beyond that and back to the issues of the campaign - fine. But the problem is not now, nor was ever the issue of what Wright said...it is that this was his friend, his crazy uncle, his mentor, his inspiration for thoughts, his inspiration for his books, the pastor who presided over his marriage, baptized his children, prayed with him moments before he announced to the world that he was running for president.

    And he disowned him for no reason other than the pure calculation that his association with Wright was hurting him politically.

    How can anyone not take away from all of this that whatever Obama stands for, he will stomp it, kick it to the curb and disown it if it has a political cost?

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    I'm always suspicious (none / 0) (#104)
    by hitchhiker on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:35:05 PM EST
    of people trying to hustle me into getting beyond the past.

    This is happening in my office right now, where a cluster of horrible personnel issues has been allowed to fester undisturbed for many months.  Rather than confront them, understand how systemic they are, and take steps to help people learn good communication skills -- we're told to get past it.

    If Obama thinks that his election means, ipso facto, that we've gotten past any of our national issues with race, he's deluded for the same reason my bosses are deluded when they tell me that not addressing a problem is the same as solving it.

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    Same old politics (5.00 / 9) (#13)
    by Manuel on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:55:57 AM EST
    ... Hillary Clinton and John McCain favor this dopey, irresponsible proposal, which would save individual motorists a grand total of $28, but which would result in $9 billion in lost tax revenues, much of it targeted for infrastructure needs.

    (Senator Clinton says she would recoup the losses with a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Don't hold your breath.)

    No one with a serious understanding of the nation's energy needs supports this foolishness. Senators Clinton and McCain have been assailed by editorial writers on the left and the right for pandering. Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City was stinging in his criticism, calling the proposal "about the dumbest thing" he'd heard in a long time.

    Herebert may as well be writing for the Obama campaign here.  That is why the reference to the Flowers affair was thrown in.  Here he lumps Clinton and McCain together throwing a dismissive aside about the difference in Clinton's plan.  There is no mention of the candidates long term plans.  There is no mention of an alternative.  There is no serious discussion just a desire to tear down Clinton and McCain and uphold Obama.  Herebert is doing the same thing Obama does.  Decrying the old politics while giving us more of the same.


    Herbert is sucked into the notion... (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by white n az on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:01:27 AM EST
    that Axelrod so clearly stated on NPR...that working class white voters don't vote for Democrats...they don't matter in their eyes.

    Does Herbert believe that too?

    Is Herbert so blindly parroting the Obama campaign line that he uncritically accepts whatever the campaign says?

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    If Working Class Whites Will Not Vote For Obama, (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:34:15 AM EST
    then we all might as well get use to the idea of President McCain.

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    arrg (none / 0) (#99)
    by moll on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:21:54 PM EST
       "No one with a serious understanding of the nation's energy needs supports this foolishness. Senators Clinton and McCain have been assailed by editorial writers on the left and the right for pandering. Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City was stinging in his criticism, calling the proposal "about the dumbest thing" he'd heard in a long time."

    Herebert may as well be writing for the Obama campaign here.  


    This makes me so mad - because the gas tax issue is quite obviously not about the energy issue. It is about poverty, not energy. And Herbert does not understand that poverty is a serious issue all on its own.

    The idea that he ought to care about the problems faced by working people is just alien to Herbert, and it's alient to Obama too - he and his wife just giggle about how they're poor too, ha ha ha, and they LIE about their experiences, and they whimper because ten grand just ain't enough for piano lessons where they come from, poor them. And BOOM! it is all okay, they have proved they are not elitists like Clinton (who admits she is rich).

    Arrg!

    To me, this is the difference between Obama and Clinton - Clinton is willing to make economic opportunity for working people an issue, when the majority of the Democratic party simply believes that if you stubbornly refuse to see it, it is not a problem. Which is yet one more way in which I am seeing them as more like Republicans than I would have thought possible.

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    nonsense (5.00 / 15) (#16)
    by Mike Pridmore on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:58:56 AM EST
    Bill Clinton tried hard to lose, with sex scandals and whatnot, during the 1992 campaign. But Ross Perot wouldn't let him. Mr. Clinton won with a piddling 43 percent of the vote. For eight years, Mr. Clinton tried to throw the presidency away (with sex scandals and whatnot), but he was never able to succeed.

    That's been it for the party for the past 40 years.

    Herbert goes out of his way to avoid saying the obvious: Bill Clinton has been the only two-term Democratic President since FDR.  He also goes out of his way to paint President Clinton as a failure.  Clinton had serious problems, but he was a winning politician who won by being successful.  He had the highest approval ratings of any modern president at the end of his second term and tied Reagan for career overall ratings.  Bill Clinton was a success.  And still is.  

    Is Obama A Democrat? (5.00 / 9) (#26)
    by Athena on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:07:38 AM EST
    Obama won't dare admit any successes by Clinton - which is an electoral ploy that is costly - wiping out the 1990's.  Obama's non-partisan schtick is indifferent to the point of absurdity.

    He can't admit the Dems are better - and were better!  What kind of candidate gets a nomination dissing his own party??


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    Why is Obama a Democrat? (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by misspeach2008 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:36:38 AM EST
    If you look at what we do know about Obama's policy positions, he has the look and feel of a Republican more often than a Democrat.  His own words tell us that he thinks that the Republicans are better at foreign policy, regulation of business, and many social issues. In my own opinion, I think that Obama found himself living in Chicago (maybe Michelle was the attraction?) when he was ready to begin his political career, and for a young black man there were more opportunities in the Democratic Party.  It was more expedient to become a Democrat.  I lived in the Republican Chicago burbs during the Carter administration, and unless there was a marked change between then and Obama's early days there, a move 10 to 20 miles north or west of the city would have given him far less support in either party. If you live in the city of Chicago, the Democratic Party is where it's at.

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    and I'm saying it again.... (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jackyt on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:22:55 PM EST
    Stealth "Unity Party" candidate.

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    dissing his own party (none / 0) (#123)
    by noholib on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:33:16 PM EST
    This is what has annoyed me greatly from the start.  I could not accept his recycling Republican-inspired Harry-and-Louise-themed ads from the 90s against Clinton's proposals for universal health care coverage.  To me that was and is simply unconscionable. I was not going to vote for a Democratic candidate in a primary who was so busy dissing Democrats but making nice to Republicans and independents.  
    To me, his post-partisan unity schtick has always sounded suspicious, and I think it means acquiescing one way or another to the partisan Republican agenda--because guess what, they're not singing a post-partisan tune.  
    Finally, unity is often a dangerous goal in politics.  It's much better to have well-defined, well-argued, prinicipled positions.  Then there can be room for compromise and manouevering, but not if you don't even define the positions in the first place.  Politics is about different and often conflicting interests.  That's fine.  We shouldn't be looking for a false unity.  Real politics involves the art of negotiating, deciding which issues are more important, which less important, who can be allies on some issues, who on others -- it certainly isn't about saying that partisan politics is always a dirty business, that Republicans and Democrats are equally to blame for the current dismal economic, military and diplomatic state of the country, and a pox on both your houses.  Except for Obama's self-serving desire to claim that anything a Clinton does or has done is terrible, it makes no sense for a Democratic candidate for President to speak repeatedly as if Reagan-Bush I was a good regime and Clinton-Bush II was a bad regime.  Really, it's outrageous that he's unwilling to link Reagan-Bush I-Bush II.  I do not hear him criticizing Republican policies -- especially economic and social policies -- and the damage they have wrought since 1980.  What does he criticize: the Iraq war (justifiably), and the only two-term Democratic administration since WW II,namely the Bill Clinton Presidency.  In my view, this false sloppy history is not going to serve the Democratic party well in the long run.

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    To heck with Bill Clinton's success (5.00 / 16) (#29)
    by Cream City on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:10:40 AM EST
    -- what Herbert doesn't get is that we succeeded with Bill.  We-the-people, millions moving out of poverty and into the middle class.  Now we have the middle class moving down to poverty, and we're supposed to count on the new man from hope.

    The first Man from Hope succeeded for us, not for himself.  Big difference, Bob Herbert.

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    This is exactly why Bill... (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:28:34 PM EST
    ...has been such a potent asset to Hillary's campaign: He can clearly articulate these facts on his "bubba tours" in rural areas.

    Among all the cognitive dissonances that have been on display during this campaign, the Obama-driven press narrative about Bill being an embarrassment to Hillary is at the top of the list. I've yet to see him booed or picketed at any of his appearances, and every news account I've read about his campaigning mentions--however grudgingly--how well received he is by the crowds.

    Voters aren't as stupid as Obama's campaign and the press think they are. They know the gold standard for presidencies when they see it.

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    'with sex scandals and whatnot' (5.00 / 6) (#46)
    by Ellie on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:47:13 AM EST
    Herbert repeats that twice (to support the false premise that WJC "tried to lose" the campaign and the eight years of the presidency), as tweaking and echoing TeamObama's self-congratulating BS charge that Sen Clinton is "divisive" because she is a target. (Obama will be just as "divisive" when his new BFF's at the Republican Palace turn the weaponry on him at full force.)

    Herbert also conveniently omits that Clinton had formidable personal and political skills, a substantial record, and considerable guts and fortitude to offset the attacks -- esp. those ever dangerous exploding whatnots (???).

    Additional tiny extraneous detail in campaign strategy: Clinton had his infamous Sistah Sold'jah photo op, but that doesn't approach TeamObama's idiotic self-defeating strategy of spending weeks to insult and deride the majority of voters and activist support Obama still needs to put him on the ticket as well as in office.

    The Obama campaign's capacity for self-defeat even before going head-to-head against the crowd that brought us the lowest rated, worst-performing administration in history may itself be historically unprecedented.

    I'm torn. I don't know whether to watch this with popcorn handy or a barf bag.

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    you said it (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by moll on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:31:54 PM EST
    Herbert goes out of his way to avoid saying the obvious: Bill Clinton has been the only two-term Democratic President since FDR.  He also goes out of his way to paint President Clinton as a failure.  Clinton had serious problems, but he was a winning politician who won by being successful.  He had the highest approval ratings of any modern president at the end of his second term and tied Reagan for career overall ratings.  Bill Clinton was a success.  And still is.

    This is the identifying mark of someone who is willing to throw away integrity to hop into bed with Obama: rewriting history to make Clintons into incompetent villains.

    Slam the Democrats. Praise the Republicans.

    I am not likely to forgive Obama for what he has done to destroy Democratic party credibility, and especially his trashing of the Clintons. Bill Clinton was a popular and successful President, and now he has been rewritten into something no better than Bush.

    I do not want 'change'. Especially when it means 'changing' the Democratic party into something more like the Republican party.

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    Well, here' s the problem for Obama: (5.00 / 14) (#17)
    by Anne on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:58:57 AM EST
    if the media is to stop flogging the Wright debacle, and shift to real issues, doesn't that highlight that Obama doesn't have - as Herbert said in his earlier piece - much meat on his rhetorical bones?

    I think part of Obama's problem is that the way he structured his message to appeal to the American people - the hope, the unity, the change, the "new kind of candidate," the semi-revivalist rallies, the "yes we can" - long on "trust me" and short on specifics - was already reminding people too much of a religious message, such that it is very hard for them to stop thinking about the influence of Wright, regardless of Obama's attempt to distance himself.

    He does not have the ability Clinton does to talk about policy with as much fluidity and interest and excitement - it's not necessarily fair, but she can do that in the same conversational way that people discuss what happened on American Idol this week - which connects with voters - and his attempts remind people of that economics course they took in college, or that history teacher they had in high school, that was so boring there was a contest to keep count of how many times he said "uh" and for how long he could draw out the word "and."

    He's painted himself into a corner.

    Yes, Obama needs a new stump speech (5.00 / 11) (#31)
    by Cream City on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:15:42 AM EST
    to make news and move it off Wright.  But the only new thing I've heard from Obama this week is no, we can't to relief from soaring prices for consumers -- and a new speech about . . . him, his childhood, how he was poor but the other candidates were raised in riches.  Yeh, that's why he went to a private prep school and Clinton went to public school.  

    But more important, he is not the important thing to talk about in this economy.  He's a millionaire.  It's about us and how we can even hope to make a tenth of that by the time we retire.  If we can retire.  I really think that he doesn't grasp that reality today.  Clinton does.  

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    Obama still thinks that the way to get people (5.00 / 13) (#38)
    by Anne on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:27:18 AM EST
    off the Wright story is to get back to his own story - and he fails to understand that Wright is - by Obama's own doing - part and parcel of his story.

    What Obama doesn't seem able or willing to do is make this about the American people, and while it is true that a gas tax holdiay, for example, won't save people much money even over a couple of months, he fails to understand that for a lot of people the "pennies" are in such short supply these days that every little bit helps - treating those pennies like chump change makes the people for whom it matters feel like he thinks they are chumps.  

    How tone deaf is that?

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    Hillary's changed hers some (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by nycstray on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:39:59 AM EST
    Not to go too OT, but they just showed her breaking out her gas tax plan/long term plans very clearly and responding to Obama's criticism. And also backing up helping people in the now, etc.

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    Exactly. HRC said yes, we can lower costs (5.00 / 7) (#47)
    by Cream City on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:52:11 AM EST
    at the gas pump that also are causing inflation in other parts of the people's budgets -- even if only enough for one more bag of groceries.  That's a lot right now to a lot of folks.

    And HRC is talking about the voters, not about herself.

    I understand why Axelrove is telling Obama to talk about himself, because they're trying to kill the elitist image that he created for himself.  But that ship sailed a month ago -- a long, hard month of ever less consumer confidence against ever more job loss and inflation in gas and food costs.  Now is not the time for a millionaire to talk about himself.

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    Obama Has Another Problem IMO (5.00 / 15) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:22:03 AM EST
    when he moves away from his "feel good" message he tends to say things that many hard core Dems don't agree with and do not like coming out of the mouth of a Democratic candidate for president.

    Putting Social Security on the table is not a way to win over many Democratic voters. Praising Reagan as an iconic leader and thrashing Clinton is not a way to win over many Democratic voters. Saying he will adopt a foreign policy like Reagan and BushI and have Republicans in the positions of Sec. of Defense and State is not a way to win over many Democratic voters. Saying that Republicans have better ideas on government regulations and schools is not a way to win over many Democratic voters. Being extremely wishy washy on choice is not a way to win over many Democratic voters. Putting down white working class people in small towns for the amusement of upper class SF donors is not a way to win over many Democratic voters.

    In fact, not only do these actions not win over Democrats, they erode trust that he supports the same Democratic agenda as they do.

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    Amen (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:42:04 AM EST
    I understand politically why Hillary is staying away from the SS issue.  She's already got those votes.

    If she brings it up?  Watch the thundering herds of little ole ladies and men as they vote in McCain.

    I couldn't believe the Reagan speech, either.  First, it was such a clear example of his lack of straightforward talk.  LOL*  Convoluted?  Tortured fits better.  I had to read the transcript a few times to nail it down in my head.

    But that was just so dumb.  Reagan is probably the one word you can say that triggers off the traditional Dem. rant.  They can't hear another word after his name is spoken. :)

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    While Obama And The MSM Want To Make (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:03:34 PM EST
    everything about race, Obama's fixation on Reagan is IMO one of the reasons he does poorly among older Dem voters. We lived as adults through the Reagan years, we thoroughly dislike the man and his policies and thought that he behaved in a criminal manner in Iraq/Contra. If Obama was white, his praise of Reagan would not fly with older AAs either. They are aware that Reagan won his election with the aid of white supremacists and he tried to roll back much of the civil rights legislation.

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    My first reaction to reading his energy policy (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by dotcommodity on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:15:34 PM EST
    was this is a puppet candidacy.

    Because, once you read past the pretty talk like a Democrat about 80% below 1990 by 2050 etc: when you get into the meat and potatoes of the plan, he continues all the expensive boondoggles of Bush clean energy policy (nukes, ethanol + clean coal),

    The worst is his false claims that he is responsible for all the Democratic bills we passed (or failed to) last year, like PTC, RPS for utilities, 100% auction of permits etc.

    Um NO!

    He is not even on the energy or environment committees, (Clinton is on Boxers environment committee) where these bills are written.

    100% auctioned permits for Cap and Trade was a Clinton/Sanders amendment.

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    understatement even (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by moll on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:41:25 PM EST
    In fact, not only do these actions not win over Democrats, they erode trust that he supports the same Democratic agenda as they do.

    Or even that his agenda qualifies as Democratic.

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    MO -Obama Has Another Problem (none / 0) (#124)
    by noholib on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:36:58 PM EST
    Well well said.  Absolutely on target.

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    Thank you (5.00 / 8) (#18)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:59:35 AM EST
    Clinton wins an Issues based campaign.

    Why do I have to keep pointing out that Obama started talking about the Lincoln Bedroom on day 1?  And is still attacking Clinton's character every day with his "Nader Campaign Trademarked" "takes money from lobbyists" talking point.

    But I'll try to add, if only to deviate slightly from my typical comment, and at least dig a little deeper, a lot of this depends on what you consider to be an issues based campaign.  

    I mean, if one considers Character an issue proper in and of itself, then all these things really do all come into play.

    Clinton does really have to fall on her sword with respect to misspeaking about sniper fire.

    Which she did, of course.

    And of course, we can point out yet again, that the double standard always exists in the mind of the Obama supporter.

    Character really is a legitimate ISSUE (it's an issue's based campaign) for them when it comes to Clinton, but if one ever talks about that issue with respect to Obama, there's a huge problem, and Obama himself starts whining about the usual stuff.  Soundbytes.  Gotcha questions.

    And then he looks America straight in the face and claims he always wanted to talk about real issues.


    The line is (5.00 / 4) (#65)
    by lilburro on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:39:08 AM EST
    "I would be happy to have that debate..."  He often uses it in debates to dismiss questions in debates.  Or, he used to.  Back when he did debates.

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    If a tree falls in the forest.... (none / 0) (#87)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:17:03 PM EST
    If Obama lies and Obamedia doesn't report it...

    Obama went around the country telling a tale about the Kennedys bringing his father to America. WaPo exposed the lie over a month ago, but we don't see those lying videos on Obamedia.

    Hillary did embellish the Tuzla landing, but there was some truth to the danger in a war zone. Subsequently, she faced the public and admitted she misspoke.
    otoh - after WaPo exposed Obama's lie about his father and the Kennedys, his campaign simply released a press statement saying he'd "erred."
    Crickets from Obamedia.

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    When Obamedia Become MCMedia All The Items (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:32:47 PM EST
    that were buried on page A-23 or got 2 seconds of TV coverage, will suddenly be rediscovered and analyzed thoroughly.    

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    Obama the victim of insert target (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Salt on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:59:59 AM EST
    of the day, isn't helping him, his surrogate have done him no favor this pattern of communication of poor Obama helpless victim to every innate object over and over and over has painted him as not having the strength to lead the country.  I question any poll showing him still in the game, I am hearing the opposite nice guy but ....good lesson to other Pols grievance gets old when in the spot light and all cuts go two ways, while moving AA to him non AA have moved away and wont return IMO.  

    And Al Sharptons threats are reckless in that they will serve to isolate AA's politically and harm the community Clyburn might want to focus on that vs his hit tune Clinton as racist I believe he knows where the greater harm to the community lies and if he dose not then he should not be in a Congressional leadership position, IMO not a good thing.


    politics is (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by sas on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:16:45 AM EST
    rough and tumble too

    Check this out from yesterday on mydd

    http://mydd.com/story/2008/5/2/22818/72392

    Just to add (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:17:53 AM EST
    The danger here, from a totally big picture perspective, is to re-inforce the conservative mindset that nothing good can come from politics/government.

    None of this stupidity (or at least very little) appears to transpire behind the closed doors of the corporate board room.

    Now of course, that door is closed, so what do we really know about it?

    Point is, is the private sector less stupid?  


    Stupidity (5.00 / 13) (#39)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:30:47 AM EST
    has been obvious in this primary, but I disagree with where his eyes are pointing.

    Stupidity to me is when supposed political analysts repeat gossip, then come out and say the gossip turned out to be false, and then repeat the nonsense next week.  That stupidity I've seen over the course of the primary.  

    Stupidity is when someone endorses bi-partisanship and raves about Obama's words.  Meanwhile turns around and blasts Hillary for actually winning over her former Republican enemies and cannot see the contradiction in their own position.  

    Stupidity is when Obama spends 80% of his campaign energy on negative ads and speeches that villify Hillary, and some political analyst writes an editorial saying it's time for Obama to "get tough."  

    Stupidity is when you can't give an inch, even when it's obvious.  Obama DID parade his grandmother as a racist in that speech.  Not good.  He DID dig at Ferarro in that speech.  Not good.  He DID treat his pastor in the same way he treated PA voters in his bitter comment.  Not good.  And because the topic was about race, the silly people raced to their computers to discuss how it would be taught in schools as a great American speech?  Lordy, I hope not.  He violated cardinal rules right and left in that speech.

    Finally, stupidity is thinking that something as fundamental as the way he handled the Wright issue, not just in the campaign but all along in his life, is NOT an issue reflecting Obama's character and, therefore, will be a topic of discussion for voters.

    Now, that's really stupid.

    I can only think that some of these writers have fallen into thinking that the "power of the pen" is mighty.  His call for journalists to kill the story is telling.

    That's a mistake.  Words do not wield power.  Ideas do.  

    If it's the right idea at the right moment.

    Good writing! (none / 0) (#105)
    by hitchhiker on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:40:32 PM EST
    And solid content.  Thank you!

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    Irony, Obama and culture wars (5.00 / 5) (#41)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:39:34 AM EST
    This campaign is full of irony.  Obama's whole post racial and post culture wars of the 60's mantra will be the two things that undo him.

     I just watched the video of the guy who as a child his house was bombed by the Weather underground.  Like the Wright tape ti gives a different flavor to the Ayers story.  When people start seeing this guy on tv telling that story, there is no way Obama will be elected president.  

     I frankly did not give a hoot about that one, but at the core is the issue of Ayers and his group advocating violence.  I know that we are not supposed to do guilt by association, but Obama got virtues by his association with Ayers and Wright, connections, social status etc.  Now in my eyes, you cannot pick and choose.  

    What all the moaning about this issue dominating the campaign misses is that Obama's campaign was the narrative.  The story of his life.  How he got to where he is.  Well, the story can be managed in a book, but when there are other people involved things are not tidy.  You cannot make them behave.  

    I saw Greta last night talking to that guy (none / 0) (#48)
    by katiebird on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:54:37 AM EST
    And I was really glad that she ended the show by saying that she wanted to talk to Ayers to get his side of the story.  

    I hope she does.  

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    I'm trying to imagine if this was Clinton (none / 0) (#59)
    by dianem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:18:18 AM EST
    If one of her prominent supporters was a ... well, a former terrorist. That's what Ayers is. He isn't in jail only because of the mistakes of others (prosecutors), not because he is innocent in any way. I'm glad that he has built a life for himself, but I've found no evidence that he is sorry for his past actions.

    Heck... if this was even McCain it would be big news.   When you think of how much fuss is made if a political contributer is tainted in any way, it would seem that having an admitted former terrorist as a major supporter would be a serious error for any campaign.  Obama can't even say that Ayers paid his due to society - he didn't.

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    He's got to push to clear Ayers & Dohrn (none / 0) (#62)
    by katiebird on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:33:22 AM EST
    He keeps talking about not taking money from Oil Companies.  But, McCain (or outside groups) could come right back and say that he's taken (granted in the past) money from domestic terrorists.

    His claim that it all happened when he was a child or that they have respectable jobs now isn't going to counter that label.

    But, can they clear their reputations?

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    Obama does not take money from lobbyists (none / 0) (#66)
    by Manuel on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:39:18 AM EST
    Just endorsements.

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    How the (none / 0) (#92)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:34:11 PM EST
    heck do you clear their reputations? They admit what they did, say they don't regret it, and he said he wished he'd bombed more.

    Let's face it, our government is holding a lot of people at Guantanamo Bay that have done far less than Ayers and Dorn.

    I was taught that you are judged by the company you keep. I should think that keeping company with domestic terrorists would be a no-no for anyone aspiring to the presidency of the United States. Silly me.

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    the answer is they can't. (none / 0) (#95)
    by hellothere on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:53:57 PM EST
    they are unrepentant terrorists. read his book. track down their public comments. rev wright and ayers both stand by their past declarations and feelings which is more than i see in obama.

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    I'm sure a 527 already has put together (none / 0) (#122)
    by lookoverthere on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:32:21 PM EST
    an Obama smear ad featuring the police officer paralyzed by a Weather Underground bombing.

    And another featuring Rev. Wright's comments about Natalee Holloway followed by her mom.

    Then Rezko's slums with Sen. Obama's letter of support to give him more public money.

    They'll name the whole campaign: With Friends Like These.

    Is it to early for liquor? I guess it is in Guam.

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    Bob Herbert... (5.00 / 4) (#50)
    by OrangeFur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:58:18 AM EST
    ... has a full-blown case of Obamamania and a pretty serious case of CDS as well.

    I gave up on him after he cited a single anonymous blog comment as evidence that the alleged Clinton race-baiting program was working. He also described Hillary's 60 Minutes interview ("Is Obama Muslim?" "Of course not.") as evidence of her evil.

    It's too bad. I remember when he actually wrote good stuff, as with the Tulia cases.

    In many ways his case is more tragic than that of Josh Marshall, given how much more Herbert contributed before he lost his mind.

    Fallout (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:02:46 AM EST
    So many columnists, bloggers and pundits have shown their weaknesses.  I think now we will question many if not all their positions.  Maybe it's good, make them earn their keep.  

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    I'm personally ... (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by OrangeFur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:10:11 AM EST
    ... in the process of re-evaluating my view of the entire Democratic Party establishment--the elected leaders, the lefty punditry, etc. I'll try to do it more fully after the primary season is over.

    I'm not changing my liberal views, but I am beginning to question how much the party and its associates are really invested in what I thought were key Democratic values.

    Has a single superdelegate for Obama, for example, commented on his deficient health care plan, and his scorched earth campaign against universal health care? Only Paul Krugman seems offended that Obama would say that Republicans have better ideas than Democrats on a whole host of issues.

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    I also am re-evaluating (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by Dr Molly on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:41:16 AM EST
    Trying not to be too kneejerk or reactionary, but I am taking a close look at what my assumptions have been about the party over the years.

    I feel like the party right now is dominated by libertarian-thinking guys (sexism is apparently acceptable now), some AA's who think it's OK to use racial bullying to win (you wouldn't believe my neighbors lately and the kind of talk I've been hearing in my local democratic party - so dispiriting), and some pretty immature thinkers. I know that's not nice, but that's how I feel. I don't seem to fit there anymore. They don't even pretend to care about the big tent anymore - Latinos not important, older voters not important, etc. I don't like the tribal philosophy that seems to be coming prevalent.

    I'm not claiming I'm going to have a fit and not vote for Obama, but I do think it's reasonable to ask the question whether I philosophically fit with this party anymore. I think the answer is no.

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    Yup. (5.00 / 6) (#84)
    by OrangeFur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:12:37 PM EST
    I've been a real apologist for the Democratic leadership over the last few years. I made excuses for them when they caved in repeatedly on Iraq war funding, or when they allowed various judges to be confirmed, or many of the times they refused to force the issue with Bush. These were tactical concessions, I argued, to preserve the majority so we can fight hard for the important things, even as the things they conceded became more and more important themselves.

    But now it hits me. That they surrender on these things makes it more likely, not less, that they'll surrender on other things. Maybe our Democratic politicians are just like Republican politicians--interested in maintaining power first, and doing things second. Given a choice between mounting a high-stakes battle for universal health care and sitting quietly while bemoaning the problem and blaming the Republicans, our leadership will choose the second, every time. No wonder the GOP seems to be as effective in the minority as they were in the majority.

    I think Hillary Clinton scares the hell out of them. She'll go to the White House and demand that they actually wake up and fight. She'll want them to take on the Republicans the same way she took on Bill O'Reilly. She'll demand they fight for universal health care. She'll demand they actually do something about the housing crisis. She'll demand they do something about the budget and the economy, like she and Bill Clinton did in 1993.

    They'd rather deal with the Republicans the way Obama handled Chris Wallace. By agreeing that the Republicans have better ideas on a whole host of issues. By avoiding confrontation for fear of losing. By offending as few people as possible so as to hold on to power.

    That's not the kind of party I want to support.

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    I began to reevaluate my relationship with the (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:28:09 PM EST
    party in 07 before the primaries began. The fall back defense for all of their timid, capitulation actions was always that they did not want to do anything that would jeopardize their chances winning the WH in 08. To me, that whole argument was shake to begin with and has been proven utterly false during the primaries. The political leaders in the party were not timid when deciding to start a power war within the party during a critical election year.  They weren't timid but overly aggressive in punishing two critical states needed to win the WH. IMO they will nominate Obama even if it is apparent that he will lose the WH. D@mn the torpedos and full speed ahead no matter how it might effect winning the WH.

    I have run out of excuses for the Democratic Party and have become an independent. While I will not vote Republican, Obama and the party will have to win my vote in November.

     

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    re-evaluation (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by noholib on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:47:58 PM EST
    I too know that there is a lot of re-thinking to do when this is all over.  The so-called "progressives" leave a lot to be desired.  Thank you very much: I still prefer the good old-fashioned designation "liberal."  People have got caught up in a wave of enthusiasm for a good-looking younger person and a desire for the new, and somehow they think they can wish problems away, absolve this country of its problems with race and racism with one simple vote, and solve many problems just by wishing for hope and change.  Well, things don't work that way. Besides this lack of hard-headed thinking,I have been especially dismayed and disgusted by the sexism and misogyny now front and center throughout this campaign. What kind of new league of women voters do we need?  That's a question I will be pondering.

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    Ditto for me (none / 0) (#72)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:44:29 AM EST
    But I'm officially Independent.

    I feel as though it's a bit like when I bought a Miata at age 39.  :)

    I'm playing "Beach Boys" over here pretending I still like them.

    But......it has really made me feel a lot better.  I can't stand the tension, frankly.  I was getting to mad at Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc.

    Enough of that!  Life is too short.

    I'm joining the Independents.  Let someone woo me for a change.

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    I think (none / 0) (#125)
    by Jane in CA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:43:37 PM EST
    we can send a pretty poweful message to the Democratic party if all of us who have been disenfranchised by our party wait, and re-register as Independents at the same time.

    I did some rough calculations, and if all of the 33 percent of Dems who are saying they will not vote for Obama re-register as Independent, the dems would lose about 18 percent of their base in CA.  That would make the number of Independents (DTS) roughly equal to the Repubs, and push the Democratic party into third place in one of their most solid states.

    I think that might be the only way to get their attention.

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    Good idea (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Dr Molly on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:58:05 PM EST
    I'd like to be part of sending a powerful message like that. Because, for me at least, I'm more upset with the party than I am with Obama. I'll still vote for Obama if he is the nominee, but I don't have to be a democrat to do that.

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    The first part... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by OrangeFur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:25:17 PM EST
    ... of me sending a message is withholding my donations to various official Democratic Party organs, esp. the DNC. I may target donations to individual candidates (Hillary!), but I'm not giving to the DCCC or DSCC again until they show me they deserve it.

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    and Hillary, too, remember! (none / 0) (#116)
    by jackyt on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:36:16 PM EST
    Frankly (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:16:46 AM EST
    a lot of them have no business passing themselves off as political observers.  That's the market at work.  Nobody wants to "bore" the viewers with mere news anymore.

    It's all about opinion, and like all opinions, each one of has one just like we've all got a bellybutton.

    The disappointment for me has been in the actual argumentation skill of most of the writers.  Geeze, I'd have given a lot of the editorials a C in an English 101 class, citing poor examples as the reason.

    That goes for some of the pro-Hillary writers, too.

    There have some real gems of thoughtful pieces, however, so I've decided that's what to look for and enjoy.  Perhaps a small percentage of really great editorial pieces is worth all the trash.

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    One of the problems of pushing your (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Florida Resident on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:07:12 AM EST
    candidate towards Sainthood is that when the human in him/her comes out it looks worse than it really is.  We all new who Bubba was so no matter what the MSM and Repugs said about him we just chuckled and kept on experiencing the good life.  Will the Obama people be able to WORM their way into winning the GE if dirty laundry keeps coming out.  My experience with their TP's and whining has been that it won't sell with my neighbors and your average voter.  They tend to over explain and expect people to just believe that they know better.

    Are some Democrats to be trusted? (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by lily15 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:12:17 AM EST
    I think the issue of who is a real Democrat is most important.  Steny Hoyer is trying to pass FISA, as was Harry Reid and Rockefeller.  Rockefeller pushed FISA forward and Reid let his plan move forward.

    At this juncture, I would assume that Hillary threatens the corporate interests that many Democrats are really beholden to.  Pelosi has been very ineffective and so has Reid.  So why do Democrats choose ineffective leaders or ones without backbones?  Who votes for them? And what does this tell us? Daschle was one of the worst majority leaders.  He enabled Bush and was little help to Clinton.  And he supports Obama of course and is part of Obama's inner circle.  

    The truth of the matter may be that certain Democrats are not true Democrats and Obama is a type of trojan horse.  He certainly has a lot of power and money behind him for someone so inexperienced and weak.  Because ultimately, Obama comes across as weak and elitist...he accomplished little as a state senator and certainly didn't  leave the State Senate known as a leader.  Obama was a tool manipulated by a group of backers who have a lot of power with the Democratic elite...and they ran a slick marketing campaign.  Obama is their front man. Clinton's mistake was to initially not grasp this as the real threat that it was.  But in the process, she has stood out as the only one competent enough and ready to be President...and the people are saying so despite a media and power elite lined up against her.  This has been some spectacle that should make us question all of our previous assumptions.

    Here is what I believe to be a crucial truth (5.00 / 5) (#80)
    by RalphB on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:03:28 PM EST
    At this juncture, I would assume that Hillary threatens the corporate interests that many Democrats are really beholden to.

    I absolutely know of no reason, other than this one, to explain the support of the DC elite for Obama.  Even going back to when Bill was president, the DC democrats provided him with little support for his programs.  IMHO that's one of the main reasons they lost the congress in 1994.  They wouldn't stand up for anything, so they fell for nothing.

    If you remember UHC, in the form of HillaryCare, was not defeated by republicans alone.  They had a lot of help from democrats like Jim Cooper from TN, who is now one of Obama's main health care advisors.

    This democratic party is not the party of FDR, it's more another party of CitiGroup.  How to change that, without a mass exodus, I don't know.

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    It Is Also A Power Struggle Within The Party (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:08:55 PM EST
    with politicians determining they will have more personal power and influence with Obama than with Clinton. CW is that Clinton will bring her normal crew with her and there will be less chance for some of the pols to obtain positions of power. Then there is the money. Obama has proven to be a powerful money making machine and they want some of that pot.

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    I totally agree. Democrats lost Congress (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by lily15 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:15:40 PM EST
    because they never got behind Bill.  They deserved what they got...wimps is what they were then and now.  And it is a total lie that Bill was responsible for their loss of Congress.  It was their failure to unite behind him that did them in.

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    Amen! (none / 0) (#88)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:23:14 PM EST
    And it takes more than 1 president to really change things.

    Bill did a great job.

    But if we could get one more real solid Pro-People into the White House......

    That would turn the tide in the country.

    I'm convinced.

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    1 more people first president (none / 0) (#119)
    by RalphB on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:44:01 PM EST
    could sure make a big difference.  I'm hoping against hope that we'll get one.

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    and the coat tails question? (none / 0) (#96)
    by hellothere on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    with obama as the candidate, just how well will the dems do in the congressional elections?

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    And what difference (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:02:24 PM EST
    will it make if Obama is the candidate and does win the GE and doesn't fight tooth and nail for Democratic Principals? Has anyone seen any sign that he'll fight for anything? Has there been any indication that he's a fighter?

    It may make some people happy if a Democrat is once more ensconced in the White House. But once there, unless said Democratic President is willing to take on all those that put their interests above the interests of the country and it's citizens what will be the point? We need someone in the White House to do more than "house sit" until another tenant comes along.

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    i agree with you 100%. (none / 0) (#132)
    by hellothere on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:28:41 PM EST
    my concerns about obama have grown from irriation with the way his supporters treated others to dislike for his campaign tactics but most important no confidence he will do anything for the average american or america in general. you make excellent points.

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    Expose them every day (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by lily15 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:43:10 AM EST
    Pick up some thread of Bob Somersby's and amplify it.  Only by creating an echo chamber or our viewpoints do we succeed.(and this blog is in fact becoming a leading voice...one of the few places to regain one's sanity)  We know the blogs that we can trust and the ones we cannot. Others do too.  Reputations are being created as we speak.  By the way, does anyone remember when Joe Klein was an object of ridicule in the liberal blogsphere? Markos had a target on him.  Not anymore.  Well, ever since he's been spouting the Obama line, no attacks on him...because he's joined them.  But what a whore and a tool he has been and is.  

    Anyway, I do think we should start a "tip" line to discover who is paying off whom and for how much.

    My favorite (5.00 / 5) (#107)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:54:05 PM EST
    wisdom from Somerby is:

    Human nature being what it is, you can't run a middle-class democracy with a multimillionaire press corps.

    In those few words I think he nails our Corporate Media shills to the barn-door.

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    Because much of this is about money (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by lily15 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:57:08 AM EST
    Remember the story in the beginning about how much Obama was giving to congresscritters?  Shouldn't there be a way for us to discover their latest ploys?  I think it is about money...the passing around of money...How much money has the Obama campaign passed around to super delegates?  And does that trump actually winning the Presidency?  And is there some narrative where politicians can be paid to lose?  Scary yes.  Weak yes.  But strong Democrats have been in short supply.  Why is that? I understand the Democrats make up a diverse group.  But does that necessarily translate into weak?

    Interesting development internationally.  The mayor of London Ken Livingstone, is a revered left elite...he was crushed by the conservatives after 8 years in his post...Gordon Brown's party was humiliated.  And Labour is representative of a  liberal elite mindset.  Same thing in Italy recently.  

    Here is a link to the PAC page.. (none / 0) (#109)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:01:18 PM EST
    Tell how much Hillary and Obama have given to various people..

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    Understanding how stupid politics really (4.80 / 5) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:06:18 AM EST
    is has been what the past few years for me have been all about.  I was raised to be active in politics but only time and maturing to an age where I truly care about what our political policies are have brought me to the crossroads of grasping how largely stupid politics really is.  You have to play though to get anywhere so just embrace that things become stupid OFTEN and get on with getting done what needs done.  You still remain the least stupid political blogger in my book though.

    A lot of things (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:56:38 PM EST
    that I found mystefying about the Democratic Party and their politics were answered by this post by anglachel.

    The Whiteness of the whale
    By anglachel 05/02/08
    http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/05/whiteness-of-whale.html#comments

    To me it explains a lot of things I simply could not understand


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    You say (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:30:24 AM EST
    Obama understood the choice he made.
    Am I correct in reading an implicit juxtaposition here (i.e., that Herbert does not?)

    I have to admit that it's interesting to see the smart NYT columnists (Herbert, Collins, and Krugman) grapple with this race. Collins was pretty good today after a mediocre run, I thought.

    I know this (none / 0) (#11)
    by mikeyleigh on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:52:18 AM EST
    is off topic, but can somebody tell me why both CNN and the Washington Post are saying the delegate number to clinch is 2025.  Have the Democrats made this number official and I just missed it?  Or is the MSM just assuming something?

    It's an extrapolation (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by wurman on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:20:13 AM EST
    If you throw out the FL & MI delegations, then there are 4048 delegates that may be seated at the convention.  Fifty percent of that number + one yields the "magical, mystical, mysterious" 2025.

    It has no basis in fact, as BTD has noted in several comments.  The Credentials Committee will decide which delegates are seated at the convention & whether FL & MI get some presence.  This is very likely why Sen. Clinton will go all the way to the convention floor regardless of any delegate totals.

    Again, as BTD has noted, if Sen. Obama did manage to attain 2209 (the majority of the genuine 4416 delegates), it's likely that Sen. Clinton would put her campaign on hold--just to stop spending the money.  A first-ballot win for Sen. Obama would be inevitable, credentials decison or not, if he had 2209.  He doesn't.  It probably can't be done.

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    All media have removed FL and MI (none / 0) (#27)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:08:27 AM EST
    from the delegate number.

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    The Real Number (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Athena on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:20:14 AM EST
    Doesn't mean that we have to, as this blog has pointed out.

    What's the real number - as if the whole country mattered?

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    The question is how do we proceed knowing this? (none / 0) (#60)
    by lily15 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:27:11 AM EST
    Markos began changing his tune radically after Newsweek hired him.  Bob Somerby charts every day the story of "not really" a liberal media...but a paid off one.  He is now saying it very clearly...that not only has the media been bought off...it is actively working against our interests.  And either some of the blogosphere has been bought off or bamboozled.  It is a combination.  

    We must now be directing our antipathy at those in the media who are knowingly responsible for pushing false memes and weak candidates.  Bob Somerby is more known this election season (at least to me) but what he says now with more fervor is important.  The liberal pundits and press have been paid off and are moles.  We must not only internalize this reality but we must create a strategy to fight it.  Isn't it strange that all of the new liberal talk radio is against Hillary?

    Something happened...and it was no accident.  NOw what do we do to expose it every day.  Because the critique must include double agents and the craven whores.  The intellectual dishonesty we have seen in this campaign is shocking...and it poses a long term risk to democracy.  Maybe a realigning is going on...I just hope it is not too late..and that working people get what is happening...get that the Democratic elite is trying to stuff Obama down every Democratic throat regardless of democratic principles.  The failure to revote Florida and Michigan is an example of this.  The decision to take all of their delegates away instead of 50% is an example of this.  There is a toxic, stupid, and weak leadership that we have empowered unwittingly.  So what do we do about it?
    And how?  

    the media did the same in 2000 (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Josey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:26:22 PM EST
    nitpicking Gore and allowing empty suit Bush to sail through.
    The media sold us Bush in 2000, the Iraq War - and now Obama - ensuring the "changes" made in Washington will still place corporate interest over the people's interest.
    Obama has fooled many people - but he couldn't have done it without the help of the DC establishment and Media.

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    Ignore (none / 0) (#64)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:38:10 AM EST
    them.  Credibility for these guys is no different than in my own or anyone's personal life.  Hard-won, easily lost....and you don't get it back.

    When people stop checking blogs that publish rumors and gossip as news, then those sources will dry up or become havens for the nutcases.  National Enquirer hasn't done too bad with that niche market.

    Ditto for crappy political blogs.  They'll become an embarassment to cite.

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    Yeah, it's pretty funny: Markos is the (none / 0) (#97)
    by MarkL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:03:38 PM EST
    mirror image of Rove, but with 1/10th the brains.

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    You Give Kos Too Much Credit...He Has (none / 0) (#115)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:33:34 PM EST
    become everything he used to rail against.  And he certainly can turn ugly when you don't agree with him.  The ugly trait is one shared by about 80% of the obamaphiles, that I suspect are very young and full of themselves

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    That really insulted Rove :-) (none / 0) (#118)
    by RalphB on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:40:16 PM EST
    "Challenge for working press" (none / 0) (#113)
    by LHinSeattle on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:18:04 PM EST
    to focus on issues. Gee, a few paragraphs up, didn't he say it was the candidate who is supposed to do that with innovative ideas?

    Now it's the press' fault.
    Again.

    Anyone's but the candidate if the candidate is Obama.

    sigh.

    Bob Herbert (none / 0) (#120)
    by zyx on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:49:00 PM EST
    with all due respect, has never exactly been a rocket scientist.