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Saturday Afternoon Open Thread

I'm off to Whole Foods (just joking, although I'm not boycotting.) Here's an open thread for you, I'll be back when Obama's health care speech begins. I hope BTD will be watching and near a computer so he can weigh in as well. He has the political perspective while mine is more along the lines of asking for more concrete details about the changes it will bring for those with insurance and/or Medicare.

We get a lot of comments on the health care threads, I wonder if that's because TalkLeft's readers tend to skew a little older than the 20 and 30 something crowd.

In the meantime, there must be other news today. Here's an open thread, all topics (including health care) welcome.

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    If you enjoy documentary movies (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 02:45:24 PM EST
    and value the environment, "Home" is very powerful and beautifully filmed.

    From Wikipedia: Home is a 2009 documentary by Yann Arthus-Bertrand. The film is almost entirely composed of aerial shots of various places on Earth. It shows the diversity of life on Earth and how humanity is threatening the ecological balance of the planet. Opening in 181 countries, the film broke the world record for the largest film release in history. The documentary chronicles the present day state of the Earth, its climate and how we as the dominant species have long-term repercussions on its future. A theme expressed throughout the documentary is that of linkage--how all organisms and the Earth are linked in a "delicate but crucial" natural balance with each other, and how no organism can be self-sufficient.

    Movie Website

    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Spamlet on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:36:05 PM EST
    We get a lot of comments on the health care threads, I wonder if that's because TalkLeft's readers tend to skew a little older than the 20 and 30 something crowd.

    The comments, at least for the past few days, have seemed a bit more testy than usual, too. I think that's because the health care issue, now that Obama is struggling to define and advance it, is reopening fissures in the Democratic base that were temporarily covered by Obama's election and his immediate need to start cleaning up after Bush II.

    People forget that the primaries inflicted some serious wounds on some longtime Democrats. People also forget that any Democratic president would be struggling with the same GOP troglodytes to reform health care.

    While, of course, there are (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:06:39 PM EST
    different interests and perspectives, but a big flaw in the health care discussion seems to me to be the artificial division between political perspectives and the detailing of the changes that will be brought for those with health insurance and/or Medicare. We need both, and they need to be integrated to be effective.

    health industry vs health care system (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by caramel on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:13:55 PM EST
    That's the core of the problem. Of course those who have made a fortune for decades with this industry are not going to promote a health care system. Sad to see much BS to counter the current proposal, it's not doing any good for America's image. The three government issues that cannot and shouldn't be regarded as profit making issues are healthcare, education and justice. If people are not prepared to pay the price for a fair system overall, then I guess you'll be stuck with a health industry that will benefit the richest to the detriment of the poor.

    Just like (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 05:10:54 PM EST
       
    Gutenberg started the information revolution, and Ford started the (modern) industrial revolution, Reagan was the birth maiden of the "Profitizing Everything" revolution.

    The right wing think tanks were very smart. They knew that the Republican goals would never gain majority approval by most Americans, so they devised a clever winning strategy:

    A. form a small, but ideologically cohesive, minority in the House, B. Take advantage of the unrepresentative anomaly in the Senate, and, C. go all-out to seat a Corporatist majority on the Supreme Court. The, more or less, popularly elected Presidency then became irrelevant.

    They succeeded all too well, and we're now living with the results.


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    Another American prisoner released (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jbindc on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:52:47 PM EST
    Thanks to a visit from Sen. Jim Webb.

    YANGON, Myanmar - Stung by international outrage over the trial of Aung San Suu Kyi, Myanmar's ruling generals agreed Saturday to hand an American prisoner involved in her case to a visiting U.S. senator.

    Sen. Jim Webb was also granted an unprecedented meeting with the junta chief, and was allowed to hold talks with Suu Kyi, the first foreign official permitted to see the Nobel laureate since she was sentenced to 18 more months of house arrest on Tuesday.

    American John Yettaw, who was sentenced to seven years of hard labor for swimming uninvited to Suu Kyi's lakeside house in Yangon, will be deported on Sunday, Webb said in a statement from his Washington office.

    The impending deportation indicates "good relations between the two countries and hope (that) these will grow," Yettaw's lawyer Khin Maoung Oo said. Webb echoed the sentiment.

    "It is my hope that we can take advantage of these gestures as a way to begin laying a foundation of goodwill and confidence-building in the future," Webb said in the statement.

    Suu Kyi has been detained for 14 of the past 20 years, and a global groundswell of international pressure to release the 64-year-old opposition leader has kept the impoverished military-ruled country under sanctions in recent years.

    While Washington has traditionally been Myanmar's strongest critic, applying political and economic sanctions against the junta, President Barack Obama's new ambassador for East Asia, Kurt Campbell, recently said the administration is interested in easing its policy of isolation.

    The regime has shown no sign it will release Suu Kyi before next year's general elections, which critics say will perpetuate the military's decades-old rule, but Webb's visit appeared to show the junta is sensitive to international censure.



    I'd be really impressed if Webb (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 05:01:13 PM EST
    convinced the junta to lift the house arrest entirely.  

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    Elevator conversation at NN with Cong. Nadler (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Ben Masel on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 06:27:57 PM EST
    (Chair of Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution)

     He was unaware that cellphone companies keep a record of your past locations after grabbing the data for E-911. Agrees with a need for Statutory privacy protections. "Send me a memo, I'll schedule hearings."

    Intends subcommittee hearing on cleaning up forward provisions of the FISA Amendments Act, 'We'll get to it in a couple months.'

    Good Work (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 06:29:17 PM EST
    Keep us posted.

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    Us health care plans (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by plumbob on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:10:10 PM EST
    I have been watching the debate regarding changes to US healthcare provision with interest.Whilst not denying that the NHS in the UK has failings, I am fed up with the number of right wing politicians cherry picking items to use in a biased diatribe to prevent meaningfull debate about how to improve provision in the US.Sorry to bore you with details but in the US 40,000,000 US nationals have no meaningful access to hc provision, in the UK that figure is!0 recuring. In the US the average spend for hc premiums is $4000 per year, in the UK through general taxes $2000. I can turn up at ANY hospital in the UK and get 1ST world treatment without exclusions on insurance policies for prior illness or medical conditions.The WHC list the US hc provision 37 in the world, in the UK its number 18. why is that? I have tried to post to FOX news but my UK attempts to register hit a wall, again I wonder why, any answers folks!

    Model Planes? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:27:26 PM EST
    Wasn't it oculul who was looking for a cool model plane as a gift.

    Well this one seems quite cool.

    Pricey, I imagine.

    Boys & Their Toys.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:41:04 PM EST
    I'm sure oculus would spring for it :)

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    An RC jet? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:59:48 PM EST
    That's pushing the limits of the radio control technology.  Propeller planes fly relatively slow so they don't get out of range quickly - plus their engine technology is relatively simple.

    I admit that I'm in awe that someone not only managed to build that, but fly it as well.  Serious bragging rights!

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    Pray tell: how does Talk Left (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 02:49:19 PM EST
    know the age demographic of its commenters?

    I'd assume (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 02:54:41 PM EST
     She is extrapolating from the comments of many posters that suggest they remember things you have to be a little aged to remember. I fit the skews older characterization myself and have made offhand remarks about college in the 70s or career in the early 80s and many others have done similarly or just mentioned being at a concert that they would have to be of a certain age to attend unless it was an in vitro experience.

       My concern about health care reform, though, is more due to my position as an employer paying a huge amount to provide health insurance than to my age.

     

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    further showing my age (none / 0) (#4)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:01:54 PM EST
     i had a senior moment and should have said in utero not in vitro.

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    Top 10 Ways Jeralyn Knows the TL Age Demographic (5.00 / 11) (#8)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:41:25 PM EST
    1. Many comments solely for the purpose of correcting grammar and spelling
    2. The term 'Big Dog' needs no definition
    3. General approval of her music selections
    4. Bob Dylan threads peppered with song lyrics
    5. Commenters seem to be more into cooking than dating, unless by dating you mean watching dating on TV.
    6. Ratio of birth of child announcements to marriage of child announcements is less than 1.
    7. Commenters insist on being called liberal and sometimes even feminist
    8. I saw JFK, I voted for JFK, sir, you are no JFK
    9. Group photo showed conspicuous wearing of pantsuits and big jewelry
    10. No recorded case of someone bragging they are the first commenter in a thread.


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    #1 (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:36:57 PM EST
    is a "10."

    (Am I really going to say this?")....Spot on!

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    And #6 got my (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 05:01:36 PM EST
    Bachelorette fixation.

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    Very funny (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:49:37 PM EST
    thanks for creating that! I especially like 8,7,6 and 5.

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    thank you! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:02:01 PM EST
    Could not resist such a great setup!

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    No discernible diminution in (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:19:58 PM EST
    number of comments attributable to attendance at Netroots Nation.

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    Senator Franken (none / 0) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 06:52:31 PM EST
    is that you?

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    Brilliant! (none / 0) (#11)
    by addy on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:56:07 PM EST
    Well done...and true.

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    I hadn't considered (none / 0) (#19)
    by brodie on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:47:17 PM EST
    #10 before, but it makes some sense.  It does seem kinda old school to fret about grammatical shortcomings, doesn't it?  But there's old school and then there's Old School, and such seemingly trivial concerns might have been more common with many of the Boomers' parents.  

    #8, check.  And she seems to be implicitly seconding my view that the best music of all time was written between roughly 1963 and 1976.

    and #3 sounds uncomfortably like me, actually ...

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    Brilliant, Ruffian! (none / 0) (#37)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 09:08:27 PM EST
    I absolutely love it.  Very well observed, and well said.  Bravo.

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    Aww, thanks folks (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 09:19:54 PM EST
    You must be my favorite commenters in all the intertubes since I apparently spend way too much time on this site!

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    Blogads (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:10:53 PM EST
    Once a year we ask our readers to take part in a Blogads survey. You can also tell by the comments.

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    It also seems to me (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39:44 PM EST
    that we have more gender equity than just about any political blog out there, save those with an expressly feminist mission.

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    hmmm, it used to be almost (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:51:17 PM EST
    entirely male, but I guess since the primaries that changed. Glad some of the women stayed. I like having them here. Although, truth be told, I often can't tell who's male vs. female.

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    Women have been known (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:00:32 PM EST
    to deliberately refrain from volunteering any information that would reveal their gender.  Reason?  Sexism on the internet.

    Even more savvy/cautious internet users will refrain from revealing any information about their personal lives - gender, marital status, parental status, occupation, where they live and so on.  Reason?  General privacy protection, worried about stalkers or identity theft.

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    yup, (none / 0) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 04:33:51 PM EST
    Digby and Yves Smith come to mind

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    Ruffian's list (none / 0) (#24)
    by shoephone on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 06:02:54 PM EST
    Very funny, and obviously, quite perceptive.

    FTR, I would like to state that, although I will be firmly esconced in middle age by next birthday, I am not yet at pantsuit and big jewelery stage! Well, okay, maybe the occasional pantsuit.

    I'm into big earnings does that count (none / 0) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 08:42:05 PM EST
    Also, I guess I'm old enough to have gotten into and then out of the pants suit stage.

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    TSA and Their Black Lists (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 06:38:48 PM EST
    What a stupid system the no fly TSA secret black lists are. Once again America embarrasses itself by detaining the most famous Bolywood movie star.

    Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan was detained for two hours for questioning at a U.S. airport before being released by immigration authorities, a news agency report said Saturday.
    Khan, one of the Indian film industry's biggest stars, said he was detained because his name came up on a computer alert list at Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey, Press Trust of India news agency said.

    [snip]

    Khan said he was able to message a lawmaker in India who asked the Indian embassy in Washington to seek his release. Khan was let go after embassy officials intervened, the agency said.

    HuffPo

    Gosh imagine if he was not a super star but an ordinary guy named Khan. The system is not making us any safer.


    A Good Sign? (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:59:52 PM EST
    SAN FRANCISCO -- The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the world's largest private philanthropy fund, sold off almost all of its pharmaceutical, biotechnology and health-care investments in the quarter ended June 30, according to a regulatory filing published Friday.

    [snip]

    The only life science-related holding the foundation retains is a 3 million-share stake in Seattle Genetics Inc.

    The foundation's decision to drastically reduce its exposure to health-related stocks is striking, as many of its charity grants have been disbursed to address developing country health issues. Its move comes against the background of anxiety among drugmakers and healthcare insurance firms about the potential impact of the Obama administration's proposed overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system, which could put pressure on prescription drug prices.

    WSJ


    Militias (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 08:37:51 PM EST
    A good companion to the Rick Perlstein piece In America, Crazy Is a Preexisting Condition is this from the Southern Law Poverty Center on the rise of Militias:

    The situation has many authorities worried. Militiamen, white supremacists, anti-Semites, nativists, tax protesters and a range of other activists of the radical right are cross-pollinating and may even be coalescing. In the words of a February report from law enforcement officials in Missouri, a variety of factors have combined recently to create "a lush environment for militia activity."

    "You're seeing the bubbling [of antigovernment sentiment] right now," says Bart McEntire, who has infiltrated racist hate groups and now is the supervisory special agent for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Roanoke, Va. "You see people buying into what they're saying. It's primed to grow. The only thing you don't have to set it on fire is a Waco or Ruby Ridge."

    Another federal law enforcement official knowledgeable about militia groups agrees. He asked not to be identified because he is not authorized to speak publicly about them. "They're not at the level we saw in '94-'95," he says. "But this is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years. All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."




    While We Were Talking Gates/Crowley (none / 0) (#36)
    by daring grace on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 08:58:10 PM EST
    "This American Life" on NPR re-ran an episode from last year called "Got You Pegged" which featured a (you should excuse the expression) priceless 'dramatization' by the crime author Richard Price of an episode he witnessed in the middle of the night on New York's lower East Side between a couple cops and an African American man who was riding a bike down the street with a white ten year old on the handle bars.

    Following the link and clicking on Full Episode will get you the audio of Price telling the story about 8:13 in.

    Two words (none / 0) (#38)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 09:12:47 PM EST
    Bob Dylan

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    Yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by daring grace on Sun Aug 16, 2009 at 01:54:18 AM EST
    And,for me, Price's depiction of the exasperated ten year old's voice was so spot on, it made this worth a listen.

    Also, the innate humanness of all the participants...Price presented them as all so familiar and, yeah, human.

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