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Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki has surfaced in a video posted today calling for the death of Americans and blasting all Arab and Yemeni leaders as "corrupt." Not a smart way to gain friends and influence people when there's a kill target on your back.

Anwar al-Awlaki said no permission was needed to kill Americans as they are from the "party of devils".... "If the leaders are corrupt, the scholars have the responsibility to lead the nation."

Your turn. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    its (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 12:52:06 PM EST
    my birthday.   again.

    Feliz Cumpleanos... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:07:33 PM EST
    viejo hombre!

    Party Hearty!

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    Happy Birthday! (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:09:10 PM EST
    And χρόνια πολλά ("Many Years," as in "May you live many years," the traditional Greek benediction on these occasions.)

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    Ah, another fellow Scorpio. (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:20:57 PM EST
    Happy Birthday!  Mine was Saturday and I survived crossing the half-century mark...

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    Mine is tommorrow.... (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by vml68 on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:37:48 PM EST
    the half-century mark is about a deacde away...:-)

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    you dont (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:39:35 PM EST
    even have all your permanent teeth yet!

    Parent
    Happy B-Day (none / 0) (#134)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:09:02 PM EST
    Note to self... (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:42:34 PM EST
    do not anger or scorn the Capt, the Hawkeye, vml, or any other scorpios amongst us...:)

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    I'm a Gemini (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:51:42 PM EST
    So when I upset them, I pluck out a different  personality and throw it on the stage to try to delight them.  It usually works, they are charmed.  But they know they can kill all the personalities on a whim so they can afford to be :)

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    another Scorpio here (none / 0) (#100)
    by Dadler on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:57:24 PM EST
    birthday soon.  

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    dude (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:25:52 PM EST
    I did that nine years ago.  I will be able to say I am "in my 50s" for one more year.

    I would have pegged you a scorpio.  I seem to gravitate to them.  of the small group of people that have become my friends since I have been working here I have learned that we all have birthdays within a week of each other.

    we are celebrating next week by going to see Skyline during working hours.


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    My best friend's... (none / 0) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:31:42 PM EST
    ...birthday is also today--we've been friends since 7th grade.  A bunch of friends have b-days the last couple days of October and later this month.  Must be something to that.  

    I had a nice evening with friends at a local steakhouse on Saturday night--despite the fact they screwed up the reservation and had us down for 5p instead of 7p.  I'm 50, not 70 for crying out loud!

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    yep (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:35:06 PM EST
    have two best friends left from highschool and college days.
    they both have birthdays this week.

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    happy birthday to you both! (none / 0) (#35)
    by CST on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:47:16 PM EST
    haha - not surprised by scorpio at all :)

    I live with one.  Pretty tame, right up to the point of explosion.  I have many years of experience causing explosions.

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    you are probably a (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:01:27 PM EST
    pisces or libra or one of those signs that can put up with us.

     

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    that's funny (none / 0) (#69)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:41:52 PM EST
    My best friend from high school's birthday is 4 days after mine, and her husband's birthday is my birthday.

    Parent
    Happy Birthday (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:45:14 PM EST
    I'm so original...

    Parent
    feliz cumpleanos! (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:06:23 PM EST
    thanks all (none / 0) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:10:40 PM EST
    feels like groundhog day

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    That about says it, Capt (none / 0) (#111)
    by christinep on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:48:32 PM EST
    But, its more fun than Groundhog's Day. Have a beautiful day!

    Parent
    Happy birthday (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:19:12 PM EST
    and I hope you have many more.

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    Happy Birthday (none / 0) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:25:47 PM EST
    Hope you have a great day and a even better year.

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    Blewyn newydd dda! (none / 0) (#20)
    by observed on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:28:41 PM EST
    Happy bday (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:46:38 PM EST
    You were right about Dexter and Lumen too.

    Parent
    great episode (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:51:51 PM EST
    last night.
    was it clear where we were going when she took Harrison?

    also I love the two new targets.

    and she helps him set up the kill room next week!

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    My husband was jealous (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:56:34 PM EST
    I told him how good you are at calling the next Dexter development and I told him your latest predictions.  Then he told me you were wrong about Lumen and that she was going to be a child protege.  I told him that couldn't be because he has Harrison.  When the episode was over, he had obviously called it wrong :)

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    heres the season question (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:59:57 PM EST
    will he let her do one?

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    heh (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:06:21 PM EST
    I say yes.  whether he let her or not she will be born in blood for real

     

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    that kid (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:57:29 PM EST
    would have an interesting life

    Parent
    My husband said that you are (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:21:20 PM EST
    wrong about the nanny too, but Josh thinks you are right and he said he's looking up that Saint tonight when he gets home from school to try to figure it out.

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    ya (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:27:08 PM EST
    the nanny is totally to good to be true.  dont know what her story is but I think it will be good.

    did you see Boardwalk Empire yesterday?
    they little speech about the soldier caught in the barbed wire reminded me of this:

    127 Hours

    tagline:
    there is no force on earth more powerful than the will to live

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    This movie is getting really good reviews (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:31:57 PM EST
    particularly the starring actor I'm hearing.

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    had not thought of looking into (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:37:12 PM EST
    St Bridget.  smart kid you have there.
    here a couple of interesting passages from catholic forum dot com:

    One story tells us of a poor wood-cutter who by mistake had slain a tame wolf, the King's favourite pet, and who for this was condemned to die. As soon as the news was brought to Saint Bridget, she lost not a moment, but set out in the old convent cart to plead with the King for his life. Perhaps her pleading might have been in vain had it not been that as she drove through the wood a wolf sprang out of the undergrowth and leapt into the car. Loving all animals, tame or wild, Saint Bridget nodded a welcome to her visitor and patted his head, and he, quite contentedly, crouched down at her feet, as tame as any dog.

    Arrived at the palace, Saint Bridget demanded to see the King, and with the wolf meekly following, was led into his presence.

    "I have brought thee another tame wolf," said Saint Bridget, "and bid thee pardon that poor soul, who did thee a mischief unknowingly."

    and this


    It was on that night, so the legend runs, when the Blessed Virgin came to Bethlehem, weary and travel-worn, and could find no room in the village inn, that Saint Bridget was sent by God to help and comfort her. In the quiet hours of the starry night, when on the distant hills the wondering shepherds heard the angels' song, Saint Bridget passed the stable door and paused, marvelling at the light that shone with such dazzling brilliance from within. Surely no stable lantern could shed such a glow as that which shone around the manger there. Softly Saint Bridget entered and found the fair young Mother bending over the tiny newborn Child, wrapping His tender little limbs about with swaddling bands.

    There was no need to ask who He was. Bridget knew it was the King, and kneeling there, she worshipped too. Then very tenderly she led the young Mother to a soft bed of sweet bay and prayed her that she would rest awhile.

    "Sweet Mary," she implored, "rest, and I meanwhile will watch and tend the Child." And Mary, looking into Bridget's kind blue eyes, and feeling the touch of her tender strong hands, trusted her with her Treasure, and bade her take the Child and watch Him until the morning should break.



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    but of course (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:59:00 PM EST
    you know the only reason to introduce loved ones to someone like Dexter is so they can torture us with cliff hangers and nail biters.

    I expect a bumpy season.

    Parent

    I think it is getting more into the realm (none / 0) (#79)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:57:17 PM EST
    of comic book super-hero creation myth territory this year, in an interesting way.

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    I have been saying (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:58:38 PM EST
    for about three seasons that Dexters is really a super hero story.

    Parent
    I need to get hit on the head with these (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:03:07 PM EST
    things sometimes. Last night it just reminded me of batman and batgirl, and little bat-baby.

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    But I really hope they don't (none / 0) (#85)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:04:20 PM EST
    go to far and throw in supernatural stuff. They will lose me then. I don't think they will.

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    they will not do that (none / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:29:42 PM EST
    guaranteed.  the writers of that show do not cheat.
    I remember at the end of last season I hung out at the dexter blog for a few days and all the Rita groupies were like "shes not really dead, its a dream, blah blah, well ok then the series will have to start next season years in the future . . ."

    no, I said.  these writers do not cheat.  next season will begin exactly where this one left off and Rita is dead.

    get used to it.

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    Really was a good one (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:53:06 PM EST
    I'm waiting for the neighbor to notice Lumen living in the house. That's not going to go well.

    I think Quinn's ex-cop private detective is the most incompetent ever.

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    well (none / 0) (#80)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:58:02 PM EST
    he knows she is there. I really like Peter Weller and I think his character shows promise of being very interesting.  a real troublemaker.

    I think she is going to be introduced to the cast soon.  have no idea how but it seems inevitable

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    that's true (none / 0) (#103)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:10:33 PM EST
    But has he even tried following Dexter around? Seems like he would learn  something... of course that did not work out well for Doakes.

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    Many Happy (none / 0) (#56)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:15:52 PM EST
    Returns!

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    Happy Birthday old timer... (none / 0) (#133)
    by desertswine on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 09:48:26 PM EST
    and many, many more.

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    I miss Hawaii (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Dadler on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:04:20 PM EST
    Can't believe it's almost a month since we were in Kona.

    And I'll say it now: my Lakers are going to make a run at best record in NBA history. I love the off-season additions. I love this team.

    And University of San Diego Torero basketball season starts this week. I can't stand the coach, but I love dem hoops. Go blue! (nd SDSU's red and black!)

    would that be (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 09, 2010 at 09:09:55 AM EST
    the water fall from Jurassic Park?

    the one where my friend Andy composited a fake helicopter landing pad at the bottom of?

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    Hoopyball! (none / 0) (#15)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:23:23 PM EST
    I'm hoping the Hawks finally got a decent coach (after suffering through Alford and Lickliter) and might even have an enjoyable team to watch this year.  

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    My best sailing/snorkeling adventure (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:24:43 PM EST
    was in Kona. Would love to do it again sometime in the not to distant future.

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    Peter Daou (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:07:15 PM EST
    has an interesting take on the 60 minutes interview saying Obama "apologizes for being a democrat."

    I couldn't stand to (none / 0) (#9)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:11:07 PM EST
    watch it, because I feared that my blood pressure would skyrocket, but from the parts of it that I read, I would say that Daou is pretty close to being correct.

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    Peter Daou (none / 0) (#13)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:19:29 PM EST
    has as much credibility on Obama as Bob Somerby, he's one of the people who basically went nuts sometime in early 2008.

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    Maybe, if by "basically went nuts" ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:30:23 PM EST
    ... you mean "basically was right".

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    No I mean (none / 0) (#46)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:01:48 PM EST
    lost fricking minds- in much the same way some people think Booman did over Obama- whereas Booman excused Obama too much, they were overly critical and jumped for the chance to attack Obama for any illusory slight.

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    False equivalency (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:14:39 PM EST
    Comparing Daou/Somerby to Booman is like comparing Dan Rather to Anne Coulter.

    Don't think so?

    List some examples of Daou and Somerby being "basically nuts".

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    Booman stopped excusing Obama (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:19:55 PM EST
    for every little thing?  When did that happen?  Nobody told me!  That's the last straw around here :)  I am always out of the loop

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    You didn't miss anything (none / 0) (#66)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:35:41 PM EST
    he still excuses Obama and Daou,et al still criticize him.

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    What (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:40:20 PM EST
    problems do you have with the substance of what Daou is saying? Obama is saying that Tom Coburn is a wonderful guy?

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    You can say someone is a good guy (none / 0) (#44)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:00:10 PM EST
    while disagreeing with everything they say- I mean a Senator from Oklahoma (either Coburn or Inhoffe) recently talked about how Pelosi was a good person and yet somehow I doubt that they agree much on policy grounds.

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    He (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:03:44 PM EST
    doesn't say that though.

    "There are some sincere Republicans in the Senate like Tom Coburn, Oklahoma, who is about as conservative as they come, but a real friend of mine and somebody who has always had the courage of his convictions and not, you know, bringing pork projects back to Oklahoma. And it may be that that's an example of where, on a bipartisan basis, we can work together to change practices in Washington that generate a lot of the distrust of government."

    He talks about how much he has in common with him not how Coburn has whacked out ideas. No wonder the GOP won. Even Obama seems to think that they are better than him.

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    Theres nothing in that statement (none / 0) (#65)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:34:12 PM EST
    that suggests he thinks the GOP is better in ideas if anything it says just what I said it did- that despite disagreements over policy Coburn is a good man who Obama can work with- now, this is basically the exact same thing every President says when he loses seats in congress so given that I don't see how you can view this as any different than what Clinton said in 1994 or what Reagan said in 1982- "my policies have worked to an extent, my opponents are men I can work with, etc."

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    That's (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:50:00 PM EST
    the problem. The GOP is not going to work with him. He is letting them run all over him. Heck, he let them run all over him even before the midterms. If he hasn't learned that yet he never will.

    Accept it--the guy is a wimp.

    Read the whole post. It's pretty insightful.

    Parent

    Didn't they just make a very public announcement (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by nycstray on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:55:48 PM EST
    to that effect, along with making sure to destroy his presidency and any chance at a second term?

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    What I'm asking you (none / 0) (#86)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:06:26 PM EST
    is how this differs from 1994- you can say all you want that Obama is a coward or a wimp politically- but the facts on the ground tend to argue the opposite (at least in terms of Presidential convictions)- unlike Clinton who was too scared to stand and fight on HCR Obama stuck with it and his courarge and perserverance was rewarded with its passage after 15 months of political wrangling- that's not the actions of a man/administration unwilling to fight for something- if he lacked convictions he would have let Health Care die when it appeared clear that 60 votes would never be reached after Scott Brown won in Massachussetts instead he doubled down and won.

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    Obama had the courage to (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by observed on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:18:58 PM EST
    make a backroom deal and screw the little guy???
    Hmm

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    Are you (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:22:42 PM EST
    kidding? Obama did not stand and fight on HCR. He caved and produced a bad bill. He was constantly chasing the GOP for votes and kept moving the bill to the right to get their votes and he never got them did he? He would have been better off just putting up a good bill that went down in flames instead of a bad bill that got passed.

    He has NO convictions. If he had convictions then he wouldn't have continually told people there was going to be a public option and then stabbed people in the back.

    And the fact that he spent 15 months on such a crappy bill makes people even madder. He could have spent 2 months and gotten a crappy bill passed. He spent 15 months on this and completely ignored the economy. That's a recipe for disaster and that's why the Dems lost a ton of seats.

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    Yeah because the whole (none / 0) (#128)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:44:39 PM EST
    let the bill go down in flames thing worked out so well last time- hey it only took a decade and half for it to be raised again. Maybe Obama can slash the capital gains tax rate, push through more free trade and help ease the regulatory burden on Wall Street after all that was the recipe for success the last time a Dem was in the Whitehouse (well, that and the tech boom- if only Obama could have been lucky enough to have a speculative bubble combine with a once in century economic transition).

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#130)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 06:35:26 PM EST
    wow a decade and a half but Obama may have ruined the chances for good HCR for half a century! Great work there!

    And now the party is stuck trying to defend this POS instead of just being able to move on and try again. it worse than if it had gone done in flames.

    He is advocating for more free trade. that's what he's in India doing.

    Good grief the apologia knows no bounds. You can't even make an intellectually honest debate about the issues.

    Parent

    No, I think he's good with ... (none / 0) (#131)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 07:59:59 PM EST
    ... regulatory reform, financial regulation and free trade.  Judging by his monor roll-backs of deregulation that happened during GWB's administration and the fact that he has no problem with GLB, I guess he doesn't buy your premise that GLB caused the financial meltdown.  He does have major issues with NAFTA, however, and has assured people that share your concerns that renegotiating NAFTA will be a top priority.  Oh, wait ...

    ... never mind.

    That was way back when he needed your votes.

    BTW - The "lucky enough"/"speculative bubble" was a nice touch.  I do love a bedtime fairytale ...

    Parent

    "Stand and fight"?!?!?! (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:07:29 PM EST
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ..... Obama???  You're seriously suggesting Obama "stood and fought" for HCR?  Oh ...... my ..... G0d .........

    When was that?  Was that before or after he bargained away any real reform with backroom deals with the pharmaceutical and insurance lobbyists?  Was that before or after he promised a public option would be in his plan?  Was that before or after he abandonded those in the Senate that wanted to push for a public option and left them "leaderless"?  Was that before or after Democratic leaders had to beg Obama to provide leadership on HCR instead of sitting on the sidelines to avoid getting dirty?

    Obama's "courage and perserverance"????

    Funny stuff ...

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    Yeah because (none / 0) (#126)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:41:47 PM EST
    forming a cartel with Big Insurance and shutting everyone else out worked so well in 1993. Oh wait. Seriously, HCR is incremental- I mean if you people were around in the 30s you'd have harped about how Social Security only got passed because FDR basically treated African-Americans as if they were still property- rather than noting that insanely racist structure of Social Security (as well as FDRs help in preventing anti-lynching laws from being passed) helped enable its passage in the first place. Hell if Obama was FDR he would have offered to push through this same HCR legislation only he would have added a provision that said it didn't apply to first generation Americans or Gay People, then he would vetoed the Matthew Sheppard act because "those people should be ruled by their communities".

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    pssssssst!!! According to Obama (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by nycstray on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:49:53 PM EST
    it is Health INSURANCE Reform, NOT Care. just sayin' . . .
     

    Parent
    You're absolutely right (none / 0) (#132)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 08:05:50 PM EST
    Well, if by "incremental" you mean "make backroom deals to avoid a fight, give them (insurance/everything they want, break all your promises, flip-flop like freshly landed fish, hide on the sidelines while any heat is taken by Congress and end up with a POS legislation that isn't worth the paper it's written on", then

    yeah, ...

    ... you're right.

    Parent

    Come on... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:14:42 PM EST
    Obama had huge majorities in both houses of Congress and Clinton did not.

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    He had majorities in both houses (none / 0) (#143)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:39:15 PM EST
    from 1992-1994- then he lost both houses.

    Parent
    thanksgiving turkey cake (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:12:17 PM EST
    this actually sounds sort of good.

    all it needs is a Durkee Green Been casserole layer and it would be there.

    No, thanks (none / 0) (#11)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:15:20 PM EST
    I think I'll pass.  ;-)

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    Green bean casserole..... (none / 0) (#23)
    by vml68 on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:33:58 PM EST
    many years ago, when I was a newbie to this country, a friend of mine invited me to her parent's place for Thanksgiving.
    I had green bean casserole for the first time and liked it enough to ask what the dish was called. My friend's brother told me it was called "White trash casserole". You should have seen the look on my friend's mothers face when I told her that I liked her "white trash casserole"!!

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    thats (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:35:58 PM EST
    hilarious.

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    That's just wrong, ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:36:13 PM EST
    ... but I may have to try it.

    Parent
    I sent my sister (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:38:12 PM EST
    that link so I expect to see that on the table next month.


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    For dessert (none / 0) (#107)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:20:12 PM EST
    Maybe a little Turkey Cranberry Cupcakes with Maple Buttercream Icing.

    Although, at some point, I guess it goes over the line ...

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    isnt that the whole point (none / 0) (#110)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:33:26 PM EST
    of thanksgiving?

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    I am very excited about this (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:55:57 PM EST
    New hearing ordered for 'West Memphis Three'

    LITTLE ROCK (AP) -- The three men convicted in the grisly murders of three West Memphis Cub Scouts won new hearings Thursday to argue their innocence, more than 15 years after they were sent to prison despite scant physical evidence linking them to the crime scene.

    if you have been reading these comments long you know I have been on a soapbox about these guy for, well, years.

    in spite of many celebrities and others championing their cause and two HBO documentaries that are stunning in thier ability to debunk everything they were charged with they have remained in prison and one on death row for crimes the clearly did not commit.

    if  you want to lose some sleep there is an amazing book called "The Devils Knot - the true story of the west memphis three"

    Good news (none / 0) (#91)
    by republicratitarian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:27:32 PM EST
    if Dexter lived (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:34:07 PM EST
    he would be all over this

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    At this point... (none / 0) (#94)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:39:39 PM EST
    in that sorry case of injustice, we need to just bake those kids a cake with a file in it.

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    this was my favorite part (none / 0) (#97)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:45:41 PM EST
    It was not clear when the new hearings would occur, and the court ordered that a new judge be reassigned to the case because Burnett was elected this year to the state Senate.

    so in other words they will get a second chance because, true to the Peter Principal, the judge who railroaded them got promoted.

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    And the prosecutors are judges now right? (none / 0) (#108)
    by republicratitarian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:23:56 PM EST
    The DNA part is questionable to me, (none / 0) (#114)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:57:13 PM EST
    surely SOME of the DNA should have been from the accused/convicted.


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    thats really not even the most amazing part (none / 0) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:00:22 PM EST
    that would the guy who had all his teeth pulled.  one of the "clues" was bite marks on the little boys.
    I highly recommend those HBO docs.  Im sure they are on netflix.


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    shorter version (none / 0) (#116)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:02:35 PM EST
    they convicted three poor white trash boys because they wore black clothes listened to metal and read Stephen King.  the real murder was clearly the guy who had his teeth pulled.  who happened to have a history of being a police informant.

    just thinking about it makes me angry.


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    bling! (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:08:18 PM EST
    New Delhi:  Spellbound by Barack Obama's speech in the Parliament, a Congress MP from Andhra Pradesh today gifted a golden chain with south sea pearls which he was wearing to the US President who immediately accepted it.


    doe he count as a small donor? (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:14:56 PM EST
    A a A (none / 0) (#6)
    by jharp on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:08:27 PM EST
    You've got to substitute religious crackpots in place of scholars. And it pretty much nails it.

    Anwar al-Awlaki is a teabagger.

    follow-up on strange sentencing request in Iowa (none / 0) (#17)
    by desmoinesdem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:24:43 PM EST
    Over the weekend I posted this in one of the open threads:

    Polk County prosecutors have requested that a Grinnell grandmother and a Des Moines man be sentenced to a permanent ban from the Federal Building in Des Moines for their persistent anti-war protests.

    Civil rights advocates are sounding alarms, saying the request, if granted, smacks of a blatant First Amendment violation, which guarantees free speech and the right to petition government.

    "It's highly unusual and it's certainly something that deserves tremendous scrutiny to whether or not it's appropriate," said Ben Stone, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Iowa. "It seems difficult to comprehend the justification for this."

    Christine Gaunt, 54, has for the past eight months frequently staged "die-ins" where she outlines her body in chalk dust and pretends to be dead in the Des Moines offices of Senators Charles Grassley and Tom Harkin.

    In many cases federal protection service officials gently scooped her limp body into a wheelchair and escorted her from the building, often times giving her a $100 citation, she said.

    But, in August, she and Des Moines resident Elton Davis were arrested on trespassing charges after months of their non-violent protests.

    Arrests of anti-war protesters at the Federal Building are common.  What's unusual is that Polk County prosecutors on Thursday asked Iowa District Judge Odell McGhee to sentence the duo to a permanent Federal Building ban.

    McGhee chose to continue the sentencing hearing to Nov. 12.

    Has anyone ever heard of peaceful protesters being permanently banned from a government building? Is there precedent for this?

    Elton Davis commented at Bleeding Heartland:

    In this instance, it is a case of the Federal Protective Service Police attempting to write a law instead of enforcing the law.  And trust me, if Commander Goldberg of the Homeland Security FPS ever does decide to run for congress, God forbid, I will shave, get a haircut, set aside my devout anarchist principles and run against his ass.

    Commander Goldberg of the Department of Homeland Security Federal Protective Service has stated his desire in the past to ban us, and especially Chris from the Des Moines Federal Building where the Senator's offices are located.

    After our conviction last week, the Assistant County Attorney prosecuting our case stated that she wished to explore banning us from entering the Des Moines Federal Building, in the Same manner they ban shoplifters from department stores or Walmart or such.

    Sentencing was deferred until next Friday.

    I would appreciate any insight from the attorneys on this board.

    Paging CST... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:35:25 PM EST
    Ms. CST...have you had a chance to peep the latest AFC East standings?...:)

    My Jets looked putrid, but a W is a W (Thanks Coach Schwartz!)...meanwhile the Pats made Peyton Hillis look like vintage John Riggins...dude ran roughshod.

    Paging MileHi, Mr. MileHi...I can't believe the Broncos traded that stud straight up for "Cindy" Brady Quinn!

    But y'all had to be at the youth soccer pitches on LI to see the play of the day...my 8 year old niece boots a laser-guided missile from outside the box off the post and in for the equalizer in an eventual 4-1 win...every parent and spectator there had to pull their jaw off the turf...I don't think I've ever booted a ball that hard and true at 8, 18, or 28 years of age.  It was sick.

    One of many... (none / 0) (#33)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:43:52 PM EST
    ...horrid personnel moves by little lord McFraud.  Payton was a huge fan favorite too.  I'm glad to see him going so well in his new home.

    We need a new coach and a new GM--are you listening Pat Bowlen?!?

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    ugh (none / 0) (#37)
    by CST on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:51:47 PM EST
    I thought the Jets loss would be my silver lining... thanks a lot Lions...

    What a stinker, but it did feel like a trap game going in.

    Honestly, I think our biggest problems were on offense/special teams.  You put the D on the field that much and they're bound to give up something.  I knew after the goalline fumble before the half that we were toast.

    Lotta season left though... I think we'll see some more back and forth on those standings before this one's done.

    Onto the Stillers and Indy.  Hope Brady gets his mojo back before then.

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    Hopefully.... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:04:58 PM EST
    you got the over-achieving outta the Browns system, we got 'em next week.

    I see the division boiling down to our rematch on your turf...hope Rex can instill some discipline by then cuz the penalties and sloppy play are gonna kill us against better teams...was nice to see Sanchez come alive in crunchtime though.

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    agreed (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:29:08 PM EST
    but I also think either way, both teams are making the playoffs.

    I don't see the Brady Bunch losing to the Jets at home.  I dunno if you noticed, but he's got quite the winning streak going.

    It's fun watching Brady in the second half of his career.  Now he's breaking his own records ;)

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    Nothing fun... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:47:22 PM EST
    about watching, as Anne so eloquently put it, the new Justin Bieber hair-do:)

    Foxboro late in the year, in the elements, with our ground game...I like our chances, streaks are made to be broken.

    I don't know about both of us making the playoffs either...the AFC is stacked, lotta competition for the 2 wild cards.  Likely, but no lock.

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    Obama is going to be a one termer (none / 0) (#39)
    by vml68 on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:54:49 PM EST
    and Hillary is going to be the next POTUS according to a very bizarre source.

    pfft (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:03:46 PM EST
    "Beverly Hilton" sounds more like a porn star than a president.

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    LOL.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by vml68 on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:10:01 PM EST
    I wasn't expecting you to take the article seriously!

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    no (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:10:37 PM EST
    I get it.

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    Well (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:06:31 PM EST
    that could be half right. Obama might be a one-termer but I'm pretty sure Hillary isn't running for anything in '12.

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    Speaking of which... (none / 0) (#87)
    by NJDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:17:26 PM EST
    just saw that there's a National Geographic Special on the State Dept/HRC tonight

    And a Happy Birthday to all you TL Scorpios :)

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    Dana Milbank had (none / 0) (#136)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:23:01 PM EST
    a piece yesterday in WashPo entitled:
    "Would Democrats be Better off with Hillary?"

    You can read the piece at realclearpolitics -- scroll down until you find articles from Sunday.

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    well .. if Connecticut has a 3-strike law, (none / 0) (#49)
    by nyrias on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:04:03 PM EST
    may be these victims don't have to die :( The youngest victim is only 11 :(

    At least the rabid dog who did this is going to be put down.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/08/connecticut.home.invasion.penalty/index.html?hpt=T1

    Guillermo Del Toro (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:10:10 PM EST
    is going to be here tomorrow to launch the new project.  

    maybe I have been out of LA to long but I am sort of looking forward to meeting him.  there are not many film makers I would rather meet or work with.

    Go Giants! (none / 0) (#59)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:22:12 PM EST


    Ya mean... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:32:15 PM EST
    that exhibition against that CFL team with Charlie Whitehurst at QB...that counted? :)

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    Hey, they all count. Even come-from-behind (none / 0) (#70)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:45:04 PM EST
    over-time wins against the lowly Lions!

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    Walked right into that one... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:48:23 PM EST
    well played sir!

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    Perhaps... (none / 0) (#99)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:52:25 PM EST
    the football gods will arrange an all NY/NJ Super Bowl down at Jerry Jones' palace in Big D...how cool would that be, if just for the look on Jerry's face!

    Yeah, I'm enjoying the Cowboys trainwreck of a season.

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    How great would that be. (none / 0) (#112)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:48:50 PM EST
    fingers x'd!

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    didya see? (none / 0) (#113)
    by nycstray on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:49:02 PM EST
    they fired Wade this AM . . . .

    hey, there's some '9er fans on this coast that join in on the glee of the Cowboys going down . . . just sayin'  ;) the only time i really cheered for the Giants is when they played the 'boys.

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    I didn't... (none / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:10:37 PM EST
    its about time...any fool who benches Doug Flutie for Rob Johnson in a playoff game raises serious questions.  jondee will tell ya all about it:)

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    Jelly Jones almost had (none / 0) (#121)
    by brodie on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:26:38 PM EST
    to finally act.  Two straight games by les Garçons where it was painfully apparent even to the most blind and naive that lots of players with the star on their helmet were just laying down on the field.

    Yes, this Niner fan is cheering today over the big downfall in Big D, and especially since learning last night that they are apparently Shrub's favorite NFL team.  By my count, that makes two TX teams of Junior's that have gone down to defeat in the past month as he begins his (cough, chortle) book tour.

    Feel bad for Wade Phillips though.  Seems like a decent fellow who is probably better suited to be either an ass't coach or head coach for a team less in the glaring spotlight.  

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    I have a friend really getting on my (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:29:41 PM EST
    nerves right now.  She is one of those friends who gets you to go and do all sorts of things, and it used to be fun until somehow she came to own me I guess.  I said that I could not go to one event, because I couldn't and it has set off a whole series of slams on having children and grandchildren and every other little thing you can imagine.  She has none of those things relying on her and I have never said a word about that.  They did want to have children at one time but were unable. Everytime I get an email from her anymore I want to tear it up, but that would damage the computer.  What do you guys do when you have a relationship grow into something like this?  I let a month go by before I had anymore contact, she didn't contact me either though during that.  Recently she did though and I thought perhaps we could be on different footing.  She invited me to an event but I can't do it with Thanksgiving coming up.  I have family stuff to prepare for.  So I get a crappy email back AGAIN!

    I suspect (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:43:03 PM EST
    I suspect she's a needy and lonely person and has learned that sometimes this manipulation works.  I feel sorry for her.

    That said, I would write back to her and say that you have to put your family first and that this behavior is unfair.  I would also tell her that if she can't understand that, then you probably can't be friends.

    I think that'll probably be enough that she'll walk away.  You don't deserve the crappy emails.  Some people just need to be cut loose.

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    MT, have a talk with her (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:43:51 PM EST
    not email.  Explain firmly and in words of one syllable that you love doing stuff but you have other claims on your time so can't as often as you'd like to.

    Tell her, don't ask, that you need her to respect it when you say you aren't free to go out and play.  Then stick to it and do not ever let her argue you out of an initial "no."

    Also, be really, really sure not to say "maybe" because she may hear that as "yes" and then when you later decide no, she will feel really manipulated.

    One other thing to try is to suggest the two of you just limit it to a "girls night out" or whatever once a month.

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    She is one of these people (5.00 / 0) (#119)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:14:45 PM EST
    who maybe does mean yes to.  And I did tell her I would check my calendar, and I did and I can't get it to healthfully all fit in for me.  She is a very strong person, very successful in getting things started.  Because of stressors though, I think she feels like she needs me present a lot more than my life will healthfully allow.  So now, it looks like she will get me to comply by using ridicule.  Which works NOT with me, I love my kids and my grandkids and they add to my life...they don't steal my precious life away from me :)....Much :)

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#138)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:44:26 PM EST
    Sounds like an incredibly needy person, and sadly, those folks are often also control freaks.

    So stay firm and don't let her manipulate you, right?  I'm guessing if you reduce your outings with her, she'll find somebody else to glom onto.

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    I came a bit late to your question, MT (none / 0) (#142)
    by christinep on Tue Nov 09, 2010 at 01:28:07 PM EST
    What struck me though is that you sound as if you are looking at the style of the response and not at the essence of this friendship. The way you describe how your time is limited now and how she may be more needy of your time is one thing; but, isn't the nature of the friendship at the heart of it. You sound quite irritated with her demands. Is this just a phase...or have you grown in a different direction. Do you just need more time for family now? Or are you becoming uncomfortable around her? And--bottom line: Do you want this friendship to continue? If so, what steps can you take now and/or expect to take later to nurture this friendship? And, what can your friend do now? Or, is this a friendship that you have outlived?
    I definitely second gyrfalcon's suggestion to avoid the email route and have an in-person heart-to-heart if you decide that this is a frienship worth keeping.

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    If this is a sudden change in behavior, (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:23:59 PM EST
    perhaps something is wrong. Why don't you ask her if she is okay, tell her you are concerned about this sudden change in your friendship and you'd really rather fix it than end it.

    Maybe she's afraid to come right out and ask for what she needs.


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    I think there are some extra stressors (none / 0) (#117)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:05 PM EST
    she is very achievement oriented, but she lives paycheck to paycheck in a grisly sort of way IMO.  For me, when I spent money or time I usually weigh it out on a cost/benefit scale.  She just sort of blows through life about 100 miles per hour sometimes and I think things are financially stressed but she hasn't said so.  So when she sets things up she needs a lot of bang for her buck and if I'm not coming or can't participate she doesn't spring back.  I think she's running on empty, but she is a dominant personality too.  You know how that goes with us, sometimes we just won't back off until driving in the ditch isn't an option anymore either :)

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    I guess it depends on whether you (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by Anne on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:29:14 PM EST
    want to save the friendship; if so, maybe it would help if you were able to carve out some time and reach out to ask her to do something together.  Tell her, "look - I so rarely have any free time, but when I do, I would love for us to get together, even if it's just for a coffee, but it's so hard for me to plan that it would have to be spur of the moment - would that work for you?"  Of course, if she's really passive-aggressive, she will probably turn you down, at which point, you will have your answer and can move on without guilt.

    Is she someone who would want to share some of your family time - be included in a trip to the movies or dinner out?  Or is this an all-or-nothing thing where it all has to be on her terms?  

    I had to end a toxic friendship with someone because all that seemed to matter to her was "winning" at everything - everything was a competition: if I mentioned that one of the kids was sick, instead of letting it be about me and my kid, she would immediately have to top me - her kid was much sicker.  If it was good news, she had better news.  It was a shame because she was a very fun person, but I just couldn't play that game - that wasn't friendship to me, that was me being around to always make her feel better by comparison.

    If you're not on the same page anymore, maybe it's time to tuen that page!

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    I had one like this, too, Anne (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:51:08 PM EST
    I put up with it for many years because I enjoyed this friend's company otherwise very much.  But when my life became incredibly restricted and stressed when I had to move in with my mother and take care of her in her last years, the flaws in the relationship were something I couldn't just gloss over and put up with the way I could when I was on an even keel.

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    She is very strong but I think (none / 0) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:43:39 PM EST
    perhaps we have come to the point that strong has become strong arm.  I admire her for many things too.  She fit into our life before because she and her spouse are both ex-military too.  There is a certain mindset and disruption of life that goes with that, and it is nice when people around you sort of know what you are doing.  She is so successful and so strong, to give you an idea of her capabilities....she served in Mogadishu in 1993 and was part of the military logistics that supported that command and she was there when we had our butts handed to us and so many people died.  She is a very competent person on one hand, but I think I'm going to have to let her go and see if she can obtain some balance.  She does try to turn friendship into a competitive sport.  Having Joshua in our lives though, it has changed my perceptions of the importance of being competitive or being someone who is fighting for the same cookie.

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    But, you're no longer (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:30:37 PM EST
    in a war zone, and you can't be commanded.  I like Anne's suggestion of proposing a date when you can do something with her, so she can't feel rejected when you turn her down for something else that turns out to be a scheduling conflict. Given all the medical issues you have with your son, your husband away on duty for extended periods, etc., it's amazing you have any time at all for friends! It's making me dizzy to think what your schedule must be like.  You must be a multi-tasker to the third power.

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    I just (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:52:31 PM EST
    had to drop a friend like that. It just got to be too much. I mean if your friends can't accept you for who you are then you don't need them. If she can't understand that sometimes you have other priorities then is she really that good of a friend anyway?

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    Nope, not a good friend (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:58:59 PM EST
    but I remember having talks with her about what good friends were.  I thought we were on the same page :)  And now we aren't :)

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    Well (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:00:59 PM EST
    some people know how to be a friend and some people don't I guess is the bottom line.

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    My brother in tin-foil... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 02:39:12 PM EST
    Alex Jones is all over the TSA and their shenanigans...glad you're out there doing your thing Mr. Jones, we need to wake up to threat that is the TSA. Maybe the airport is the proving ground for tyrannical security measures coming to your hometown in the future...who knows. I put nothing past the authoritarians.  

    Leave it to the Brits... (none / 0) (#90)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:23:40 PM EST
    to trump our stupidity, at least after you submit to radiation exposure and/or sexual assault at JFK a guest is still allowed to visit the Statue of Liberty...get through the rig-a-ma-roll at Heathrow and you're not allowed to take a tour of Big Ben...citizens only.

    Thanks again Brits for making me feel better!

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    I read that article the other day and thought (none / 0) (#125)
    by shoephone on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:38:17 PM EST
    "I'm so relieved I'm not flying during the holidays this year." Airport security has become such a joke. The fourth ammendment simply does not exist anymore.

    And I still want to give an award to that guy who rode the baggage carrousel at the Altanta airport.

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    I like the end of DST (none / 0) (#98)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:51:29 PM EST
    because, at least for a while, I can get up at the same time and leave work an hour earlier.

    I like it in the mornings (none / 0) (#104)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:13:53 PM EST
    Can wake up the same time or earlier and it is really daylight, and I'm not walking the dogs in the dark. Hate it in the evenings though - dog park closes at 6 - too early for me to get there after work. So then I am walking dogs in the dark.

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    And I have just been informed that (none / 0) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:24:54 PM EST
    Call of Duty Black Ops is being released tomorrow.  It is pre-ordered, but if he gets straight A's I cough up and pay the whole price.  He made straight A's this nine weeks.  Capt Howdy's work project Red Faction Armageddon is due to be released March 2011 so far.  Unless there is an update on that date.

    thats the date (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 09, 2010 at 07:41:14 AM EST
    as far as I know.  they are wrapping it up.  just doing polish for a while now.  I have been off for a while so I have not been keeping up with the day to day.  but if I learn of a change I will pass it on.
    Guillermo is here today to get everyone excited about the next thing so Im sure they want to get it out the door as soon a possible.

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    local tv host just cut off (literally) (none / 0) (#123)
    by nycstray on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:31:23 PM EST
    shirley phelps-roper because he couldn't take her "crap" anymore. apparently they've come to town to protest at a HS in the community that got hit with the gas explosion. G*d's wrath and all that . . .

    must say, very odd to watch this woman in her insanity on my TV . . . .

    Regulatory capture question for BTD or anyone (none / 0) (#124)
    by catchy on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:34:08 PM EST
    The heart of BTD's criticism of HCR is that it's a regulatory framework, therefore a likely target for capture, so the public option should've been the focus of reform instead.

    This assumes capture wouldn't significantly affect a public insurance program, but the recent record of Medicare has me questioning the assumption. In particular:

    "... Medicare's price regulation systems are now a leading example of "regulatory capture", with budget projections based on complete acceptance of the cost base and an assumption that perpetual "cost + " increases will be the rule, until the point of government bankruptcy"

    http://www.urban.org/toolkit/conference-papers/hp-roundtable/etheredge.cfm

    Medicare Part D is a similar story.

    THe pt. is, if capture or similar phenomena are happening with public insurance already, regulatory capture isn't a reason to criticize the public option-less health care bill.

    Thoughts?