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The power of an endorsement - via Steve Benen, General Wes Clark endorses Alexi Giannoulas in the Illinois Senate race and revives an issue regarding Republican Mark Kirk's honesty:

During an endorsement of Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Alexi Giannoulias on Monday, retired four-star Gen. Wesley Clark criticized Giannoulias' opponent Mark Kirk's exagerations about his military career.

"[The exagerations] are a factor in this race," Clark said[. . . ] Earlier this summer, Kirk was embarrassed by revelations that he embellished his military record.

Endorsements give a candidate a chance to frame a story - bringing in Clark not only got Clarkophiles like me to notice, it also gave Alexi a chance to hit Kirk again on his lying about his military record, through Clark's appearance and endorsement.

This is an Open Thread.

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    One of the best columns (5.00 / 0) (#5)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 12:18:13 PM EST
    I've seen in a long time was yesterday's column by Frank Rich in the NYTimes. It is a money & politics bazooka! Most significantly, it does a quick--but eye-opening--trace of the no longer invisible Koch Bros and their tentacles to the Tea Party (and their father's earlier role in the 1960s.) Picture this: Almost $200M to very conservative causes...and that is only the reported amount. It is enough to make the Mellon-Scaife combo sit up & take notice. Great article.

    Jane Mayer on the Koch Brothers (none / 0) (#10)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:30:47 PM EST
    Mayer's recent story in The New Yorkerprovides an in-depth look at the Koch Brothers and the funding of the insane radical right. If you are really interested in this, Mayer is the one to read.

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    Yep. She put the spotlight on them (none / 0) (#12)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:37:13 PM EST
    and the piece is so good that it makes me wonder why Rich, et al., didn't do so sooner.

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    I am happy about the outing of the (none / 0) (#17)
    by hairspray on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:50:04 PM EST
    Koch clan.  They have flown under the radar for too long.  If these people and their obscene wealth are illuminated and connected to the causes they espouse some Americans might wake up to how badly they are being manipulated. These stealth libertarian billionaires like to hide behind the curtain while the populace grins over philanthrapists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others that show a human and compassionate use of their wealth.  Ted Turner has thrown down the gauntlet to his billionaire brothers to give away their wealth, but it is going slowly with people like the Koch family.

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    She was on Fresh Air one day last week (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:40:12 PM EST
    talking about that story. I knew nothing about them prior to that. They have done a great job of staying under the radar. I hope that is over and we can at least not buy their products:
    Georgia-Pacific's familiar consumer brands in North America include Quilted Northern®, Angel Soft®, Brawny®, Sparkle® , Soft 'n Gentle®, Mardi Gras®, Vanity Fair®, and the Dixie® brand of tabletop products. The company's leading European brands include Lotus®, Colhogar®, Delica®, Tenderly® and the Demak'Up® brand of facial cleansing products.

    Too bad - I like the quilted Northern!

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    oops - forgot the Koch Industries (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:41:44 PM EST
    Go online and find a green products (none / 0) (#20)
    by hairspray on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:51:52 PM EST
    outlet.  They will sell TP that is recycled in bulk.

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    Thank goodness (none / 0) (#23)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:58:11 PM EST
    I don't buy any of these products.    ;-)

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    Do y'all have a link? (none / 0) (#30)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:35:01 PM EST
    I just realized I typed the word y'all (none / 0) (#31)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:35:49 PM EST
    You might be a redneck if.....

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    I ain't got a red neck, (none / 0) (#32)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:39:34 PM EST
    I works indoors!

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    No offense Jeff, I live in (none / 0) (#34)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:58:36 PM EST
    Northwest Florida, or lower Alabama as some people say.

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    That's close to East LA (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 03:12:12 PM EST
    East LA is a great place (none / 0) (#57)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:46:39 PM EST
    Not sure how it is connected to the South.....

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    LA=Lower Alabama (none / 0) (#66)
    by republicratitarian on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:58:11 AM EST
    Those of us in the panhandle of Florida sometimes refer to this region as LA. Southern humor, sort of.
    :)

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    thought it was somewhere around there. (none / 0) (#41)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 04:00:12 PM EST
     but couldn't remember precisely. Just joshing with you.

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    Think you have a bad boss? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:30:34 PM EST
    Think again -- unless yours also is late with the paychecks but doesn't complaints about it.  I mean, really doesn't want complaints about it.

    I needed that CC... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 04:40:51 PM EST
    cuz I was hatin' on one of my bosses today something awful...leaves me short-staffed and alone covering 3 people's jobs and busts balls over some nonsense.  Finally I had enough and said..."Do you really want me tied up in some 6 month debit issue with every distributor and their mother looking to buy pumps 300 at a clip with Hurricane Earle brewing?"  That shut him up and reminded him of his Hurricane Earle payday next month:)

    Things always could be worse, paycheck on time...we're all unarmed (afaik), and that's a very good thing.


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    Strange twist to Mehlman's (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:49:19 PM EST
    same-sex marriage fund raiser.

    Same-Sex Marriage Becoming Conservative Cause

    While it would be great if these Republicans had gone on record during the whole time their party has been demonizing people because of their sexuality, you have to hope that this is true:

    "I think there is a growing mass of people in Republican politics who are fundamentally sick and tired about being lectured to about morality and how to live your life by a bunch of people who have been married three or four times and are more likely to be seen outside a brothel on a Thursday night than being at home with their kids...


    Call me a cynic (none / 0) (#26)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:09:00 PM EST
    Usually, I try not to be cynical. The timing of Mehlman's seeing-the-light (and, apparently, without too much regret for the real harm for which he was directly responsible) is suspect. Why? Because now the Repugs may position themselves to play it both ways: There is the same old discriminate against any minority group, but there is also the wink-wink nod-nod suggestion that these guys are really changing, really open. And, if "Republican gays" were wanting to move away from the party at long last and if the change in demographic opinion just happened to be part of that equation.... Oh, and the election is only 2 months away.... Excuse my cynicism.

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    Why, Christine, it's not like you to (none / 0) (#40)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 03:51:41 PM EST
    be cynical - you're usually the sunshine trying to break through the rain so we can all see the rainbow... :-)

    Seriously, though, I work with someone who knows Ken and knows his family, and I don't believe, from what my co-worker has told me, that the timing of the announcement has any overt political motives.  While those around him, and who know him best, may have suspected or made assumptions about his orientation, those same people had enough respect for whatever internal struggle was going on to let him come to accept who he is on his timetable, and not that of the Republican party.

    The real test, I think, will be to see how Mehlman reacts when and if the party tries to use him for their own political advantage; I think Mehlman is ideologically enough of a Republican that he won't leave the party, but we'll see whether he decides he wants to help a party that continues to treat the gay community as second-class citizens

    Yes, it seems suspect and hypocritical, but then, I've never struggled to know and accept myself in terms that the rest of the world still is not completely comfortable with - at best - and demonizes and rejects, at worst.  We can judge his actions, I think, but only he knows his own motives, and at this stage, even he may not fully understand whether or if those had anything to do with politics.


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    Yoiks! (none / 0) (#51)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:18:58 PM EST
    Thanks Anne. See, one of the few times I go for the cynical thread, and I get blown out of the water by a very good response :)  
    Y'know, what was really driving me about Mehlman is that I never liked him because he seemed to have a pinch-faced attitude. Thats my confession. But, I accept your recounting of the mutual friends' perception. What a stressful life he must have had (and it may have showed.) In any event, my own attitude towards him has opened a bit with your comments.

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    The question is: (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:11:20 PM EST
    can they carry a national election without continuing to pander to, as a continued vital part of their coalition, those who "lecture about morality" and who use religious arguments to bolster the strategic aims of neocons?  

    I doubt it. And, deep down, I think people like Schmidt know it too.


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    The Republicans need (none / 0) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:22:08 PM EST
    those who "lecture about morality" now, I agree. But the tide is turning big time with upcoming generations and demonizing people based on their sexuality soon won't fly because they will be attacking friends and family members. I think people like Schmidt know it too.
     

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    I think they've been (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:32:25 PM EST
    attacking friends and family members for years. And forcing the Mehlmans, Larry Craigs, Ted Haggards et al into the closet. And lets not forget how important the christian right has been to the Israeli right..

    The Southern Strategy created a monster that wont go away any time soon, imo. It was like empowering the Taliban to defeat the SU.

    Of course, everything changes, but this particular transformation under discussion has a long way to go.

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    In the past, many people were unaware (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 03:07:57 PM EST
    that their friends and family members were being attacked because of closeted members. It is harder to hate people you know and like or love than it is someone you believed you were never were associated with.

    My grown children and grandson (20) seem to think that this is an issue that is quickly losing its appeal and many of the polls seems to agree. I will continue to hope that they are right.

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    Hope.. (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 04:05:00 PM EST
    that thing with wings..as Emily Dickinson said. :)

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    they are right (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:13:00 PM EST
    and the fact that republicans are saying this:

    "I think there is a growing mass of people in Republican politics who are fundamentally sick and tired about being lectured to about morality"

    proves it.  they know it has become a losing issue.
    THAT is why they have miraculously seen the light.

    I mean really think about this:

    "I think there is a growing mass of people in Republican politics who are fundamentally sick and tired about being lectured to about morality"

    republicans who are sick and tired of being lectured about morality.
    really?  why the hell are they still republicans?


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    A lot of them seem to forget (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:19:02 PM EST
    about how sick they are of being lectured when the time for the next Presidential election rolls around. Social liberals that they are..

    The big question is, can they go anywhere nationally without the religious right in the fold?

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    honestly (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:38:08 PM EST
    I think even the dumbsh!t right doesnt want to talk about it for the same reason.  they have come to understand that they have lost and its time to move on.

    I dont think it has a thing to do with any moral revelation (excuse the expression).  simply electoral realities.


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    And the political rich get richer (none / 0) (#1)
    by BTAL on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 11:54:59 AM EST
    Wealthy lawmakers increased their riches as economy sputtered in '09

    The wealthiest members of Congress grew richer in 2009 even as the economy struggled to recover from a deep recession.

    The 50 wealthiest lawmakers were worth almost $1.4 billion in 2009, about $85.1 million more than 12 months earlier, according to The Hill's annual review of lawmakers' financial disclosure forms.

    Almost evenly spread:

    Twenty-seven Democrats along with 23 Republicans make up the 50 richest in Congress; 30 House members and 20 senators are on the list.


    Those stats will go over like a (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 12:03:18 PM EST
    lead balloon when a large portion of our citizens are worried about just making ends meet.

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    Talking about class warfare (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 12:53:29 PM EST
    isn't "class warfare".

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    You're right (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:55:21 PM EST
    It's not.  And we won't have any kind of "class warfare" in this country, unless a whole lot of people wake up to their realities and stop listening to the Tea Party types and Glenn Beck.  The wealthy "movers and shakers" have managed to convince far too many Americans to keep voting against their own self-interests.  I've never understood this.  Why should the average working American think it's a great idea to limit taxation of the rich, spend money to finance wars all over the place, and reduce services for many Americans?  The only thing I can figure out is that they all feel that they don't want to pay for anything that they think might help someone else besides them, or people like them.  It's either that or they all think they're going to win millions in the lottery, and don't want to pay any taxes on it.  Then throw "God" and patriotism in there, and it all sounds reasonable to them.

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    I 'met the enemy'--and it was my (none / 0) (#43)
    by Molly Pitcher on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 04:21:31 PM EST
    mother-in-law.  She operated on a pretty simple principle: 'those rich society folks are my kind of people.  Just like me, really, so their opinions are my opinions.'  She was sick and starving when I got her Medicaid and food stamps and SSI.  By then, she was past objecting when I was named her 'representative.

    (She had wanted to 'keep her independence', you see, even if it meant we shelled out the money--when it was scarce for us too--and keeping her in a minimally safe condition entailed several trips a day to care for her.)

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    (Sigh) (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:43:47 PM EST
    I'm sorry, MP.  I've known a few too many people like this.  You just want to shake them and say, "Wake up!  Those guys that you are listening to are not on your side!"  Bless you for your efforts in taking care of her.

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    Do yourself a favor (none / 0) (#61)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 07:06:21 PM EST
    And read Thomas Frank's "what's the Matter With Kansas?"
    It's a fascinating, and easy, read and you'll never ask why "victims" identify with their oppressors ever again.

    FWIW, They don't pay Limbaugh $500,000,000 for his honey-tone voice.


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    As if my senior Senator is in debt! (none / 0) (#11)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:35:55 PM EST
    Note that he is so rich, he is off the charts:

    The methodology used to find the Top 50 wealthiest in Congress can miss some of the richest lawmakers.  Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) is certainly one of the wealthiest lawmakers on Capitol Hill. As owner of the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks, Kohl has a $254 million asset on his hands, according to Forbes magazine.  But under The Hill's methodology, his team ownership only counts for $50 million, the highest range reported on the congressional financial disclosure form. Because of high liabilities on his 2009 form, Kohl actually is listed as being more than $4.6 million in debt on the 2009 form.

    Awwwww.  So he is feeling the pain in our state, as the economy worsens and worsens here?

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    Bwwwwaaaaahhhh. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:50:54 PM EST
    Maybe we ought to make that the new cheer for the Bucks.

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    See what I mean (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:06:42 PM EST
    about conservatives co-opting liberal causes rather than admit defeat when the writing is on the wall.

    See post #16 above....

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    Did you click the wrong reply link? (none / 0) (#33)
    by BTAL on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:53:57 PM EST
    Don't see how this relates to the 50 wealthiest members of congress.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:59:20 PM EST
    Open thread.

    This relates to Republicans co-opting gay marriage--as I wrote in response to you in another thread....

    You seemed quite dubious about what I was saying about conservatives losing the gay marriage fight and their beginning to co-opt the issue.  

    So this story popping up seemed to explain what I was talking about.

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    Disagree, that is just Schmit voicing his (none / 0) (#38)
    by BTAL on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 03:23:46 PM EST
    opinion.  Also, that is not a GOP organized or centric get together.

    From the linked article:

    To be sure, the Mehlman fundraiser is not entirely a Republican-driven affair. Some of the big names on the ticket are Democrats, including former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt and former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta.

    Nothing proven yet.

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    Just the beginning of the process (none / 0) (#39)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 03:28:47 PM EST
    This is how it starts....

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    BTD, I've been waiting for your post (none / 0) (#3)
    by steviez314 on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 12:05:42 PM EST
    regarding  a leader who, at best, was marginally successful, and is actually being rewarded with a 2nd term.

    I'm talking about Bob Bradley, of course.

    First I heard of it (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 12:20:26 PM EST
    In effing believable.

    I quit now as a fan of US soccer. That is inexcusable.

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    This is the first time I've seen (none / 0) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 12:17:17 PM EST
    a reference to Clark on the campaign trail. Has he campaigned for any other candidate? Seems like it is a good idea to get popular outsider Democratic people to go to bat for the candidates.  

    Some people wondered (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:21:20 PM EST
    why I was in Miami last week.

    It was a very inspiring conference.

    I thought that might be (none / 0) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:51:03 PM EST
    the case--a better guess than I gave when you were in Tuscany.  My clue was the Americablog report by Scott Blair (NYU Law, class of 2011) on the Obama/LGBT "accomplishments" panel. Based on Blair's accounting, It sounded like it was pretty balanced and interesting.

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    I was there (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:58:59 PM EST
    And yes, the panel was really quite good. The people who suggested that the Administration had a responsibility to defend DOMA were not well-recieved on that point; nor did they appear to enjoy making it.

    I don't think I met Scott, though.

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    FYI, a good friend is moving to (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 12:41:00 AM EST
    D.C. area to work for HHS re health care reform legislation (implementation, I gather).  She is a fairly new lawyer and very excited about the opportunity.

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    Ahh Wes Clark. I thought he (none / 0) (#21)
    by hairspray on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 01:55:12 PM EST
    would have made a better president than John Kerry, George Bush or even Barak Obama.  ^^

    Harry and "none of these candidates" (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 04:41:46 PM EST
    In Nevada, No One Is Someone to Watch

    And in other cases, the ballot option has played a spoiler role: the 1.2 percent of voters who selected None of These Candidates in the 1996 presidential race was larger than the margin separating Bill Clinton and Bob Dole. And in the 1998 Senate race, the 8,125 votes for None of These Candidates easily outdistanced the 395-vote margin between Harry Reid and John Ensign, allowing Mr. Reid to be re-elected.

    Mr. Reid may again be hoping to get an assist from the ballot option this year, which is unique among the 50 states. Indeed, there are those who think his entire campaign may be predicated upon it.



    If.... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:02:24 PM EST
    Monty Breswter were here, none of the above could take that puppy easy.

    "Who's buying the booze?"

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    I was thinking (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:08:13 PM EST
    more like the Monty Python strategy

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    Hey dog, (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:11:15 PM EST
    I've been only sporadically pay attention. How are the Jets shaping up this year? I see Revis is holding out. Is Leon Washington still around and recovered? And what kind of pick ups did they come up with in the off season?

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    Leon is in Seattle.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:29:07 PM EST
    Revis saw what happened to Leon...but I hear he looks good after that nasty injury...amazing how fast they come back these days, and what they come back from.

    Crazy hopefully not past their prime veteran pick-ups...Tomlinson, the formerly hated Jason Taylor, Mark Brunell...plus Santonio Holmes from the Steelers Week 5 (suspension), Antonio Cromartie from SD, my man Laveraneus Coles was back but just got cut, maybe to be resigned.

    1st Rd. Pick CB Kyle Wilson looks like he can play...but we need Revis...cut the check Woody!

    I saw you touting Spiller...you still got Edwards quartering?

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    Coles got cut? (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:44:07 PM EST
    They need to get Revis signed.

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    Save money scheme... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 06:43:46 PM EST
    if a vested veteran is on the Week 1 roster, they get paid full salary for the year...I hear he might get resigned in Week 2.

    Stuff like that is another reason I'm fully in the Revis camp...this editorial breaks it down well I think.

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    That article pretty well (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 07:26:13 PM EST
    nails it. We're not talking about some baseball pitcher here, drinking Mai Tais in a hammock in the bullpen and worrying about his pitch count getting too high every firth game..the average football career is still something like three years. And, Rex is a good coach, but he should really learn to keep his mouth shut. Extremely impolitic for him to be publicly chiming in about Revis and possibly alienating the best player on the team. I don't know what he's thinking. Sounds like he's playing head games, which could backfire on him, with a player with a lot of pride.

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    Thanks :) (none / 0) (#63)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 07:49:18 PM EST
    I've always liked Coles, so I hope to see some more of him (on my team!) :)

    Did Jets management miss the reaction last season, and especially at the end, of the fans? Including a certain Mayor renaming Manhattan "Revis Island"? Not to mention the dude's skill's on field . . . .  {head desk}

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    My favorite Jet (none / 0) (#59)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 06:26:52 PM EST
    it figures. Well, Seattle is a nice place, I hope he does well there. If he's fully recovered, he's still one of the most explosive players in football. Alright, now you guys get no sympathy at all. :)

    Those are some excellent pick ups. Taylor is probably still a much-above-average long third down guy..Cromartie's a good player, even though he was practically run out of San Diego for his non-tackle on Sean Green in that playoff game. I wonder how much the Jets busted his chops about that? Holmes is a very good receiver, imo..

    Yeah, Spiller has that great back 'thing', that instinct. You can just see it. He's gonna be really good if he doesn't get wracked up ..Edwards is still the guy apparently. Good arm, smart, but possibly shell shocked from getting drilled so many times the last couple of years. Plus he doesn't have quick feet, which isn't going to help him avoid getting drilled a whole lot more. I think Buffalo will be better than last season, for what that's worth..

     

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    My tutoree was a big fan of Tomlinson. (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 12:44:42 AM EST
    When I told tutoree I had read that Tomlinson was signed, tutoree sd., yes, the Jets.  I don't like the Jets.  I didn't think to ask why.  Have they pounded the Chargers in the past?

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    Last year.. (none / 0) (#68)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 01:47:00 PM EST
    though, it wasn't exactly a "pounding".

    The Jets coach is kind of a blow hard, which means that a lot of their fans love him for his 'charisma', while all the other teams fans are decidedly less charitable.

    So it goes.

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    I've been tempted (none / 0) (#58)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:47:27 PM EST
    to make a campaign sign for my yard that says "None of the above."  I just wish Maryland had that option on the ballot.

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    U.S. sues over Arizona (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 05:16:08 PM EST
    again

    The Justice Department  filed another lawsuit against immigration practices by Arizona authorities, saying Monday that a network of community colleges acted illegally in requiring noncitizens to provide their green cards before they could be hired for jobs.