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Indonesia Province Enacts Death By Stoning Law For Adultery

By Jeralyn, Section Foreign Affairs
Posted on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 01:17:07 PM EST
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Sharia Law raises its ugly head again, this time in Aceh, a province of Indonesia. Adultery will now be punished by stoning the offender to death:

The legislation was passed unanimously by Aceh's regional legislature, said assembly member Bahrom Rasjid. "This law will be effective in 30 days with or without the approval of Aceh's governor," he said.

The Governor opposes strict Sharia law but he's powerless to stop it, as is the central Indonesian government in Jakaarta.

The penalty for other non-marital sex: Unmarried people can be sentenced to 100 lashes with a cane.

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    Indonesia Province Enacts Death By Stoning Law For Adultery | 48 comments (48 topical)

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    Considering how many Republicans (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 09:22:40 PM EST
    can't keep it in their pants, it makes me wonder if dominionist would really support this.

    And those of you who think things of this sort are too far out there for the US, I've followed threads on fundamentalist christian blogs where there much support for the death penalty for homosexuality, atheism, and abortion.

    Can you tell me last time we had a stoning? (2.00 / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 10:01:16 PM EST
    Can you tell me the last time we had a stoning  agreed to and sponsored by the government??

    Did you note in the link how this has came about as a settlement with Muslim revolutionaries??

    Again. Why bring up the actions of Christians? There are plenty of opportunities to do so all to themselves.

    Or are you trying to say they are equivalent?

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 11:15:30 AM EST
    I believe that nutty fundamentalist christians ARE equivalent to nutty fundamentalist muslims. Same for jews, hindus, whatever. I believe that religious extremism is dangerous to the rest of us. I believe that one religious fanatic is no different than the next. You can't reason with them. All of their arguments are based on some kind divine belief.

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    Answer the question, please (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 09:13:33 AM EST
    Can you tell me the last time we had a stoning  agreed to and sponsored by the government??

    Did you note in the link how this has came about as a settlement with Muslim revolutionaries??



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    yes (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 02:20:46 PM EST
    they are equivalent

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    Religion (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by TomStewart on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 09:56:50 PM EST
    it brings people who hate the same thing together.

    Good God, you're profound. (2.00 / 0) (#40)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:27:08 AM EST
    Oops, I thought you were talking about the DNC...

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    Uh, yeah (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by TomStewart on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:51:59 AM EST
    Wow, you really told me. I've completely changed my opinion now thanks to your snark.

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    Whom do they consider the 'offender'? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by TomStewart on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 09:59:49 PM EST
    The person who is married, or the person the married person slept with? Why do I think the answer is 'which ever one is the woman?

    It will be instructive to see (2.00 / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 04:12:05 PM EST
    what the President has to say about this.

    Why? (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by dead dancer on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 05:16:09 PM EST
    Yudhoyono or Obama?

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    Why don't you guess? (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 05:17:57 PM EST


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    Because (5.00 / 0) (#23)
    by dead dancer on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 06:39:07 PM EST
    I asked.

    Great answer!

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    Take a guess. (2.00 / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 10:02:17 PM EST
    It's free.

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    Unbelievably scary... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 02:27:21 PM EST
    just when I was cursin' Uncle Sam over all the tyrannical reefer arrests, along comes the Aceh region Indonesia to remind us all how much worse it could be on the tyranny front.

    Lemme guess...this barbaric punishment for non-crime will only apply to Aceh's proles...not regional legislators or clerics.

    I bet (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 03:31:16 PM EST
    what would be scary would be if you actually knew how many people right here in the good ole usa would do that if they could.


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    capt. howdy (none / 0) (#8)
    by bocajeff on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 03:55:02 PM EST
    have you taken a poll or do you personally know of people who want to stone adulterers to death?

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    I personally know some (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 04:21:52 PM EST
    and are related to others

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    Close guess (none / 0) (#6)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 03:51:32 PM EST

    The stoning will in practice only apply to women.  Under sharia, in any he said she said, the woman automatically loses.

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    I was wondering (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jen M on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 04:56:26 PM EST
    about that.  

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    I believe they also (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 05:00:35 PM EST
    give homosexuals with this honor sometimes.


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    Homosexucals are (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 06:11:48 PM EST
    reserved for hanging.

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    I believe (none / 0) (#22)
    by Fabian on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 06:20:34 PM EST
    that accusations are sometimes made in order to retaliate against a woman, or one of her relatives.

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    That's what I was thinking (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 09:16:32 PM EST
    when I read this.

    But no matter who gets 'convicted', seriously f*cked up sentence.

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    Yikes (none / 0) (#2)
    by lentinel on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 02:37:51 PM EST
    I'm not absolutely sure, but I think I would rather take up residence elsewhere.

    I'd rather be stoned in the good old USA.

    Disgusting (none / 0) (#3)
    by mmc9431 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 03:22:04 PM EST
    It's examples like this that convince me that there has to be a complete separation of church and state.

    Too many power hungry people want to cherry pick their belief's to their own advantage. They chose to use religion as a whip rather than a comfort.

    The complete separation of church and state (none / 0) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 03:33:49 PM EST
    gave us, among others, Uncle Joe Stalin and the, what? 20,000,000? he murdered in the pursuit of power.

    I'm not saying there shouldn't be a separation, just that thinking that's THE solution is a little simplistic, imo.

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    yes, (none / 0) (#7)
    by bocajeff on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 03:53:13 PM EST
    but you ruin the narrative this way...Religion = bad, secularism = good.

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    whose narrative is that? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 04:19:06 PM EST
    religion mixed with government = not a good marriage.  secularism mixed with government = almost always a better marriage.  violent religiosity = bad.  violent secularism = just as bad.

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    That had nothing at all... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Romberry on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 04:54:12 AM EST
    ...to do with church/state issues. Zero.

    Ethnic purges? Sure. Forced collectivism? You bet. Famine from multiple sources? You know it! Issues of church and state? Show me.

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    Let me be clear on something here (none / 0) (#43)
    by Romberry on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 05:01:08 AM EST
    My post was meant to be in direct response to the claim that issues to do with the separation of church and state are what gave us Joe Stalin and the untold millions he had executed, imprisoned or starved to death via famine. Stalin certainly had his issues with the church, but to say that the separation of church and state is responsible for his acts is just ludicrous.

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    Indeed, you've accurately identified the trees. (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 12:06:39 PM EST
    The forest, however, is that thinking that sep of church and state is THE solution [ie., with complete sep of church and state, power hungry people will be unable to advance their dastardly agendas] is a little simplistic, imo.


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    USA's sexual torturers are still in power (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 04:20:29 PM EST
    This is in our times, just a different geography, at the moment. The Stoning of Soraya M., is a modern feature film treatment on the practice. Strong elements in the United Nations wish to make it a serious crime to criticize the major religions. Forces within this country wish to install Sharia Law here, because that will allow Islamic investors to invest badly needed money here, where they are currently prevented from those investments, by their religion.

    Do you think the courts uphold your rights, over their favor of corporations? "Get Big Government out the boardrooms and into the bedrooms", goes the familiar mantra. Ban on sale of sex toys constitutional, court rules, reads one story, today. Never mind that that's like banning reading glasses or hearing aids. The morals police in various repressive countries thrill at stripping victims as part of the punishment and sexually humiliating them. This stuff like Florida federal prisons top sex-abuse list, is by design. Alfred McCoy has researched extensively on the part that sexualized torture plays in governments' mind control of populations.

    The PROTECT Act and the Feeney Amendment were the products of criminal conspiracy. They involved collusion with the Department of Homeland Security to falsely elevate the threat level to Orange in order to provide cover until they could be ushered in. I complained about that several places at the time.

    We aren't perfect (2.00 / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 05:21:20 PM EST
    but trying for equivalence between us and Shari law is a real stretch and fogs both issues. It would be better to address each seperately.

    So why are you mixing them?

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    You made a straw man argument (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 05:48:41 PM EST
    I never said they are equivalent, just that they are the same animal. And our laws are frequently crafted using artifice and crime. I watch the stoning videos. I commented here, previously. The crowd of men stoning her display signs of sexual ecstasy.

    I watch the big picture, I connect the dots.

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    They are not the same animal (2.00 / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 06:14:45 PM EST
    and you hurt the efforts to eliminate both when you try and connect "the dots."

    And I do not care if the men are in some sexual whatever or not. It has nothing to do with what I point out.

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    Yes, they are the same animal (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 06:39:19 PM EST
    And both are crimes against humanity. Those that brought in the PROTECT Act and Feeney Amendment deserve the same opprobrium as those that stone young girls for their sexual pleasure.

    Another illustrative example of this type of color-of-law abuse-of-power is the case of Atefah Sahaaleh.

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    Trust me on this (2.00 / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 09:55:53 PM EST
    It is possible to be critical of the evil things that extremist Muslims do without trying to bring in the US/Christians/western culture.

    There are many open threads that you can bash the US/Christians/western culture in without having to worry.

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    It is the same disease: psychopathy (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 10:30:44 PM EST
    It has the same design. If you want words you already presume to understand, these people in our government are "terrorists" that are about foisting the same thing. They simply haven't attained the degree of psychosis that sexual repression has reached in the Middle East, but they are already well on the way, breeding the same mass psychosis.

    Here's another example of arrest and stripping and sexual humiliation by moral police.

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    Oh really??? (2.00 / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 10:35:56 PM EST
    I am sure that the women stoned, the gays hung and the daughters killed because they have dishonored the male family members will say:

    Yes sir. Just the same. No difference.

    The issue isn't the disease but a religion that has a law that let's these things happen.

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    The issue is mass psychosis (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 11:10:21 PM EST
    Government psychologists have devised and taught governments the most effective means of mind control through sexual repression and torture. They are not innocent judges and lawmakers, these laws are not inadvertant, they are deliberate.

    In WALTER A. DAVIS' The Psychology of Christian Fundamentalism: V. Sexual Roots of the Fundamentalist Psyche, Davis spells out much of what psychologists and governments and religious heads already know. Governments do know this. It is part of much of the current "no touch torture" and involves much sexual touch, once individuals are in government captivity. ("Custody" implies far too humane treatment to use that word these days).

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    How else could (2.00 / 0) (#25)
    by Wile ECoyote on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 08:45:46 PM EST
    corporations, DHS and the US be mentioned in a thread about Indonesia?  I am surprised walmart was not mentioned.

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    Walmart shows good Corporate responsibilty (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05:23 PM EST
    I recommend you look at the eugenicists who have co-opted your government. I doubt your apologetics  for the fascist legislatures and fascist courts in this country will serve to spare you from them. They tend to despise the grovelling sycophants, most of all.

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    Ah, now I understand what you are (2.00 / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 10:37:02 PM EST
    Had me fooled for a moment.

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    You have no clue at all Jim (5.00 / 0) (#38)
    by Sumner on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 11:18:35 PM EST
    You have no clue what-so-ever, of where I am on the food chain compared to you.

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    I get it (none / 0) (#44)
    by Wile ECoyote on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 05:48:34 AM EST
    late night comedy.  Ha Ha.  

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    I was sure (none / 0) (#20)
    by Fabian on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 06:14:16 PM EST
    that someone would point out that men are not usually accused or convicted as often as women are under these types of laws.

    When it comes to adultery, women usually are the ones accused, not men.  The one story I found quickly was in Iran - eight women, one man to be stoned to death for adultery.  That ratio sounds about right to me, depressingly enough.

    100 lashes with a cane? (none / 0) (#39)
    by weltec2 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 11:41:31 PM EST
    100 lashes with a rattan? The woman may well go into shock and die anyway. Click here and scroll down to Judicial Use.

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