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I'm leaving for downtown and then the Pepsi Center. I'll have my i-phone and my Flip tv Mino video recorder but no laptop. I'll post my results later tonight.

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    Lunch.... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:08:35 PM EST
    whoever invented cold cuts is a genius...I'd love to shake their hand.  I could eat 'em everyday.

    Gotta be Boar's Head brand though...a little more expensive but you can taste the difference...and gotta be sliced super extra thin, so thin that when you hold up the slice of ham or salami you can see through it.  Manifique!

    I used to hate cold cuts (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:15:17 PM EST
    I discovered the secret ingredient is potato chips.  It adds the necessary crunch.  Iceberg lettuce could work if it is made right before eating, but chips work best for packing the lunch in advance.

    Although I am more of a PB&J person myself.  With the crunchy PB of course.

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    Ooh. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by liminal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:20:18 PM EST
    Tuna fish salad sandwich w/potato chips on the sandwich.  Yum.

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    No Creamy with Grape Jelly Not Jam! (none / 0) (#13)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:20:23 PM EST
    Poor misguided taste buds :) (none / 0) (#15)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:22:19 PM EST
    Definitely crunchy with Rasberry Jam, lots of seeds.  Gotta have good bread too, none of the wonder cr@p...   Mmmmmm...

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    There's another bread (none / 0) (#55)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:07:55 PM EST
    Other than Wonder. Impossible

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    Get a nice loaf... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:32:29 PM EST
    of real-deal italian or french bread...crunchy on the outside, soft on the inside.  Not the mushy all around, loaded with preservatives crap that passes for bread in alotta places.

    Funny, I don't like peanut butter or PB&J, yet I like Reese's peanut butter cups.  Got another...I can't stand mayo on a sandwich, but I like chicken and tuna salad.  Go figure:)

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    Nah, can't stand that crispy-crunchy- (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:40:21 PM EST
    on-the-outside bread. It cuts my gums all to h@ll. I'm usually eat some fruit for lunch when I eat lunch, otherwise I'm falling asleep by 2pm...

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    I take it you don't like the end piece.... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:48:17 PM EST
    of an italian bread...that's the piece my family used to fight over...and I've eaten at people's houses where they throw the end piece away!  Blasphemy!

    Fruit for lunch sarc?  I'm a firm believer in no meat, no meal:)

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    Gotta keep my girlish figure... (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:53:50 PM EST
    It's all about the bread (none / 0) (#45)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:55:35 PM EST
    I agree bread is key.  I kinda prefer the heartier loaves that are real thick, my current favorite is the "when pgs fly" bread.  Good stuff.

    If you like reese's, you might like PB & nutella.  Chocolate and peanut butter is one of those special combinations that complement each other perfectly.

    I need some mayo on cold cuts, too dry otherwise.  But not too much or else it won't be crunchy enough.  In case you couldn't tell, I'm a texture person.  It's why I never got down with mushrooms.

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    The only mushrooms I will eat.. (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:28:32 PM EST
    are the ones that lead to 4 hours of laughing your arse off:)

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    ...what you had for lunch... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:49:20 PM EST
    Bagel with lox/dill schmear.  mmmm....

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    Carl Buttock (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:24:01 PM EST
    yummy thread :=}

    When I was in college my roommate had a jones for Carl Budding. I called it Carl Buttock because it was so yucko-stinko in so much as it's barely even meat...it's some sort of meat PRODUCT, essence of meat.

    Then one day I had very little cash (College, of course, does that to all of us) and  was starvin'like'marvin so I reluctantly reached out for the Carl Budding. I slapped a few slimy CB slices on whole wheat bread, added sprouts, lettuce, tomatoes, a slice of cheddar, a lil'mayo and a healthy squirt of Italian dressing. Basically everything left in the refrigerator by my prosperous roomie.

    HOLY MOLY was that good!
    I testify!

    Now that I have more than a nickel in my pocket I shudder when seeing that Carl Budding in the grocery store, yet I hold on to the golden memory of that ONE SANDWICH.

    oh and

    I LOVE YOU HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    BUDDIG (none / 0) (#71)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:24:54 PM EST
    not budding...PFFFFT

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    I'm a vegetarian and if there's one thing (none / 0) (#10)
    by liminal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:19:04 PM EST
    I miss, and sneak into my diet semi-regularly, well, cold cuts sure and more specifically the mixed, spiced and cured stuff!  I love salami.  I love ring bologna, too - but that doesn't count as a cold cut, does it?  Do New Yorkers have ring bologna?

    For lunch, I had a vegan Kashi whole grain microwave sandwich thing, and some carrots and salsa with home grown tomatos, home grown cilantro, and home grown jalapenos.   I would've given it up for some sliced ring bologna on Ritz crackers with ketchup.

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    Not sure.... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:43:15 PM EST
    about ring bologna, I've never heard of it, but I don't really care for bologna...why eat bologna when you can eat salami or another fine italian spiced and cured concoction with names I can't spell or pronounce?...lol  

    Bologna always tasted like raw hot dogs to me.

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    Tch. (none / 0) (#46)
    by liminal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:55:42 PM EST
    I guess they don't have it in NY.  It's not traditional baloney (which we serve, around here, fried on white bread), but a smoked and spiced sausage version that I associated with central Pennsylvania/Pennsylvania Dutch traditions.  My grandmother always had Lebanon bologna and ring bologna around for lunch when I was a kid.  Lebanon bologna had a much stronger taste, but ring bologna was yummy, too.  It was a bit like summer sausage, but much, much tastier.  

    Ring bologna is an ambiguous term with regional dependencies. One form is produced in two inch (5 cm) diameter sausages that are normally about a foot long (30 cm). These can often be found pickled in a combination of vinegar, salt, sugar and spices. The Pennsylvania Dutch product (popular brands are Berks, Hatfield, and Kunzler) is not at all like plain, beige bologna; it is variegated with variety meats (mainly heart) and small amounts of fat and contains more spices. Kunzler actually produces both kinds and distinguishes between city (its Juniata brand) and old-fashioned ring bologna.

    Ahh!  Now I find that it has "mainly heart" meat.  I'm glad I had no idea about that when I was a kid.

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    Reviews of HILLARY's SPEECH... (none / 0) (#76)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26:49 PM EST
    Anybody who rips on Hillary's speech is putting personal animus (toward her) over their desire for a Democratic victory.

    Case in point: Nora Ephron's absolutely heinous, Huff post, Hillary the Admonisher, alleging:


    Clinton narcissism...and the whole fish stinks from the head down...(emphasis added).

    Luckily, Ephron's venom was, coincidentally anti-doted, by Taylor Marsh's magnificent Huff post, Hillary's Show Stopper, where she said the following (I don't think she had Ephron in mind, but the shoe sure fits):

    So, let every commentator, writer and blogger who finds a crevice in which to slither forth and spew a doubting word on what Hillary said and meant, or should have done, last night finally be called by their proper name: sorcerers. Spiteful vipers who dare to find a toxic blend amidst an open heart and full throated generosity at a time when our country needed just a leader like Hillary to make a new path where the last footsteps have been taken down a road that has ended in the dirt.

    No surprise: Taylor's column is no longer even on the front page, while Ephron's column continues to sit at the very top - ALL DAY!

    *Does anybody, for a minute, believe that Ariana Huffington wants to see a Democratic victory in '08?

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    What I had for lunch (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by dianem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:14:46 PM EST
    Was mostly bile as a right winger I work with talked about how the Dems are divided and Bill Clinton hates Obama, as evidenced by the quote so conveniently provided about some kind of "experienced" v. "unexperienced" candidate. He almost had it right, too, although he provided no context and left off Clinton's modifying comment at the end. He was gleeful, by the way. I doubt he knows just how much of a liberal I am. I don't talk about politics at work (although I did correct him when he commented that big pharma spent all of their massive profits to develop new drugs to cure our ills).  

    If I were Bill (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:59:37 PM EST
    (which I am not), I would be unhappy about all the cr@p Hillary has to put up with.  Bill has to deal with some of it, but it's not his job, his coworkers anymore.  

    An aside.  I am beginning to wonder if the Obama campaign was doing their darnedest to manufacture a Macaca Moment for the Clinton campaign.  If you look at the pattern, it's a bunch of mild statements, frequently taken completely out of context, and spread as much as possible.  The RFK statement had to be the most blatant example.

    Just trying anything and everything to make it stick.  Effective enough in a primary, but lousy in the GE.  McCain is doing the exact same thing, down to using the media to disseminate their ads for them.  I haven't been impressed with any of the Hillary-based ads.  (Hasty and sloppy, IMO) But the GOP just keeps slamming stuff out there, and watching for the Obama and media reactions.

    During the primary, Obama had the advantage of the O-blogs disseminating a lot of "information" for him.  In the GE, it's not going to work so well.  The viral ads and emails aren't going to penetrate into the undecideds and Republicans like they did primary voters.  McCain is going to fight back w/o the handicaps Hillary was burdened with (fellow Democrat, woman, race, the GE, unfriendly media).  Election season fatigue has set in and the activism has faded.

    It's now going to be a battle to keep the momentum going, avoid the GOP traps and get a strong positive message burned into the public's mind - without all the advantages of the primary environment, and perhaps with some self inflicted wounds if Obama doesn't kiss and make up with the busunders.

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    I'm way beyond wondering (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by dianem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:47:22 PM EST
    My Theory: Axelrod ran a "whisper campaign" on the net, with trusted employees logged onto left wing sites whose job was to spread talking points about anything said by Clinton or her supporters. This is not that crazy an idea - the right has used web sites to spread rumors before, like the Dan Rather memo story, and whisper campaigns (also known as elevator campaigns) are as old as politics.

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    is this correct? (none / 0) (#83)
    by Josey on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:29:59 PM EST
    When Obama opted out of public financing, he opted out of 527 ads and $85M.


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    He opted out of $85M (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:34:21 PM EST
    He has personally disapproved of 527 Independent Expenditures, and tried to discourage contributions to them.

    Dems are reportedly running behind the breakeven math upon which Obama's decision to decline public funding was based. He'll have to spend time fundraising that could have gone into campaigning, and he (Obama + DNC) will still come out short.

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    so, Obama 527s can air ads? (none / 0) (#132)
    by Josey on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:49:59 PM EST
    Sure they can - but he's against it. (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:16:19 PM EST
    The Obama campaign is also handcuffing state parties' conventional coordinated campaigns, in an effort to avoid commingling his efforts with the dirty special interest money in their accounts.

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    My Wife Proudly Cast (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by gtesta on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:15:15 PM EST
    her vote for Hillary this morning as part of the NC delegation.  They filled out tally sheets at breakfast, so that the delegation chairs can turn them in during the roll call.  No word if they are going to try and shut it down early after a few states.
    My prediction...it will go to the end and only after Obama goes over 2210 (and he's going to need to go to the end to do it!), will Bill and Hillary walk to a microphone and ask that the nomination be made unanimously.  Hillary will move and Bill will second and everyone will scream yes. Just my opinion...my wife hasn't heard anything.

    Congrats to your wife! (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by liminal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:22:24 PM EST
    I bet that was a thrilling moment for her.  

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#30)
    by gtesta on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:42:24 PM EST
    It was.  She was still a little chocked up this morning.  It meant a lot to her to do this.  Now she will work for obama.

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    I'd be somewhat reluctant (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:36:15 PM EST
    to say I "proudly" cast my ballot for any of these characters.

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    Correction (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by gtesta on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:47:57 PM EST
    Just got off the phone with my wife.  They filled out "intent to vote" sheets this morning.  Vote will not be "official" until cast on the floor of the convention during roll call.
    Hmmm..guess they just want to make sure he's got the votes...

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    Heard it was a straw vote (none / 0) (#37)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:50:17 PM EST
    and that it was close enough to send Nancy Pelosi into a panic and the Obama campaign into a tizzy wanting Hillary or a surrogate to stop the role calle before it finished.

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    And I heard (none / 0) (#144)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:09:49 PM EST
    from a couple of Hillary delegates on the street that they have decided to stand firm, that 10 SDs were coming back to Hillary, and that Terry McCauliffe told them to keep fighting.

    This could be exciting!

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    Thoughts on the short list: Biden was 'C-2' (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:25:26 PM EST
    ... in BO08 campaign code.  Who was C-1?

    We saw a couple other short-listers last night.

    Gov. Warner, who was courted passionately but declined. zzzzzzzzzz

    Gov. Sebelius. zzzzzzzzzzz

    The last runner-up seems to have been Sen. Bayh. Nice guy, but.

    And we end up with Joe "Profiles in Baggage" Biden. Friends who can stand to tune in to that stuff tell me the rightwing media are already having a field day, and a London bookie will give 16/1 odds against Biden being replaced before Election Day.

    Gov. Schweitzer -- who showed the unique ability to light a fire in a barn full of matches and dry kindling -- had some early mentions, but I don't have the sense he made the short list.

    Is our bench that weak?

    No (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:28:52 PM EST
    It's just that the best players were not even invited to be on the team.

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    Who did you have in mind besides Hillary (none / 0) (#84)
    by DemForever on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:14 PM EST
    Apparently, our coach let's his (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:02:50 PM EST
    personal feelings, not skillz, dictate who goes in.

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    Yeah... (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:06:21 PM EST
    ...and if he loses the game, he'll blame the loss on those whom he did not invite to be on his team to begin with.

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    It will all be Charlie Rangel's fault! (none / 0) (#93)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32:15 PM EST
    /s.

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    I have a serious question ... (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:16 PM EST
    why did so many prominent (and even not so prominent) Democrats decline the VP slot?

    I'd like to think they did it because they felt Hillary was the best choice.

    But is there another reason?

    It just seems bizarre to me.  I know Mark Warner wants to be President some day.  Yet he declines such a clear opportunity.

    Why?

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    In Warner's case (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:38:51 PM EST
    He's considered a shoo-in for that Senate seat. His presidential exploratory committee in 2006/2007 didn't find much support for a sort of unknown governor (although he was quite a successful one). He probably really wants to expand the Dem. majority in the Senate and try again for the White House later. I think it's good decision-making on his part.

    As for the others... one can only guess. I imagine they didn't want to play second fiddle to someone much less experienced than themselves. And I suspect the rest didn't want to be on the lower end of a possibly losing ticket.

    Just my assumptions.

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:48:48 PM EST
    but who else but Biden wouldn't have their career ruined by running on a ticket with Obama? Obama's baggage is already starting to put McCain ahead in the tracking polls. Biden can afford to take one for the team.

    And if Biden is replaced, holy moly, look for the whole ticket to collapse. Might as well replace Obama with Hillary and go for the win if that were to happen.

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    I have heard that the vote (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:36:22 PM EST
    this morning was razor close. Many delegations voted over breakfast. Nancy Pelosi was in damage control mode and not sure what happened after that.

    I wonder if that's why Hillary released her delegates earlier and why the role call will probably be cut short.

    Can you tell us more details about this? (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:49:36 PM EST
    Maybe a LINK. I'm in the dark.

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    They're posting (none / 0) (#39)
    by Emma on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:52:22 PM EST
    is as a rumor over at The Confluence.  I don't think I'm supposed to link to that.

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    I saw it there (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:53:54 PM EST
    and a couple of other places where some delegates have been posting. I am starting to believe that the closness of the vote is truth.

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    The Confluence is on TL's blogroll. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:06:09 PM EST
    I don't think it's verboten.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#60)
    by Emma on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:20:36 PM EST
    Really, we can't link to The Confluence? (none / 0) (#81)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:29:07 PM EST
    Yes, We Can! Oh, no..... I said it. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32:09 PM EST
    LOL (none / 0) (#145)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:13:32 PM EST
    oh ... you!  :-)

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    GOP AGW (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by cannondaddy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:54:53 PM EST
    The GOP appears to be considering adding a global warming plank to it's platform.  Rush et al will be having fits for days...

    The more Rush (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:35:32 PM EST
    whines about McCain the more likely McCain is to win the general election. It makes him look like a "maverick".

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    Kucinich's (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by jtaylorr on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:59:09 PM EST
    rousing speech, entitled "Wake Up America" for those who haven't seen it.

    CNN being uncharacteristically careful (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:08:06 PM EST
    how they spin this. They said they are getting tons of calls and e-mails from delegates who will be hurt, angry and cheated if the vote is stopped even if by Hillary herself.

    They are not bad democrats and invested a lot in the campaign, just want a chance to vote for her.

    The bobbleheads are actually treating this with some respect and sensitivity right now.

    Right!!! (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:12:19 PM EST
    On Fox, Senator McCaskill says that they're not worried about Dems because they will vote for the Dem candidate (seig heil! start the goose stepping!). She says Independents will determine the election.

    Bummer (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by waldenpond on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:21:19 PM EST
    I have to go pick my kid up from college and the teebee says the roll call is to start.  How come so many empty seats?  Is it because it's the preliminaries and the roll call is going to be later?

    IMO, it would have been best to have a regular roll call.  They expected shenanigans last night and there weren't any.

    I'm looking at Pelosi... boo.

    The Open Letter (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:21:34 PM EST
    Didn't work.

    Here's one that works.


    Dear Clinton supporters:

    Some Obama supporters behave like complete idiots and we will be letting them know one by one that we value you, the Clinton supporter's vote, more than their vote.

    It is time that they finally grow up and understand that their hate speech is not welcome in the Democratic Party.

    Sincerly, etc.

    That would work.

    And I'm serious.  That would work.  I'm not playing a game here.  It's simply a matter of what kind of support Obama valuse more.  If he doesn't want my vote, that's fine.

    Good letter Edgar (none / 0) (#127)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47:16 PM EST
    Delores Huerta (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:22:24 PM EST
    is nominating Hillary.

    i knew she would (none / 0) (#72)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:25:23 PM EST
    And to hear the activists turn against her when she decided for Clinton early on in the race was not a good day.

    I can still hear the names they called her.


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    Why is she talking (none / 0) (#74)
    by DJ on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26:13 PM EST
    about Obama ?

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    Live. Right now. (none / 0) (#77)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26:52 PM EST
    Colores.

    So many memories...

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    on msnbc it sez Michael Wilson, (none / 0) (#104)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:36:25 PM EST
    a republican veteran of the iraq war, is nominating obama's name...

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    ken salazar seconding obama's nom (none / 0) (#107)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:37:33 PM EST
    I'm old school (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:33:43 PM EST
    I remember having to stay up late and having to wait as they passed over the candidate's state and came back around so the hometown crowd could put him over the top.

    Now we have a Republican nominating the Democratic candidate for president.  Is anyone else wondering, "What's wrong with this picture?"  

    Why is a registered Republican (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by eleanora on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:34:18 PM EST
    nominating the Democratic presidential candidate?

    Republican Michael Wilson (5.00 / 0) (#101)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:35:06 PM EST
    nominates Obama.

    This is a loser...

    For those (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:39:45 PM EST
    of you who want me to vote for Obama I have some ideas of what Obama can do RIGHT NOW to earn my vote:

    1. Promise to strip Nancy Pelosi of her speakership.
    2. Get Donna Brazille and Eugene Robinson off tv.
    3. Fire Howard Dean as head of the DNC right now.

    That's a start. And no promises to do it "after the election" because Obama I don't trust you. You are going to have to actually DO something before the voting to make me believe that you are capable of solving problems.

    I decided to check in on a blog (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by kenosharick on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40:27 PM EST
    that I used to visit before it went insane (americablog) just to see what they thought of the terriffic speech Sen. Clinton gave last night. Much to my surprise- there was no speech last night- I must have imagined it. They are still so obsessed with their bizarre hatred that they are pretending the highlight of the night never happened. They are all discussing the Schweitzer sppeech, which was fine, but certainly not the event that Hillary's was. So in denial.

    more about the temple (1.50 / 2) (#3)
    by AlSmith on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:14:15 PM EST

    Ok I admit I am now giddy about the temple.

    And I checked Kos to see if there are any fears- no problem there! All the "MSM chatter" about the temple will drive viewership through the roof therefor it is good.

    But check out the latest addition I found linked there.

    They have constructed a life sized replica of Air Force One- looking crashed- that they are going to tow onto the field I guess.

    Obama may not be nuts but someone is.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1050017/Pictured-The-miniature-Greek-temple-Barack -Obama-launch-final-push-U-S-presidency.html


    When you post things like this... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:17:32 PM EST
    ...it just reflects how ill informed that you are.  Obama has nothing to do with this.  It is part of a traveling exhibition.  It will also be going to St. Paul for the RNC.

    Please stop with the RedState talking points.  

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    Here's a link (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by eric on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:24:31 PM EST
    to the story about the exhibit.  LINK

    I am troll rating anyone who posts these lies.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#11)
    by dianem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:19:28 PM EST
    I thought that was ridiculous and was trying to find something out about it. It's the Daily Mail, fercryinoutloud. Obama's campaign has been over the top, but even they aren't going to try to use Air Force One as a campaign prop.

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    After the fake presidential seal... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:23:37 PM EST
    ...nothing can surprise me. They are capable of anything.

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    you are right (none / 0) (#21)
    by AlSmith on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:25:30 PM EST

    I found some a youtube video of the crazy who is delivering these replicas to both conventions.

    I dont understand the point, but it is not part of the campaign. Didn't see that in the Daily Mail story and had to google around


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    Just curious... (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:18:19 PM EST
    So is Obama even going to show up at the convention proper, or would associating with the Democratic Party tarnish his image too much?

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    C-span just showed an empty tarmac (5.00 / 0) (#47)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:57:55 PM EST
    awaiting his arrival.

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    Kewl. (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by gtesta on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:30:08 PM EST
    Will Obama come out wearing a 300-esque Spartan warrior outfit?  His supporters could say, "This is the best speech evah!!"  Now if they can only come up with a McCain/Medusa cgi thing.

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    video of temple (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CHDmom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:54:48 PM EST
    If you haven't seen it, here is a link to the temple http://tinyurl.com/5suqba

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    no no (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:23:22 PM EST
    Hillary is Medusa, McCain is Minotaur.
    Nader and Barr are Scylla and Charybdis.


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    BUT (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:24:44 PM EST
    a 300 outfit, complete with padded leather speedo, might just get my vote.
    it would get my attention.

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    Toga! Toga! Toga! (none / 0) (#89)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:43 PM EST
    From the NYT (none / 0) (#2)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:09:29 PM EST
    But the formal nomination of Mr. Obama will not end the drama that has riven the Obama and Clinton camps and provided a consuming story line of this convention. At 7 p.m. local time, former President Bill Clinton is scheduled to address the convention, whose theme today is foreign policy and a tribute to the military, giving the Clintons two nights of prominence at this high-profile event...

    A draft of Mr. Clinton's speech will be sent to the Obama campaign later this afternoon, a Clinton aide said. Mr. Obama has said in recent days that the former president free to talk about whatever subject he chooses, though he has been granted only 10 minutes of podium time ..."

    They are seriously limiting (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by liminal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:21:06 PM EST
    Bill Clinton to 10 minutes of podium time?  Yech.  

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    What are they going to do (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:26:18 PM EST
    if he goes over?  Cue the orchestra like they do at the Oscars?

    :)

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    Ten minutes (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:03:52 PM EST
    Wow, Obama is obviously terrified of Bill. How emabarrassing.

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    I'll say. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Valhalla on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:38 PM EST
    The only 2-term Democratic President in the past 50 years gets 10 minutes?

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    Ten minutes ... and not even in Primetime? (none / 0) (#106)
    by bridget on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:37:22 PM EST
    I can't believe it!

    It's President Bill Clinton, for heaven's sake!

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    It's a way of keeping Bill to 30 minutes (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by DemForever on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
    WHy would you want to keep him (none / 0) (#87)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:32 PM EST
    To 30 minutes?

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    Ever seen his 1988 nominating speech? (none / 0) (#129)
    by DemForever on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47:40 PM EST
    No (none / 0) (#138)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:53:42 PM EST
    I bet it was great.


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    How well did Obama speak 20 years ago? (none / 0) (#143)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:05:33 PM EST
    Think maybe eight years of being an extremely popular president and now eight years of being a beloved international philanthopist might make a difference?

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    Russia says it is ready for a new Cold War... (none / 0) (#7)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:15:46 PM EST
    ...and accuses the US of providing arms to Georgia under guise of humanitarian aid.

    The Russian government is also hinting that the "breakaway" regions will be annexed into Russia and not remain independent states. Because, I guess, that's really the heartfelt (if not expressed) wish of the inhabitants of these provinces. And of course nothing matters to the Kremlin humanitarians more than respecting the wishes of some tiny ethnic group.

    Naturally, Russia is fully justified in doing so, seeing how the US has annexed Bosnia, Kosovo, and several of Iraq's provinces, making them the 51st, 52nd, and 53rd-55th, states, respectively.

    The Boss won't be playing but (none / 0) (#17)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:23:23 PM EST
    they will be re-creating the famous youtube video, Yes We Can live on stage.

    LINK

    Tidbit:

    The video, which appeared shortly before Super Tuesday, became an Internet sensation. It was adopted by the Obama campaign, and used often on the trail.

    Black Eyed Peas frontman Will.i.am -- who produced the celebrity-packed video -- will perform Thursday evening, backed by singer John Legend and a full gospel choir.

    Playing right into McCain's hands.

    I think (none / 0) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:50:15 PM EST
    I'm going to quit blogging. It seems like the whole convention was planned to do nothing but help McCain except for Hillary's speech so far. Ugh.

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    don't you dare leave! (none / 0) (#148)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:17:46 PM EST
    I enjoy your Posts too much.

    :-)

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    Since you asked :) , for lunch I had (none / 0) (#26)
    by DFLer on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:35:43 PM EST
    half an apple, a beef stick, some dark chocolate and 2 cups of coffee with cream and sugar.

    I had a BLT.... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:51:56 PM EST
    ...and it was good.

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    BLT (none / 0) (#59)
    by liminal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:18:15 PM EST
    Perfect time of year.  I do miss bacon, too, and the soy stuff is fine for me most of the year, but when tomatoes are in season.  BLT is the yum.  Ooh: or - a real toasted bagel with a slice of homegrown tomato, topped with real, homemade guacamole, topped with a few slices of bacon.  

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    This thread (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:21:11 PM EST
    Is making me really hungry.  I love BLTs...

    Your post just made my stomach growl.  That sandwich sounds really good.  Another favorite of mine this time of year is the mozzarella, tomato, and pesto sandwich.  With tomatoes from the garden, and homemade pesto from the basil in the garden. And a sliver of red onion.

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    ha (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26:48 PM EST
    I had Steak and Shake for lunch.  I felt I needed comfort food.
    also there is always a street person there sitting at the counter that I always talk to.
    a 70 year old black male rabid Hillary supporter.
    he is hilarious.  I wish I could post some of his rants about Obama but they would be deleted.
    and I probably would too.

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    I talk to my (none / 0) (#124)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:45:31 PM EST
    small business woman friend.

    She talks about her continuing struggle with her sister over her mother's care (aging, fragile health, mental illness) and I talk about my two special needs kids.  We both have our problems, but it feels good to share.

    It's tough when the people you love are an unending source of stress.  The important thing is doing the best you can, even if it feels like it is never enough and there aren't any 100% good choices.

    Go Hillary!

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    Wow, Steak and Shake (none / 0) (#135)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:50:58 PM EST
    When my sister and I were in grade school we would go to my Dad's office on days when there was no school (holy days, teacher conferences). His secretary always took us to lunch at Steak and Shake. Gotta love the Chili Mac.

    Whenever I visit back home I stop at Steak and Shake for the streakburger and those little fries.

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    LOL, Steak and Shake (none / 0) (#142)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:01:32 PM EST
    Urbana Champaign, right? They're all over here....

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    yup (none / 0) (#153)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:38:11 PM EST
    Beef stick.... (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:52:25 PM EST
    is that beef jerky, like a Slim Jim?

    Good stuff...who knew cow lips tasted so good?

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    you hope (none / 0) (#116)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40:32 PM EST
    it was lips
    ;-)


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    Honestly wouldn't bother me.... (none / 0) (#154)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:43:34 PM EST
    I'm on the "if it tastes good, eat it" diet brother:)  

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    Caprese salad (none / 0) (#146)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:14:06 PM EST
    with fresh picked yellow pear and sweet 100 cherry tomatoes and basil from my garden, plus mozzarella, s&p, olive oil. Incredible. I feel so healthy.

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    HRC just released her delegates (none / 0) (#34)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:49:11 PM EST
    so what will be interesting is how many vote for her on the 1st ballot.  

    Unchain my heart (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:00:34 PM EST
    from Bloomberg:

    ``I am here today to release you,'' she said in a meeting with her delegates. ``I am not telling you what to do. I signed my ballot this morning for Senator Obama.''

    A little Joe Cocker, anyone?

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    L Cohen (none / 0) (#137)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:53:08 PM EST
    Hey, that's no way to say goodbye
    I'm not looking for another as I wander in my time,
    walk me to the corner, our steps will always rhyme
    you know my love goes with you as your love stays with me,
    it's just the way it changes, like the shoreline and the sea,
    but let's not talk of love or chains and things we can't untie,
    your eyes are soft with sorrow,
    Hey, that's no way to say goodbye.


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    Maybe this is why Biden is VP (none / 0) (#58)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:17:14 PM EST
    "The 63% of conservative Democrats supporting Obama over McCain in Aug. 18-24 polling is the lowest Obama has earned since he clinched the Democratic nomination in June. At the same time, there have been no similar drops in support for Obama in the preferences of liberal or moderate Democrats."

    In addition, Obama "has mainly seen his support eroding among moderate and liberal Republicans, from 19% to 13% during August."

    DK front page -- (none / 0) (#113)
    by Josey on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40:08 PM EST
    >>>Barack Obama's margin among independent swing-voting women and sporadically voting Democrats are two of the main metrics his campaign is closely monitoring, Obama's election manager, David Plouffe, said today.

    Plouffe, speaking to reporters, editors and executives of the Atlantic Media company in a throwback conference room in downtown Denver, said that Obama's internal polling suggests that McCain runs a double-digit deficit with this group runs into the double digits in some swing states. "And that's before they know about his position on choice and that he's against equal pay," Plouffe said.

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    Plouffe (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:44:30 PM EST
    is an idiot. He's assuming once again that they are single issue voters. They may be C in C voters or a host of other types. The more they talk, the more out of touch they sound. Kerry lost a lot of pro choice voters.

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    Biden (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:42:27 PM EST
    won't help. What's driving the conservative dems away is his associations from chicago.

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    Am I the only one watching the roll call? (none / 0) (#64)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:21:51 PM EST


    Nope (none / 0) (#67)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:23:04 PM EST
    I am. (none / 0) (#79)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:27:24 PM EST
    This is her nominating speech? (none / 0) (#73)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:25:35 PM EST


    I don't like it. (none / 0) (#78)
    by DJ on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26:58 PM EST
    That's why (none / 0) (#90)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:45 PM EST
    they make chocolate, strawberry and vanilla...

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    An attempt to get aging liberals (none / 0) (#91)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:31:18 PM EST
    and Latinos as well as labor union members on board.

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    Ok I get it..and it got better. (none / 0) (#95)
    by DJ on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32:46 PM EST
    I like the Utah kid on now. (none / 0) (#80)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:28:55 PM EST


    The young man from Utah (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:29:17 PM EST
    speaks well.  

    A few hours ago I saw a CBS show with a (none / 0) (#86)
    by hairspray on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:30:22 PM EST
    news? person interviewing a retired FBI agent.  He was discussing Hillary's body language and how it was not very enthusiastic.  On the other hand he thought Michele Obama hit a home run. Frankly I thought she looked sour during the speech, and Hillary was uplifting, but did put it to Obama about not forgetting the downtrodden and what it means to be a Democrat. She wasn't effusive.  But my over riding thought was that if this was the example of an FBI profiler, i can understand why they are identifying the wrong people. LOL

    I wouldn't seem enthusiastic either (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:34:43 PM EST
    if I had all those guns pointing at my head.

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    did you see an article? (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Josey on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:45:21 PM EST
    from Monday night when Obama spoke to the convention and said he was in Kansas City...then later said St. Louis.
    I haven't seen a thing.
    Hillary's body language obviously garners better ratings for CNN than Obama's faulty memory.


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    What does he say about Michelle's (none / 0) (#149)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:20:02 PM EST
    habit of touching her hair when she speaks? It's almost constant, first one side, then the other. Like she wants to tuck her hair behind her ears but remembers she's not supposed to do that. It's extremely distracting.

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    Military person, male, from FL (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32:25 PM EST
    and A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN?????

    Nominting Obama? (none / 0) (#96)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:33:22 PM EST
    WTF?!?!?

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    The new Democratic Party. (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:36:37 PM EST
    Get the message?

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    "Instead of being stuck (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:35:23 PM EST
    in the past, . . ."

    I don't think the Obama campaign actually heard what Hillary Clinton so strongly stated last night.

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    Something about being a Democrat. (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:39:53 PM EST
    Nothing important...
    <snark>

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    Good grief. (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:41:49 PM EST
    A republican.

    McCain's a republican.  

    This is the democratic convention, isn't it?

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    So Obama (none / 0) (#108)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:38:01 PM EST
    will be a good CIC because he has a good temperment? Is that what Richardson just said?

    Obama's nominated by Ken (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:39:59 PM EST
    Salazar, representing the "new" coalition.  

    Gawd help us. (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:45:06 PM EST
    Salazar -- the non-Democrat's Democrat.

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    Wasserman-Shultz? (none / 0) (#114)
    by DJ on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40:12 PM EST


    Hey, FL, we love you now. (none / 0) (#120)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:42:40 PM EST
    Not ready for prime time. (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:41:25 PM EST


    Hillary... (none / 0) (#125)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:45:39 PM EST
    released her delegates this afternoon to vote for Obama.

    Nope. Sorry. (none / 0) (#151)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:21:55 PM EST
    Hillary released her delegates and didn't tell them how to vote.

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    It was obviously a calculated (none / 0) (#126)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:46:05 PM EST
    decision to make sure that the speeches nominating and seconding Hillary's nomination were very subdued in comparison to his.

    Especially with former Hillary supporter Wasserman-shultz seconding Obama.

    But why in the world did a republican nominate him?!?! Could they not find a soldier who was a democrat?

    Oh, yeah, Alice Germond of the RBC farce. (none / 0) (#131)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:49:28 PM EST


    Toga, Toga, Toga. (none / 0) (#133)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:50:14 PM EST


    Alabama (none / 0) (#136)
    by eric on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:51:46 PM EST
    48 Obama
    5 Clinton

    aren't there some missing?

    Yes. Seven. (none / 0) (#139)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:56:48 PM EST
    FYI, BTD opened a new thread for voting. (none / 0) (#141)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:00:12 PM EST


    Whoever wrote that opne letter (none / 0) (#150)
    by kredwyn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:21:11 PM EST
    needs to not guilt, cow, or shame folks into voting the way he wants them to.

    Votes are earned. You aren't entitled to them because you are the candidate. You don't just get them automatically...you earn them.