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    you cant make it up (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 03:48:04 PM EST
    Yankees Shmankees (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by tworivers on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:18:24 PM EST
    Go Rangers, go Phillies!

    Yeah, go... (none / 0) (#23)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:09:12 PM EST
    so the Yanks and Giants can show everyone how the game is played

    (small) lol

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    Yankees falling something like 7-0 (none / 0) (#53)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 10:14:23 PM EST
    to the pitching of the Rangers' (formerly the Phillies') Cliff Lee.  Just sayin' ...

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    Really?? (4.00 / 1) (#54)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 11:13:25 PM EST
    I guess the tv, radio, espn, and my hundred dopey neighbors weren't fooling.

    I sincerely hope you have run-flat tires on your car, Peter.....just sayin :)

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    Obama to Appear on "Mythbusters" (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:37:28 PM EST
    much has been made of this.  may I just say, I think its awsum.

    he has said he is doing it to try to lend some coolness to science.  why should only winning sports teams get to meet him?

    how can you not like that.


    btw (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:47:43 PM EST
    they are not busting the myth of his birth status

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    it's all about him.. (none / 0) (#17)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:54:15 PM EST
    anything for more media exposure.

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    I think (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:58:41 PM EST
    thats a bit overwrought

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    heh (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:08:00 PM EST
    as soon as you posted "how can you not like that"

    I knew you'd have a few takers :)

    I like mythbusters, I like the president going on it, I like that mythbusters tries to make science cool.  If I have one beef with the whole thing, it's that mythbusters is not very scientific.  But I'm not sure it has to be for what it is.

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    It's hard (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:15:04 PM EST
    It's hard to not be pi$$ed at him for taking enough time out of his busy days to be a rockstar AGAIN while the economy is burning to the ground.  He doesn't do anything decisive other than play rockstar.  I hate it and I can't help it.

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    Advocating science and the value of (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Farmboy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:12:02 PM EST
    getting an education in science is "rockstar?" Really? That judgement seems rather unfair to me.

    Perhaps you are unaware that today is the White House Science Fair, where Obama took time away from ignoring the needs of the country to meet with the brightest young minds of the next generation, as well as with three Nobel laureates, the hosts of Mythbusters, and Bill Nye.

    Maybe the event made sense to me because I'm enthusiastic about education, and the impact that someone like Obama can have on the young.

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    Do you watch Mythbusters? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:31:31 PM EST
    It drives my husband nuts because he is all about scientific method, but they really don't employ a great deal of that.  The episode I watched most recently they were intent on busting a myth that apparently comes from the movie 'Garden State' where Cusack's assassin character put a brick of C-4 in a microwave, turned it on, and was able to leave the convenience store before it blew the place up.  You know what I learned in that episode?  That if I want to do that I need to put a blasting cap in the C-4 and have a robot start the microwave because I won't have enough time to vacate the building.  The episode before that one it was all about what ratio mixture of oil to water creates the biggest grease fire.  Then there was the episode about whether or not you can beat a lie detector.  Before you get your knickers in a twist realize actual scientific method isn't often involved, and the guys in this house watch it all the time because usually they are blowing $hit up and I guess that's always cool.

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    Dang it MT, there you go, ruining a perfectly (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by BTAL on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:36:15 PM EST
    good kool-aid party.

    Tisk, tisk, tisk.   ;-)

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    Only seen a few clips (none / 0) (#40)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:46:45 PM EST
    on YT, but another high-testosterone cable show seems about par for the course these days.  Another channel -- The History Channel, iirc -- has its share of manly shows.  IceTruckers, TopShot or something to do with marksmanship, Swamp People -- about the quirky, murky backwoodsmen of Loozyiana -- and some manhood-testing show about driving the World's Most Dangerous Roads.  

    Not sure what all that has to do with history, but there you are.  It's all about men and manliness and testosterone.

    Scientific method?  Sounds kinda wimpy and effete.  Carl Sagan probably would be considered suspiciously soft and snobbish today.

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    It's not what you think (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 09:40:25 AM EST
    mythbusters doesn't follow the scientific method - that just means that their conclusions are not valid.  It does, however, use science to reach those conclusions.

    I wouldn't say it's "all about men and manliness and testosterone".  There are plenty of geeks on that show and there is certainly a nerdy component to it.  It is what it is, they blow a bunch of stuff up - but I also think it's an effective way of engaging an important audience with science.

    I mean, this is one of the two hosts...  And he's as nerdy as he looks.

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    But now that I think (none / 0) (#42)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:54:43 PM EST
    of it, Obama and Mythbusters makes sense, politically, if indeed it's a show involving a few guys standing around blowing a lot of stuff up or otherwise getting involved in some potentially dangerous activity.  

    Makes the elitist Perfesser O look a little more blue-collar regular guy, by association.  Not quite enough to be an honorary member of the PabstBlueRibbon Beer Guzzling Club, but I think that's the stretch he and Axelrod want the viewer to make.  Or at least in that direction.  

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    Kinda reminds me of 2000 (none / 0) (#47)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 08:02:13 PM EST
    Remember the "who would you rather have a beer with" psychobabble wherein we were all told that George W Bush would be so much more affable & nice guy & one-of us than that head-of-the-class-smart-guy (and, by inference, elitist) Al Gore? Remember how we were supposed to eschew the smart-guy type Gore in favor of the direct and Texas manly Bush? I'm trying to remember or...actually, I'm trying to forget about that con job.

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    Yes'm, christine, and (none / 0) (#48)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 08:44:03 PM EST
    thanks for that lovely reminder of campaigns past.  ; )

    Funny thing, as I recall it much of that Bush the Manly Man vs Gore the Effeminate Snob nonsense was driven by female reporters.  Margaret Carlson, MoDo, Ceci Connally, and Kit Seelye seemed to lead the pack of MSM liars running with the Rove talking points.

    Of course, the Daddy Party has long had its anti-intellectual strong streak -- since Tailgunner Joe? -- and lately it's been trending ever-more in the direction of high-testosterone John Wayne attitudes with their "Man up!" charges against Ds this cycle.

    Dems haven't had a hard-drinking manly man Duke Wayne figure since probably Lyndon.  And that one didn't work out too well.

    I think there's an unfortunate, Texas machismo factor in there to consider, with LBJ and Shrub.  Gotta prove yer a man, so you go get yerself a war.

    Poppy, the faux Texan from Connecticut, wasn't quite made of the same stern Tejano stuff, fortunately, to rustle us up a nice big war.  So we got claims about country music and pork rinds instead ...

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    Good (and funny) commentary, brodie (none / 0) (#49)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 09:12:34 PM EST
    Our Presidential elections offer that unplanned humor, don't they?
    I guess that--since we don't have offical royalty--we find noticeable characteristics (or marketed characteristics) in the candidate/officeholder and build narratives about the inner and outer selves. Sometimes they do it to themselves...for us Dems, who could forget the Dukakis in the tank with the ill-fitting helmet or, later, Kerry in a fresh duck-hunting suit in Ohio? What comfy memories.

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    Well, it wasn't for a lack of Poppy trying. (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 01:01:04 PM EST
    Poppy Bush's wars were not so big, in terms of more modern-day, Afghanistan- length, but they were nice wars, in that they were shorter.  Three military interventions during a four-year term.

    After being goaded into war with former ally, Noriega, with taunts of being a wimp, Poppy did throw a nice war in Panama, unless you happened to have lived in the old section of Panama City.

    And, then there was that "slant drilling"episode in Kuwait.  Ambassador April Glaspie's ill-chosen words to Saddam helped set the stage for what followed. This nice war benefited from the "Powell Doctrine"-- almost one million coalition troops (about 3/4 US), missiles down chimneys,  and the p.r. campaign by Hill & Knowlton, headed by Poppy's former chief of staff, Craig Fuller.  A highlight of this campaign was the charge of Saddam yanking premature babies from incubators and throwing them to the floor of a Kuwaiti hospital (later shown to be false).

    Poppy was a good manager and we even made some money on that war, what with the contributions from the Saudis and all. A quick war ending in the "highway of death" and mess for the future.  Of course, Poppy in his final days in office had his military response to the humanitarian crisis in Somalia, and what could go wrong with that?

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    I know what Mythbusters is like. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Farmboy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:58:08 AM EST
    I also know that the hosts were invited to the WH event because their show is a good venue for getting students interested in science, technology, engineering, and math - because Adam and Jamie use all those skills while blowing things up.

    I also know that education is a dirty word lately. It reeks of elitism, and we all "know" that Obama is an elitist, what with him attending Harvard, calling himself a professor at the U of Chicago, and such. But hey, I guess looking down on those who see the value of an education is always cool too.

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    Education is not a dirty word (none / 0) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 11:09:17 AM EST
    in this house.  My spouse just won an instructor of the year award.  We believe in quality of education though.

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    Mythbusters does more junk science (none / 0) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 11:14:41 AM EST
    If this is really about getting kids interested in science I can't see why the President wouldn't want to do something with Morgan Freeman.  I think appearing on and with Mythbusters is more about getting attention and approval.

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    who do you think (none / 0) (#113)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 11:39:05 AM EST
    has a bigger audience?  its the same as appearing on the Daily Show.  if you want to talk to young people you have to go where they are.

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    Mythbusters probably (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 02:13:40 PM EST
    His impact ... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:47:59 PM EST
    Maybe the event made sense to me because I'm enthusiastic about education, and the impact that someone like Obama can have on the young.

    ... ain't what it used to be.

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    Pretty sure most K12 students aren't voters (none / 0) (#61)
    by Farmboy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:38:50 AM EST
    but YMMV

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    I'm pretty sure ... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:57:29 AM EST
    In the presidential elections, the so-called millennial generation voted 2-to-1 for Obama, as the Democratic advantage over Republicans stretched to a margin of 62 percent to 30 percent. Among voters in their twenties, Obama's approval rating was 73 percent shortly after his January 2009 inauguration. A year later, in February 2010, that number slipped to 57 percent. The bleeding hasn't stopped: Last week, a poll conducted by Quinnipiac showed the president trailing a generic Republican among 18- to 34-year-olds.

    ... most K-12 students aren't in their twenties.

    YMMV.

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    And the children at the WH event (none / 0) (#64)
    by Farmboy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 09:06:06 AM EST
    were middle and high school  students. Children in that group usually aren't in their twenties, and not voters. Your poll results are not relevant to the attendees at the event nor to my post.

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    My comments were relevant to your claim ... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 09:46:40 AM EST
    ... that "Maybe the event made sense to me because I'm enthusiastic about education, and the impact that someone like Obama can have on the young."

    Unless, of course, you don't think that people in their twenties aren't "young".

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    when it comes to education (none / 0) (#69)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 09:53:51 AM EST
    people in their twenties aren't that young.

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    Disagree (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 10:41:42 AM EST
    Considering that the vast majority of college studentin their 20s, and 38% of college students are 25 or older, I disagree.

    YMMV

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    depends (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 11:32:11 AM EST
    if you want to influence the path of education - college is often too late.

    Yes, they might still be in school, but it's a little late to be getting them "into science" at that point.

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    also (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 01:00:04 PM EST
    if you consider that 47% of people have never set foot in any kind of college - and only 28% ever get a bachelors, than yea, I'd say twenties qualifies as "not young" re. education.

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    Matter of opinion (none / 0) (#84)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:19:31 PM EST
    If you consider that many people continue their education long after college (training for new careers, graduate school, professional continuing education, not to mention non-institutional education, etc.), then I'd say twenties qualifies as young re: education.

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    grad school (none / 0) (#87)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:38:34 PM EST
    was included in that undergrad figure as well.  It's not a very high percentage of the population at all.

    It's true that people go through training later in life, but the reality of the situation is, to have a career in math/science you generally need a Bachelor's in a related field.  That means deciding that you are going to college.  And  that generally means deciding very early on (often before you apply) what you are going to study - since those programs do not offer a whole lot of scheduling flexibility. So unless you have money and time to burn, you have to make that decision very early.  It's not like you can switch majors and still graduate on time.

    You're not going to get career training in theoretical physics/calculus.  Most of that training is focused on a specific skill set or functional training.  Learning how to use a tool.

    If you want to cause a real societal shift (rather than just affect a few outliers), 20 is too old.  That's the reality of the situation.

    In a lot of cases, you have to make decisions early in high school about what classes you might want to be taking, etc...

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    Possibly, if you're limiting the point ... (none / 0) (#90)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 04:32:45 PM EST
    ... to the ability to convince K-12 students to pursue a career in theoretical physics/calculus, or perhaps science in general.  But I was addressing your more general claim:

    When it comes to education people in their twenties aren't that young.


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    I think you are missing the point (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 04:36:25 PM EST
    you dont usually decide to be a research scientist or mathematician or a physicist in college.  or if you do you are starting with a handicap.

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    no kidding (none / 0) (#93)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 04:47:46 PM EST
    It took me just over 4 years to get my degree and I started out with a few APs under my belt and was in a program from day 1 of my freshman year.

    The first "decision" I made about this was at 14 when I decided to take physics early in HS instead of a history class.  That's not to say that taking history would've ended my career - but that was the first of many decisions I had to make well before 20 to set me on that path.

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    I'm not missing that point (none / 0) (#98)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 05:40:24 PM EST
    In fact, I would generally agree with it.  It's just not my point, or the point I was originally responding to.

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    if your point is (none / 0) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 05:43:27 PM EST
    that Obama has no power, or even diminished power,  to influence young people I would strongly disagree.

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    Fine. If so, hopefully he'll use it ... (none / 0) (#100)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 05:54:28 PM EST
    ... to turn out the youth vote in a couple of weeks.

    My mileage varies.

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    BTW - Just to clarify (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 06:03:51 PM EST
    I think that younger voters (in general) were more easily influenced by Obama - in the past.  I also think they were very caught up in the excitement of his candidacy.  That being said, I also believe they're less patient, they're bearing a large brunt of this economy, and they're more likely to be disillusioned by Obama's broken promises.

    Therefore, I'm less sanguine about his ability to get them to turn out and to vote for Dem candidates.  The polls appear to support this.

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    I wrote a lot (none / 0) (#92)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 04:40:09 PM EST
    "if you want to influence the path of education - college is often too late."

    being the main point.

    In general I do still think 20 is "not young" considering half of this country never goes to any kind of college.  But I thought the whole point of this discussion was in relation to education in math and science.

    And believe me, you need that stuff to do just about any kind of career in math/science/engineering - not just theoritcal science.

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    Yeah, saw that (none / 0) (#97)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 05:38:04 PM EST
    You wrote that after the point I was responding to, which was the more general claim that "when it comes to education people in their twenties aren't that young."  My response was in regard to the first (more general) opinion, and originally to the even broader issue of Obama's (diminished) ability to influence "the young," not just his ability to persuade them to study science.

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    my mistake then (none / 0) (#102)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 06:05:07 PM EST
    For assuming context.

    Regardless, twenty is still older than over 50% of ppl in the educational system.  Not sure how you would qualify it as "that young".

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    Easy (none / 0) (#105)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:02:00 PM EST
    By focusing on my point, which was the more general ability of Obama to "influence the young", which IMO includes people in their 20s.

    BTW - Regardless, another way to qualify 20 as "that young" (in an educational context) would be to include those (older) students actually starting to consider educational choices and make decisions about the direction of their education, rather than simply "people in the education system", which would also include a whole lotta kids who would be far more interested in what's for lunch than whether Obama goes to a science fair.

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    Particularly (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Politalkix on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 11:49:14 AM EST
    if you want them to be very good in mathematics (absolute must for the physical sciences and engineering).


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    I think that middle and high school students (none / 0) (#70)
    by Farmboy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 10:22:49 AM EST
    are young, and they were the guests at the WH event under discussion.

    I think Carl is Jung as well, but that's also not the point.

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    Tell ya' what ... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 10:36:50 AM EST
    If you want to limit the discussion to K-12 students at this event, why not say "Maybe the event made sense to me because I'm enthusiastic about education, and the impact that someone like Obama can have on the K-12 students at this event", rather than the impact you think he can have on "the young".

    Otherwise, I'll choose to respond any way I see fit, including addressing your comment re: "the young".

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    And I'll tell you something as well - (none / 0) (#73)
    by Farmboy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 11:01:06 AM EST
    despite you spinning this by putting words in my mouth, I meant exactly what I said.

    I don't care whether you respond as you see fit or are on topic. It's a free country.

    kthxbai

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    No "spinning" ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:24:10 PM EST
    ... or putting words in your mouth, and ...

    ... apparently you do care.

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    indeed (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:09:08 PM EST
    Guess it is easier than actually (none / 0) (#36)
    by BTAL on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:23:59 PM EST
    you know, governing.  YMMV

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    What I would like to know (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by lentinel on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:56:59 PM EST
    is how did all these tea parties get started - become a force - knock out establishment republicans...

    Why in the world can't people on the left side of the ledger do anything but veer between voting for people who have contempt for them and not voting?

    Federal Judge Virginia A. Phillips (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 07:23:37 PM EST
    issued a tentative ruling today denying the DOJ's request for a stay on DADT.  The judge rejected the arguments that "sudden" repeal would place an undue burden on the military, stating that they were "vague" and "insufficient".   That, such arguments will always be since they are based on preconceived stereotypes and homophobia.  Also, it may not have gone unnoticed that these arguments were 17-years old and even the filings were yellowed and dog-eared.  

    It is curious that the Obama administration is adamant that repeal or even a stop loss executive order must await the completion of the Pentagon "study" before it knows what to do. Yet, the moratorium on deep water drilling has been lifted before the Presidential investigative commission has even obtained subpoena power so as to file its  findings and recommendations, in accord with the president's charge, by early next year.

    Priorities are important (none / 0) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 09:33:12 PM EST
    Drill, baby drill is part of the new "liberal" agenda of the "new" Democratic Party. OTOH delaying Congressional action on DADT until after the study is complete will make any changes to that policy less likely.

     

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    Oh, come on (none / 0) (#55)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 11:57:56 PM EST
    I may disgree with it, but there really is no comparison.  The Defense Department is a part of the executive branch, and its honchos are wildly opposed to ending DADT without the proper serious "study" of the effects and the accommodations they believe may be necessary.  IOW, it's not just a legal issue, it's an issue of a massive human infrastructure whose needs you override at your peril as president.

    The two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark.

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    Not sure what you're saying. (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by observed on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:17:45 AM EST
    Revoking DADT would have minimal impact initially, because---duh---the armed forces are already full of gays and lesbians.
    Most military people already know how to accomodate themselves to the horrible burden of being exposed to teh gay.

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    Oh, I agree entirely (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 09:24:44 AM EST
    But the military brass doesn't, is the point, or at least they have to be convinced, or convince themselves.

    It's an issue that isn't even in the same ballpark as a temporary moratorium on drilling by private companies.

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    ".......massive human infrastructure " (none / 0) (#56)
    by NYShooter on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12:45 AM EST
    And so are the armed forces of so many of the top rank, advanced countries in the world.

    Do we Americans come from a different species than those people?

    They had the same timidity/trepidations, faced them, and now function just fine.

    We are so stupid. Ironically, I just watched portions of the Scopes trial on PBS.....how appropriate!

    Oh! BTW, this in no way is meant to contradict your point with which I agree.

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    Apparently so (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 09:28:28 AM EST
    "American exceptionalism" appears to mean we cower in terror before stuff other countries have no problem with-- gays in the military and national health care being two prominent current examples.

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    heres to Christine (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 01:46:55 PM EST
    who has done more damage that any christine since Stephen Kings.

    The exchange came in a debate before an audience of legal scholars and law students at Widener University Law School, as O'Donnell criticized Democratic nominee Chris Coons' position that teaching creationism in public school would violate the First Amendment by promoting religious doctrine.

    Coons said private and parochial schools are free to teach creationism but that "religious doctrine doesn't belong in our public schools."

    "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him.

    When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

    Her comments, in a debate aired on radio station WDEL, generated a buzz in the audience.

    "You actually audibly heard the crowd gasp," said Widener University political scientist Wesley Leckrone



    Oh Jeeesh! (none / 0) (#94)
    by NYShooter on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 05:30:30 PM EST
    Limbaugh explained the whole thing today. And he was on fire as he chastised his loyal "dildo-heads."

    You see, the problem is, conservatives suffer from an inferiority complex. Being conservative means you're the smartest, best informed, and most knowledgeable person in the room, as Christine O`Donnell was at Widener. She was the only person there that knew The Truth, no implied separation of church and state in the Constitution. But being conservative also means you don't go around embarrassing your opponents in public....as those brats in the audience tried to do to her.

    Limbaugh again: "folks, I've been telling you; you better take the gloves off and stop trying to talk sensibly to those Libruls. It's time we started giving as much as we've been taking."

    Anyone else hear Limbaugh today?

    I kid you not, Howdy.

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    How sad! (none / 0) (#107)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:58:34 PM EST
    "Christine" is such a good & wonderful name. I've always loved it, naturally. Now, to avoid coughing or yelling or sneering when I refer to the Republican candidate from Delaware, the O'Donnell last name has to be used in my house. What dishonour she brings to the name!

    About as curiously strange as the 1st Amendment back & forth in that debate was her amnesia regarding the 14th Amendment.

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    this is rather awsum (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 03:41:30 PM EST
    Miller security guards handcuff editor

    PUBLIC EVENT: Incident took place after town hall meeting at middle school.

    The editor of the Alaska Dispatch website was arrested by U.S. Senate candidate Joe Miller's private security guards Sunday as the editor attempted to interview Miller at the end of a public event in an Anchorage school.

    I believe it almost time to stick a fork in Miller.  hes done.

    I can hardly believe this guy used to be (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 03:57:10 PM EST
    a federal magistrate judge, and went to my law school.  Ugh.

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    'If East Germany Could, We Could' (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:29:24 PM EST
    Alaska Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller was asked about illegal immigration at his town hall yesterday, and he said that the country's first priority should be to secure the border. "If East Germany could, we could," he said.


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    That belongs right there with (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:06:34 PM EST
    "Get your Government hands off my Medicare!"

    LOL

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    ya (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:09:40 PM EST
    North Korea does a pretty good job to for that matter.

    in a few years I see a Mexican Reagan "Mr President, tear down this wall!"

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    Someone should ask him if (none / 0) (#12)
    by observed on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:34:26 PM EST
    he plans to consult with the East German government on this question.

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    Who knew... (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 03:51:05 PM EST
    private security had arrest powers?  

    Reminds me of my main man Easterbrook's constant righteous harping about self-important d*uchebags and their unnecessary security details just so they can look/feel important.

    This supports TMQ's contention that nearly all bodyguards supplied to federal, state and even local officials at taxpayer expense are not present to provide safety -- they are present to make the official seem more important. Think what would be the case if the bodyguards were, in fact, needed to provide security. Government would be saying to the public, "We are using your tax money to make ourselves safe, but doing nothing to protect you." If the world is really so dangerous that city council members and mid-level federal officials need bodyguards, then doesn't everybody need a bodyguard?

    Of course the world is not that dangerous -- violent crime is in a generation-long cycle of decline. The bodyguards for public officials are strictly to make them seem important, plus allow them to double-park, cut in line, speed in traffic and so on. This nonsense is funded with money forcibly extracted from your pocket.

    Amen Gregg.

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    had arrest powers? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 03:52:46 PM EST
    they do not.  that is why this could get interesting.

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    "rent-an-Eskimo." (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:01:14 PM EST
                                 
    Lisa Murkowksi funded by 'rent-an-Eskimo' racket

    Randy who? (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:07:27 PM EST
    What a game.  That grind-out win against the Ravens was more encouraging than any blowout could've been.  Came down to 4th quarter and OT heroics, clutch plays when clutch plays were needed, and solid, lock-down D when it counted.

    'Twas a great game. My Boston brother (none / 0) (#9)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:23:33 PM EST
    was similarly charged-up when we spoke this AM.

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    full disclosure (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:29:50 PM EST
    I think for the first 3.75 quarters almost everyone watching that game in Boston thought NE was going to lose.

    But everything that was supposed to be wrong about them went right.

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    But those of us in Baltimore knew (none / 0) (#28)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:18:56 PM EST
    that if they stopped doing what was working - throwing the ball against a not-so-great NE defense - and went with the Ray Rice Show that wasn't, Baltimore would lose.

    And they did.  Thank you, Cam Cameron for the wimpy fourth quarter plan...the city is not happy with him today.

    Very hard to see that one get away, and the helmet-launch on Todd Heap was disgusting; it should get a suspension, especially considering he tried to do it to Heap earlier in the game.

    And for a change, the officials weren't buying Brady's he-almost-touched-me! histrionics...such a diva, that Tom!  Hate the new Justin Bieber look, by the way...

    Maybe we'll see you in the post-season - I could watch a repeat of last season's playoff game!

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    Didn't see the game, (none / 0) (#43)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 07:12:11 PM EST
    and sorry to hear about the Ravens loss.  Sounds like they got a lead then maybe tried to grind down the clock with a safe running game.  If so, you can't do that against the Pats -- always play boldly until there are only 45 seconds left and you're up by not one but two scores.  Then you can go conservative.

    As for the helmet to helmet, the NFL needs to crack down but hard on this growing problem.  Wimpy penalties on the field and fines the players usually can absorb with no sweat, and w/o suspensions, aren't going to work.  And we're only lucky so far there hasn't been a serious life-threatening injury.

    I enjoy the NFL far more than the sleep-inducing MLB, but watching strong, fast players collide like that with the head makes me more than a little uneasy.  Goodell needs to step in quickly and start handling this reckless on-field behavior in the serious way he deals with off field reckless behavior.  Meantime shame on some of the win-at-all-costs head coaches for not discouraging such dangerous play.

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    "....sleep-inducing MLB"? (none / 0) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 10:07:17 PM EST
    Is it just baseball, or any endeavor requiring knowledge, intellect, and/or appreciation of incredibly rare skills?

    Then again, Picasso painted fat ladies with multiple noses extruding from their necks.

    Gotcha, lol

    Just kidding......(How's about chess? physics??

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    But the Colts won. (none / 0) (#44)
    by BTAL on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 07:19:31 PM EST
    Sorry, couldn't resist.

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    Baseball depresses me (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:35:55 PM EST
    Don't know why.  But I'd rather have my teeth cleaned or paint polka dots on my toe nails than have to watch baseball.  I'd probably skip a root canal though and just shut up and watch it.

    I didn't know... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:05:58 PM EST
    you were a Mets fan too!

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    You are quick today (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:11:19 PM EST
    I'm going to dig up a 5 hour energy I have stashed around here just to make it through dinner dishes.  My husband bought two boxes of them over a month ago and we are starting to fight over the scraps.

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    A couple of the guys... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:51:32 PM EST
    on my football team rock those 5 hour thingies before games...buncha junkies:)

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    Wait a sec ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 07:57:45 PM EST
    KDog has a football team?  A football team?!?

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    Hell yeah Robo... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 10:10:59 PM EST
    Rec league rough touch football, swollen knee and bruised hip to show for yesterdays action.  Hurts so good after 2 wins.

    I'm a renaissance man, many interests, proficient at none of 'em:)

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    How 'bout (none / 0) (#26)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:11:38 PM EST
    De jets, Bro?

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    Nice for Gang Green to win... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:32:49 PM EST
    a game they should lose after a lifetime of losing games they should win...I'll take it baby!  Sanchez coulda thrown 4 picks, hope they got on that during the bye.  Revis looked human, hope they ain't rushing him back with this hammy.

    Lasting impression, even though it worked for us this time, I hate seeing games decided on 50 yard interference penalties, even blatant interference like the 4th and 6 yesterday. I think it's time to make it a 15 yard penalty 1st Down...I understand this gives incentive to interfering on deep balls where you are likely beat, but considering the refs ticky-tack call it so often, and all the rule changes in favor of the WR's, it is time to throw DB's a bone. My two cents.

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    Yup, no matter what anyone says (none / 0) (#33)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:59:37 PM EST
    Every player, every coach, every fan, and probably (most) every ump/referee, in their heart of hearts, believe tournament games should be officiated with a somewhat "let'em play"  bias.

    And don't worry about Sanchez; I see a lot of Joe Willie (not "Broadway Joe") in him.

    He's got "the look" and week by week, another step towards greatness.

    And I'm the only guy I know who actually threw down a C-note on the Jets -18 in '69.  

    Greatness for Sanchez? I guarantee it!

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    Jets PLUS 18! (none / 0) (#35)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:12:53 PM EST
    don't get old dog-man

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    the root canal (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 04:38:05 PM EST
    thing would be a tough call

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    And Xplay is just mean (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 05:25:58 PM EST
    Josh had Xplay on the other day, I was cleaning house and all of a sudden the host says that this one game is as unchallenging as binary sudoku or something like that.  I'm so offended, what the hell Xplay?  No need to gun down simple minded people like me, I control the damned checkbook in this house :)

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    I love that song and I love (none / 0) (#39)
    by byteb on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 06:43:24 PM EST
    the Yankees!

    The way things are looking (none / 0) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 01:08:45 AM EST
    perhaps the better theme song for the Yankees should be: The Way We Were

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    Cliff Lee owns (none / 0) (#58)
    by Makarov on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:26:11 AM EST
    just saying

    Also, (none / 0) (#59)
    by Makarov on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:27:57 AM EST
    why do managers intentionally walk the bases loaded with nobody out? Even if the next batter GIDP, a run still scores.

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    It depends on the batting lineup and whether (none / 0) (#81)
    by Angel on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:01:44 PM EST
    or not the players walked to base are strong runners; what type of pitches the upcoming batters are good at hitting; and it also gives the pitcher the option of going with pitches that have a good percentage of being hit into the infield and have a good change of being turned into a double play.    

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    recruiters told to accept gay applicants (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:05:15 PM EST
    hah! (none / 0) (#83)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:18:51 PM EST
    you beat me to it.

    I was just about to post that.

    Talk about a weird situation.  Also

    "U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips, who had ordered the military to stop enforcing "don't ask, don't tell," was expected to deny the administration's request to delay her order."

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    they (none / 0) (#86)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:36:28 PM EST
    said that was likely to happen today, right?

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    yup (none / 0) (#88)
    by CST on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:40:35 PM EST
    fingers crossed.

    In a way, rejecting the stay, and requiring them to proceed with this while appealling should take some air out of the "process" argument.

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    a friend of mine (none / 0) (#89)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 04:25:33 PM EST
    just pointed me to this

    Heaven Earth and Joe Davis

    from wiki (cant cut and paste from the film site)

    Joe Davis (born 1953) is a research affiliate in the Department of Biology at MIT. His research and art includes work in the fields of molecular biology, bioinformatics, "space art", and sculpture, using media including but not limited to centrifuges, radios, prosthetics, magnetic fields, and genetic material. Davis' teaching positions have been at MIT and the Rhode Island School of Design.
    Davis' works include the sculpture "Earth Sphere," a landmark at Kendall Square, Cambridge, Mass., near the MIT campus[1]; "Rubisco Stars," a transmission of a message to nearby stars from the Arecibo radiotelescope in Puerto Rico, carried out in Nov. 2009[2][3]; "New Age Ruby Falls," a project to create an artificial aurora using a 100,000 watt electron beam fired into the magnetosphere from a NASA space shuttle [4], which has not yet been carried out, and "Microvenus," a piece of symbolic art involving engineering the genetic code of a microbe.
    Davis' work has been featured in articles in Scientific American[8], Nature magazine, and several books. In addition, a feature-length documentary about Davis entitled "Heaven and Earth and Joe Davis" is currently in post-production[9][10][11]. The Washington Post recently termed Davis the "éminence grise of the 'bioart' movement", offering further, "Davis eschews the art versus science argument, insisting that he speaks both languages and could not possibly tear the two disciplines apart in his own mind."[12]


    oops (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 05:35:01 PM EST
    missed a four letter word.  sorry.

    you're forgiven (none / 0) (#103)
    by NYShooter on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 06:10:22 PM EST
    It's official, Rushbo megalomania has gone viral.

    I'm sure you recall the pathetic, whimpering cowardice shown by some Republican politicians when they were called out by R.L.for displaying a perceived, momentary blip of humanity. Maybe it was some mild rebuke to virulent homophobes, or an attempt at cognitive reasoning re: health care......it doesn't matter. After a tongue lashing from R.L, and thousands of hateful threats from "the faithful, Mensa dildos, they invariably slithered back to their comforting dens of insanity and apologized so vehemently, and pathetically that you could only watch open mouthed.

    Yup, the depraved denizen of ditto land has once again outdone himself. Now an errant politician who tragically wanders into a nano second of clarity is not simply bludgeoned from afar but summoned, in person, to have the tape containing the lapse into reality played out loud while being ordered to "explain yourself!"
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    "Republican Rep. Darrell Issa made a very big mistake. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, he said the following about what Republicans should do if they're successful in the fall elections:
    "It's pretty clear the American people expect us to use the existing gridlock to create compromise and advance their agenda," said Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.). "They want us to come together [with the administration] after we agree to disagree."
    This is not what Rush Limbaugh wanted to hear. Attacking Issa and other establishment Republicans at the top of today's show, Limbaugh said the idea of compromise would push people away from the GOP and into a third party - and that compromising with the Democrats was akin to compromise with the Taliban.
    It appears Limbaugh's audience voiced their concerns to Issa's staff and the congressman was soon a guest of Limbaugh's in order to genuflect.
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    The bungee cord has been severed; there's no going back.

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    Harassment of Anita Hill (none / 0) (#104)
    by Politalkix on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 07:21:05 PM EST
    Ginny Thomas' call to Anita Hill, (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 08:14:37 PM EST
    requesting that Hill apologize for her testimony at Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing, is at best creepy and inappropriate. At worst, a bit threatening.

    I was glad to read that both Professor Hill and Brandies University are taking this whole thing seriously and that the voice mail was turned over to the FBI.

    That Ginny Thomas described the voice mail as reaching out to Hill, rather the subtle threat it seemed to be, is just choice. And why now? Clarence Thomas' confirmation was more than two decades ago.

    If anyone deserves an apology it is Prof. Hill, and not just from Thomas, but also from every member of that Senate Judiciary Comm., starting with the then committee chair Joe Biden, and including current Catfood Commission co-chair Alan Simpson and soon to be ex-Senator Arlen Specter.

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    "I'm sorry your husband harrassed me." (5.00 / 0) (#109)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 10:24:37 AM EST
    I'm sorry you're delusional and married to a (none / 0) (#110)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 10:54:33 AM EST
    freak."  

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    I just saw this article. How disgusting. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Angel on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 11:39:23 PM EST
    I hope Anita Hill goes after her for harassment.  

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