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World Cup Grudge Match: Argentina-Germany

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Posted on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 08:41:53 AM EST
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The World Cup went WWE this week when Argentina, particularly its insane coach Maradona, and Germany (who knew the Germans liked to talk trash?) spent the past few days exchanging insults.

The cards will be out early for this must see game. I like Argentina.

Spain plays Paraguay in the afternoon.

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    World Cup Grudge Match: Argentina-Germany | 37 comments (37 topical)

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    Don't Cry for Me, Argentinnnnnnaaaaaaaaahhhh ... (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 10:48:31 AM EST
    .... we stuck forks in
    When BTD pick'djaaaaahhh
    Don't let the door hit
    About where you sit
    Where dear God split'djaaaahhh

    A four-goal diff'rence
    Your non-existence ...

    (Either outcome, I was prepared to console or regale sidelined Michael Ballack, a longtime short-listed future Mr. Ellie.)

    Fun at my expense (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 05:59:39 PM EST
    is frowned upon.

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    Yep, Btd picking a winner (none / 0) (#22)
    by brodie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 03:45:58 PM EST
    in this WC is a surefire way to know which team to safely bet against.

    Maybe even more amazing is the record so far (is it 5 for 5?) of Paul the Psychic Octopus in that tank someplace in Germany.  

    Apparently a few days ago it picked Deutschland über Argentina.

    And you also can't object that it's just being a homer for the Homeland:  a few weeks back, it accurately selected Serbia to beat Germany in the group round.

    It should also be noted at this stage that My Main Man, Kobe Bryant, picked Germany to go all the way prior to the tournament.  

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    I like the German team b/c they can turn on a dime (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:12:34 PM EST
    ... despite their relative inexperience. Nice cohesion in maintaining formation; no small feat shutting down Lionel Messi.

    Great young legs out there, too, that stay fresh the whole match so it's hard to wear the team down with the tactic of futile ball-chasing.

    At the end of the match, the Argies were wheezing and winded but the Germans weren't even breathing hard.

    The semi with Spain is the "real" final to me, but Orange is the best team never to have won a Cup.

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    Frankly, the only (none / 0) (#27)
    by brodie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:25:24 PM EST
    team I think can stay with Germany, for a while anyway, might be the Nederland squad.  So, I've got that as your championship matchup, and you know who I'll be rooting for.

    Though for various reasons I might have preferred a final game that offered at least one of the SA or Africa teams.  

    Figures, in this crazy time of economic Depression and impending 12/21/12 Doom, that for the first ever World Cup in Africa, we'd get two whiteish NEuro teams playing for it all ...

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    LMAO over the Psychic Octopus btw n/t (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:17:01 PM EST


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    You ask, BTD: "who knew (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by scribe on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:11:45 AM EST
     the Germans liked to talk trash?"

    You, because you don't understand/speak German.  They're some of the nastiest trash-talkers out there (though "yo mama" hasn't hit their language, yet, to my knowledge).  Last week, their lede for beating England was "Revenge for Wembley" - mild, you might think, but that was the headline in a respectable newspaper....

    That, and Maradona's been a thorn in their side for literally decades.  They're really enjoying this.

    Real Hand of God comes out, stooge-slaps Maradona (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 12:16:30 PM EST
    On the German trash-talk, they have a linguistic advantage by being able to wear their taunts on their jerseys. Take Schweinsteiger:

    As Bayern Munich's general manager, Uli Hoeness, once announced to a room full of journalists, "I am not here to talk about football, I am here to talk about sausages."

    The cause for this gastronomic diversion is a court case involving one of Hoeness's employees at the Olympic Stadium, the German midfield ace Bastian Schweinsteiger. Bastian's surname means "pig climber". How the 22-year-old's ancestors came by this moniker I am not sure. Perhaps scaling pigs is a job in Germany. Maybe it was once a popular hobby. Or perhaps it was just an isolated incident culminating in the punch line, "But you clamber on one pig . . . "

    Whatever, Bastian is not the first Bayern player with an unusual name. [... more ...]

    You just know Schweinsteiger's loving his sweet goal after this bit of theater:

    ... Maradona stared into a Fox Sports camera on Thursday and with a mock German accent asked: "What's the matter Schweinsteiger? Are you nerrrvoushhh?"

    (::lol:: what a goof) At least it's a war of words and not a brawl.

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 12:40:42 PM EST
    More likely steiger derives from overseer, chaser. Someone who is a pig farmer or herder, or one who catches pigs that got away. It could also mean that his family hunted wild boar.

    Steiger today could mean womanizer, or one who chases women.

    The meaning you found is more likely about making fun than figuring out what occupation his namesakes held.

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    What's this an editorial meeting forLingua Franca? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 01:12:47 PM EST
    Hey, whatever put Maradona off his game this week was A-OK with me. I just loved that Argie meltdown; one for the ages.

    (I don't speak German but I love fake Boxcar German.)

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    OK (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 01:20:07 PM EST
    I know nothing about soccer, but a little about German. Also, I guess that part of sports is to make fun of players on the enemy team.

    I read the article, and the basis for all the digs, was a stretch, imo.

    But if it is music to fans ears, because they share the POV, I am sure that huge leeway is granted.

    Kind of like 3rd grade, the insults seem weak to adults, but potent to 3rd graders. Non fans may be the adults in this story.

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    Speaking as a Sausage Expert, I can only say (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 02:57:30 PM EST
    ... that you are way off in speaking of third-grade level insults, because the art to delivering effictive trash-talk is one of nuanced ...  

    OH MY EFFIN GEEE ... Casillas just made an awesome save on a penalty kick, followed by a Spanish PK and Paraguayan save and the match just busted wide open ...

    SUCK IT PARAGUAY! You're goin' dowwwn!

    Seriously, you've never played nor watched sports?

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    Never (none / 0) (#20)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 03:26:23 PM EST
    Although I did have to do sports in HS, swimming, cross country (running)...  

    And I did not mean to say that the insults you linked to are on a 3rd grade level, but that just as it would take a 3rd grader to appreciate 3rd grade insults, as most adults would find the most potent 3rd grade insult silly, it would take a sports fan to appreciate sports insults.

    I am not a sports fan. There are many other things in my life, that involve memorizing large bodies of information to keep me busy.  Not to mention sports has never piqued my interest. The experience of being around people screaming at the teevee while people are slamming into one another is not pleasant for me.

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    Well (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 03:30:50 PM EST
    Come to think about it, I have done Tai Chi for a long time, and have enjoyed the boxing (push hands) and sword fighting aspects.

    So I guess I do sports, although I never really considered tai chi a sport, more like a philosophy and spirituality of sorts, that is learned through one's body.

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    From a purely personal perspective, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:41:25 AM EST
    this is terrible:  can't get KUSC FM opera program streaming.  

    Oh, joy. Fixed. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 12:49:39 PM EST


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    Oc - sometime try the stream (none / 0) (#24)
    by scribe on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:13:53 PM EST
    from this site (particularly after, say 3 ET, when they get into their evening music).  The button marked "Radio horen" to the left of the images is the one toclick.  Works best through Real (for me, anyway).  Here's another one, which might be more to your operatic taste.  Just recognize they use WMP and, more importantly, put a 4 hour top limit on running the stream before you have to reload. The other link, you canrun until the cows come home and then some.

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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:48:36 PM EST


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    My pleasure. (none / 0) (#30)
    by scribe on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:56:34 PM EST
    I've been listening to the MDR going on 7 years now, and the other almost as long.  

    You'll love the autobahn traffic reports, too.

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    Not to mention my college German (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:17:43 PM EST
    is pretty rusty.

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    Just for fun before I go to bed (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 12:21:17 AM EST
    the Daily Show has been doing a lot of World Cup trash talking, but this was the funniest clip to  me thusfar.

    What happened to Sports Left? nt/ (none / 0) (#1)
    by Coral on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:01:25 AM EST


    Catching up on the comic hilights of (none / 0) (#2)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:28:26 AM EST
    the Kagan hearings since I didn't get to watch any of it this week.

    I have no idea if she told us any more about her judicial philosophy than any other nominee in the last 25 years has.  But oral arguments should certainly be more fun with her on the bench.

    Trying very hard to not let (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 10:36:04 AM EST
    my distaste for Maradona distort my soccer vision, after all he isn't on the field actually sweating here.  But Germany is making it way too easy for me.  I really thought that Argentina was going to be tougher than this in this game.

    Jeralyn would be proud of me though (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 10:58:48 AM EST
    I was reading what I could find on search and seizure trying to understand how the police shake down the kids cars around here the way they do.  And now I know that according to a 1992 survey, prosecutors, defense attorneys and judges in Chicago said they thought that, on average, perjury by police occurs 20% of the time in which defendants claim evidence was illegally seized.

    I was shocked, I'm so naive about the police and what a bunch of liars they are :)  I repeated this to my husband and my husband said that he can't believe that I didn't know this was how it was and how it goes.

    MT, come back. It's never too late! (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:08:36 AM EST


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    Come Back? (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:18:56 AM EST
    Not sure what you are saying, but if you are hoping that Militarytracy regains her naiveté, in order to side with you and the tough on crime prosecutor and police lobby, that is sad.

    Hoping that someone stays duped, is immoral, imo.

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    <snk.> (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:21:57 AM EST


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    Nice (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:43:49 AM EST
    To be able to poke fun at oneself and not take oneself so seriously, is always admirable, imo.

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    The darkside always calls :) (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 06:08:40 PM EST


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    Your formal introduction... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:37:35 AM EST
    to legal theft...I must warn you, that rabbit hole runs deep sister, you might not want to know:)

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    4 goals in back to back (none / 0) (#18)
    by denise k on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 02:05:50 PM EST
    World Cup games.  Wow!  What is going on?  Are they that good?  The defenses that bad?  They are making their opponents look like grade schoolers.  

    They're that good. (none / 0) (#25)
    by scribe on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:15:24 PM EST
    Did you see how unselfish the play around the Argie goal was?  Not just once, but multiple times.

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    Certainly England was that bad (none / 0) (#28)
    by smott on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 04:37:37 PM EST
    ....2nd half anyway.

    Did not think they'd blow up Argentina though...

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    Something that England and the Azzurri both did .. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ellie on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 06:22:58 PM EST
    ... during their awful play was beyond a rookie mistake and seriously bad gamesmanship.

    You never ever ever turn your back on -- and walk away from -- a live ball. It's one of the first things you learn at baby level in any sport yet these world class athletes were doing it repeatedly.

    Even if a comeback win is seemingly impossible during the particular match, in Group Play where advancement could come down to Goals For/Against, you don't stop trying to score. I could hardly believe my eyes.

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    Sheesh, every spammer should know that (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 07:20:11 PM EST
    those of us who despise Maradona did so because we have 20/20 vision :)

    I really would love to thank (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jen M on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 10:12:56 PM EST
    Whoever it was that drugged the Argentines gatorade.

    Seriously, thank you!

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