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Posted on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:10:11 PM EST
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    With the dinner & the wine & (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by christinep on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:13:56 PM EST
    Teeeeeeboooooowwww. Yes. It's nice...this kind of smile......

    Tebow. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:15:28 PM EST
    Amazing.    

    Lol! (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Edger on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:36:50 PM EST
    Hey, nice work on the front page sidebar there, BTD. ;-)

    Racism is alive and well and flourishing in the (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:02:26 AM EST
    Republican Party, and this story out of Kansas is just one example of the disease that is coursing through the veins of the GOP.

    As Charlie Pierce so clearly notes, the modern GOP is a cesspool, and not a single one of the jokers who fancy themselves the next leader of both the Republican Party and the nation has gone on record denouncing this ugly feature of the right.

    This has nothing to do with liking or disliking Obama. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with Obama's policies or his actions as president. It is ugly racism, nothing more and surely nothing less.

    I am happy for you. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:31:39 AM EST
    Letting that out probably made you feel a lot better.

    T*E*B*O*W!

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    No, it makes me sad. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:43:26 AM EST
    Racism, both blatant and soft, eats away at the soul of this country. We like to pretend it's over, a thing of the past. By ignoring it, or down-playing it, we let it fester.

    The Republican Party has built its electoral strategy around the care and feeding of that racism, that hatred and fear, since the '60s. While that strategy is sometimes good for the GOP, it is always bad for the country. It is evil.

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    amen (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:45:55 AM EST
    who would have thought 20 years ago we would still be here.  it is very discouraging.

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    Tebow is the most famous white Bronco since OJ's (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:42:55 PM EST


    Oooooh! (none / 0) (#57)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:55:51 PM EST
    Maybe I shouldn't laugh, but I sure did.  Good one, s.u.!

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    Ouch, just got this one by email... (5.00 / 0) (#90)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:48:10 PM EST
    Def Leoppard's drummer, Rick Allen, has a better arm than Tebow.

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    Double ouch! (none / 0) (#92)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:00:00 PM EST
    You're on a roll today, s.u.!    ;-)

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    LOL, congrats. (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:11:02 PM EST
    Fun game.

    Nothing wrong with (none / 0) (#4)
    by brodie on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:19:23 PM EST
    his throwing mechanics on that toss.  

    My only objection is the pointing to the sky after a touchtown toss mechanics.

    Ruthlessberger also is afflicted with this problem apparently.

    Now on to New England.  Anyone know if Brady has that same irresistible impulse to point to an imaginary celestial being?  Seems to be catching on in the league.  That and the Superman's Cape routine after scoring.

    For as long as I can recall (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Left of the Left on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:54:27 AM EST
    Athletes have been pointing into the sky. I dont see the problem with it quite frankly. It's those that attempt to control the public's lives based on what those beings allegedly think that I have a problem with.

    Such an odd thing to take objection to.

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    Oh, let it go (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by richj25 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:49:40 AM EST
    So Tim Tebow's religious. I don't see why that
    should concern people so much. This is supposed
    to be a tolerant country.

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    Well said (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:17:36 PM EST
    I find that many times those on the left, who proclaim tolerance for all, sometimes can be the most intolerant.

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    I think of my self as (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:35:15 PM EST
    a very tolerant person when it comes to this stuff.  what I am intolerant of is intolerance.  christian muslim jew atheist it makes no difference.  the more intolerant they are the more intolerant I am.

    no apologies.

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    Ahhh, my friend Donald from "paradise" (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:04:27 PM EST
    You mention: "like a lot of money-grubbing Christianistas we know who are out there."

    My only question is did you happen to know that there are also "money-grubbing" atheists and agnostics out there as well?

    Man, I've been thinking it is about that time of year to take a little sojourn in that paradise you live in.

    :)

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    sure (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:08:16 PM EST
    but they pay taxes on it

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    Tebow Ain't Alone (none / 0) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:01:27 AM EST
    I would say that 65% of score is the NFL have someone doing something to let everyone know that they believe in the christian god.  But when Tebow does it, people notice.  When kickers and black guys do it, no one cares.

    Compared to 20 years ago I would say it's triple which is very odd, did they not believe in god back then, were more secure in their religion, or is their something going on behind the scenes.

    Go back to the 60's and I doubt you see any.

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    I think (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:36:14 AM EST
    People were just more private about their religious beliefs back then.

    Maybe this is a new way of evangelizing or maybe they feel threatened by what they see as more and more people not believing, or whatever.

    I prefer that people should keep their religious beliefs to themselves unless asked about them and it's a far better way of showing how good a Christian / Jew / Muslim / Buddhist /Hindu /whatever you are by living up to the teachings of your particular faith.  The Golden Rule comes to mind as one that, while called diffrent names, seems to stretch across all faiths.  That might be a good place to start.

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    The first NFL player (none / 0) (#29)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:38:05 AM EST
    I can recall who had the sky pointing affliction was Deion Sanders from the late 80s/early 90s.  My recollection is that he wasn't copying someone else's ritual.

    The 60s -- probably the last period mostly free of big play personal attention seeking displays.  The 70s saw the slamming of the ball in the end zone.  The 80s was the end zone dance.  The 90s featured more varied garish displays of self congratulation, including some copying Sanders.  God began to be thanked far more frequently last decade and the practice seems to have become routine in the past few years.

    Probably just a phase that will eventually get displaced by some other silly gesture that players will imitate and spread around the league until they tire of it.  An unfortunate phase however in my view as a Jeffersonian believer in strict separation of church and gridiron.

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    Not for lack of Effort (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:10:22 AM EST
    From the cell phone to the the xmas bow, they are trying to out do the god props, but jesus seems to be far too in vogue these days.

    I remember players openly praying as far back as the early 80's and bring jesus into the pregame huddle, which I don't see anymore, well except in Denver.

    I could care less, I got my issues with Tebow, namely that he is the luckiest man in the NFL and he plays for the lamest team in the NFL, but showboating religion isn't one of them.  I do think it's odd that people keep acting like he is some sort of pioneer, when in fact, he's just another clown that has to let fans know that jesus loves them just a little bit more than their opponents and that's why they are in the end zone.

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    Yes, I recall the (none / 0) (#61)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:07:54 PM EST
    "openly praying" back as far as the 80's at least.  Usually, there was not that much made of it.  Except, if you will recall, before Super Bowl XXII, there was more than a little head-scratching and controversy generated because Joe Gibbs, the Redskins coach, and Dan Reeves, the Denver Broncos coach, arranged a joint prayer meeting of the two teams right before they were to meet in the Super Bowl.  (Of course, that was back in the day when the Redskins actually played well enough to make it to the Super Bowl......oh, never mind.)
    Link.

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    I get everything you are saying (none / 0) (#85)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:21:10 PM EST
    but the faith I was raised with (and completely ignored and scorned) thinks that it is very important that it is a private thing and public displays like Tebow does is, well, vulgar.

    just my 2 cents.

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    having said that I would defend his right (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:22:59 PM EST
    to do the death. perhaps not to the death but certainly with cutting sarcasm.

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    Relax. It's just football. (none / 0) (#91)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:59:21 PM EST
    Second, I wasn't aware the US Constitution is in play here.  That refers to restrictions by govt as to certain enumerated personal rights.  The NFL is a private org and therefore legally has a freer hand in regulating player conduct on the field, including restricting various types of speech or expression be it political, commercial or religious in nature.

    The league already acted, iirc, to prohibit any messaging in the eye blacking, as Tebow had done with impunity in college with his bible verses. Presumably it could act further to prohibit all outward on field expressions of speech that it deems detrimental to the league, including pointing to the sky after a big play. (they've already eliminated one form of finger pointing, that of one player pointing at an opponent he's just beat on a play)

    I would seriously doubt they'd go that far but my understanding is they could legally do it

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    Further I'm probably no more (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:18:16 PM EST
    bothered or annoyed ("intolerant" as you put it might be ratcheting things up rhetorically beyond what is warranted here since I'm just expressing a pov, not calling for a league crackdown) by Tebow et al pointing to the sky than I am by the traditional organized displays of patriotism (Natl Anthem and prominent flag displays) at every sporting event.

    I would prefer my sports watching experience be totally free of both actually, but I don't consider it being intolerant of more overtly patriotic types merely to express my preference not to see such displays.

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    TEBOW!!! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Addison on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:26:55 PM EST
    Amazing. This is what football is, that game is the dream of any football fan. If you judge yourself a football fan and were not entertained (Steelers fans excepted), re-evaluate your status...

    Pretty fair performance (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by brodie on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:34:55 PM EST
    by Tebow against what was supposed to be the league's best defense.

    Meanwhile Ruthlessberger had all the mobility of a cigar store Indian.

    Denver played better and deserved to win .  Great defense too.

    But they will get thumped by the Patriots.

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    It was a good game. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by scribe on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:19:18 PM EST
    It should be remembered that Tebow and his teammates won only against a Steelers team that was, mostly, its second-stringers.  Big Ben was hobbled by an ankle projected to be healed by April or May (said the TV guys).  The regular center was out and replaced by another offensive lineman, who was both flipping the ball all over the place (at least one major loss of yards due to that alone) and replaced in his spot by another backup.  The entire defensive line was out by halftime, replaced by backups.  The defensive play-caller was out, sidelined because of a blood condition which cost him his gall bladder and spleen the last time he played a game in Denver, and replaced by the guy who was beaten for the OT touchdown.  The #1 running back was out.  You could make an All-Pro team from the Steelers who were out with injury.

    That Ben stood in there like he did earns him even more respect in my eyes.  That the Broncos had to go to overtime to win against the Steelers' second string tells the relative merit of the two teams.

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    Sour grapes???? (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:29:00 PM EST
    Oh well.

    Elway had "The Drive!"

    Tebow has "The Strike!"

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    One Could Easily Argue... (none / 0) (#25)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:10:25 AM EST
     ...that nearly everything listed was coach related.  Including not benching Ben long ago and not having a the back-up players to beat a team that was 8-8 in the easiest division in the league.

    Denver outplayed and outcoached them, they were extremely lucky to get several calls that allowed them to tie it up, they should have lost by 14 or more.

    I hate Denver, but this was a well earned and well deserved win.

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    Very much coaching related (none / 0) (#32)
    by smott on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:53:08 AM EST
    STeelers coaches apparently don't watch much film, or maybe didn't think it was necessary.
    Can't give Tebow room to run to his left, that's the only direction moving he can actually throw the ball.
    Denver likes to go long on the first play of quarters/halfs and so on. So what does the DC call firstplay in OT?
    11 guys in the box. Leaving man coverage on Ike Taylor who'd already been roasted for a couple hundred yards of catches plus PIs.
    And Tomlin's clock-mgmt is comically bad.
    Having said all that Ben nearly brought tghem back on one ankle and with no OL.

    ANyway the winner of that game was going to get destroyed in NE anyway.

    Timmy can watch Brady and learn proper throwing mechanics hopefully.

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    Mobility (none / 0) (#13)
    by cal1942 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:43:37 PM EST
    What did you expect?

    He's playing on an injured ankle.

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    My husband's brother was at the game - (none / 0) (#6)
    by Anne on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:33:42 PM EST
    boy, did he see a good one!

    As far as I'm concerned, any day the Steelers are sent packing is a good day; that this took them out of the playoffs?  Even better!

    Ravens will face what looks like a dangerous Texans team, but I think home field will be huge.

    Should be some good games next weekend!

    Well.... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Madeline on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:02:12 AM EST
    I disagree with you.

    The Steelers are my team.  Granted, this was not the year for them and they played badly ....most of the time and in many games.

    However, don't think Tebow will last, but he did a great job tonight and should be congratulated.

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    Giants too (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:45:38 PM EST
    I think BTD may undersell the Giants, not wanting to get his hopes up.

    I think the Giants have the best chance of knocking off the Packers of anyone.

    Defense and power running back....

    I really dislike the Giants, so I have no reason to unfairly boost them.    

    Good football, is good footbal (none / 0) (#12)
    by talesoftwokitties on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:02:55 PM EST
    Good on Timmy!

    I have raised a monster (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 10:37:59 PM EST
    I got an arowana when he was about 7 inches long now he is over two feet and is so aggressive and grouchy I am a chicken to put my hand in the tank.

    wonder how arowana tastes.  just kidding.

    You've provided (none / 0) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:42:28 AM EST
    my google knowledge for the morning. From what I've found your arowana is best served as fertilizer in the garden rather than at dinner.

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    that was an evil thing to say (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:51:58 AM EST
    I would feel awful if anything happened to him.  he is in some ways almost as much of a pet as the dogs and gets just as excited at dinner time.

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    How big is your tank (none / 0) (#44)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:00:46 PM EST
    they look like they could take a finger off (or a bird off a branch).

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    130 gallons (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:07:08 PM EST
    and I dont really think they could take a finger off of would have any interest in doing that (I hope) but they can definitely take a bird off a branch.  they love to jump.  at his size he could probably jump 5 or more feet out of the water. and they do it specifically to take insects and whatever else off branches.
    I always feel bad that he cant jump.  well shouldnt jump.  they are notorious for jumping out of the tank.
    true story - the last time he did it, he has done it several times, was at christmas.  I was sitting in the floor wrapping and he dived right into the middle of a strawberry tart I was wrapping.  he seemed to like it.  he has come very close to becoming a dog treat a couple of times.  I try to keep the cover so he cant be he is sneaky.

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    tart wrapping explanation (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:42:53 PM EST
    this being my first christmas here I made fruit tarts for the neighbors.  
    the top middle is the one that became a strawberry arowana tart.

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    Okay (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:50:39 PM EST
    that picture is sending me off for lunch. It induced instant stomach growl.

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    want some! (none / 0) (#78)
    by the capstan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:58:05 PM EST
    My favorite kind--almond or frangipane in there?  I can't blame a smart fish for wanting some....

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    ha (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    yes both

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    That (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:03:09 AM EST
    would be a pretty expensive meal.

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    meh (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:49:14 AM EST
    he was about 30 bucks at 7 inches long.  now he would be hundreds probably.  and as annoying as he is I have to like him.  he is the smartest fish I have every cared for.
    note how they are biologically engineered for nothing but surface feeding.
    but he loves the things I feed the fish called "massivore pellets" (high protein stuff that makes them grow fast) but they dont float.  they sink but he is very fast VEERY fast so it became a game to see how many I could get past him to the bottom for the others. he was winning that game. so I started placing the pellets on the bottom with a tube and he actually learned to swim upside down and eat off the bottom. sometimes grabbing a mouthful of rocks which he selectively spits out. amazing.  I have had arowanas for years and I have never seen one do that.  my fish store friend did not believe it.  I had to video it.

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    Headlines re Broncos' victory seem (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:06:46 AM EST
    inaccurate.  Tebow throws a 20 yd. pass, which is caught by Thomas, who runs 60 yds. for a touchdown to win in OT.  Not:  Tebow throws pass for an 80-yd. touchdown.  

    Great game (none / 0) (#23)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 07:15:57 AM EST
    looking forwards to Pats knocking out the Broncos next week.

    pointing to the heavens (none / 0) (#26)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:17:24 AM EST
    I always thought the raised index finger was stating "see we are number one"

    It was and is (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:38:10 AM EST
    BTW - Tebow's Bible verse on his cheek was

    John 3:16.

    He threw for 316 yards.

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    That would have been a great story (none / 0) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:41:27 AM EST
    except there is no truth to it. He doesn't wear them on his cheek anymore and yesterday's Tebow bible verse was Hebrews 12:1-2.

    So you may as well squash the BS in the bud.

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    Aw geee... You mean my source was wrong? (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:59:05 AM EST
    Anyway, Hebrews 12:1-2 isn't bad:

    1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


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    Sources are weak (none / 0) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:03:22 PM EST
    trust twitter Ha

    TimTebow Tim Tebow
    Hebrews 12:1-2 GB²
    8 Jan

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    What is "GB2"? Please answer ASAP! (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:05:47 PM EST


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    GB is God Bless (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by smott on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:10:40 PM EST
    Dunno the 2...God Bless squared?

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    Silly Smott (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:15:28 PM EST
    GB² = God Bless/Go Broncos

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    Hah! Of course! (none / 0) (#51)
    by smott on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:19:53 PM EST
    My bad. Anyway I think miracles will come to an end in NE Sat night.

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    It Should Have Never Went to OT (none / 0) (#27)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 10:24:47 AM EST
    The play calling was ridiculous, especially on ac couple big ones, Denver should have won by at least 14.

    As much as I hate Denver/Tebow, yesterday was not luck or circumstance, they outplayed the Steelers.

    For all the hype and hoo-ha over (none / 0) (#35)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:24:17 AM EST
    Tebow's faith, I found this article in yesterdays' WaPo - God's Quarterbacks - to be kind of interesting - but maybe a bit of a stretch.  The premise is that we can better understand evangelical politics by studying these two athletes.

    But, first, I had no idea Ben Roethlisberger was an evangelical Christian - and I bet I'm not the only one.

    But lost amid this season's Tebow obsession has been an even more compelling tale: the deepening evangelical faith of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The last time Roethlisberger's off-field actions and attitude came under scrutiny was in early 2010, when sexual assault allegations surfaced in Georgia around the two-time Super Bowl winner. Although no charges were filed, he was suspended for four games under the NFL's personal conduct policy.

    [snip]

    Quietly, and outside the media's eyes, Roethlisberger began changing. In his only public comments after the rape allegations, and in an echo of his 2005 Super Bowl interview, he said he understood that his words were meaningless. He would have to prove that he had changed. He would have to restore his name and reputation with a new life of right action.

    By the middle of 2010, he began returning to the evangelical culture of his youth -- listening again to Christian artists he liked as a kid, reaching out to leaders for spiritual guidance. He joined Christ Church at Grove Farm, an evangelical church in suburban Pittsburgh. He mingled with parishioners. He dumped his entourage. His family moved in from Ohio and held him accountable for his surname. Last summer, he quietly married Ashley Harlan, who comes from a Pittsburgh family that a local pastor declared to be "one of the finest Christian families I've ever met in my life."

    The article ends with:

    Tebow is a missionary. Roethlisberger is a prodigal son come home. Both men have found ways of living their faith -- of being Christian pilgrims -- that reveal more about evangelicalism than whatever can be gleaned from Iowa exit polls. As they take the field Sunday, anyone wanting to know what makes evangelicals tick would be wise to pay attention.

    After all, evangelical voters may identify with a politician for a short season, but this is fleeting. Their loyalty is not to politics or party, but to their faith.

    And, if the same is true of the politicians, therein lies the rub - for me, anyway.

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:32:50 AM EST
    I find most evangelicals very much loyal to politics and party. They thing that it's the government's job to "evangelize" the nation so to speak. Once you understand that, you realize why they are so involved in politics. I think actually if you read some of the stuff they publish they will actually say that it's the government's job to make the moral codes for the nation.

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    evangelical (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:40:41 AM EST
    6. Characterized by ardent or crusading enthusiasm; zealous:

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    no idea what this says (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:35:51 AM EST
    if anything about this race but as for your last sentence I would say, not just for you.  and I have no idea if you are a "person of faith" but I think that becomes even more true for persons of certain faiths when talking about certain other faiths.
    I was just dozing on the couch watching cable and some guy was asked about SC as a "native son" and he rather sheepishly says (somewhat of a paraphrase)"you know, I hate to say this, it embarrasses me to say this but his religion is a problem and possibly a big one.  I was just talking to a friend there, a moderate republican stock broker, and when asked how he felt about Romney the first thing he said was 'his faith is a problem'"

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#50)
    by smott on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:18:11 PM EST
    There has been more than one rape allegation - the civil case in Lake Tahoe is I believe still in legal maneuverings.

    And the entourage and predatory behavior goes way back with Roethlisberger, to his college days in Miami Ohio.

    Pittsburgh's a small town and everyone knows somebody who's seen Ben in action - he's really just disgusting as a person if the stories I have heard are true. And the Rooneys were as disgusted with him as anyone - but showed themselves to be businessmen first when they decided not to release him. Bad move IMO.

    I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this change of behavior was a) mandated by the ROoneys and b) not genuine.

    But time will tell.


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    The things you mention are the reason (none / 0) (#52)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:39:46 PM EST
    I read that article with some skepticism, not just for what it set out about Ben's life now, but because it seemed to be trying too hard to relate "God's QB's" to the current political environment.

    As a Ravens fan, I am predisposed to have an intense aversion to all-things-Steelers, but that being said, I do believe people can turn their lives around, can make amends, can learn from their mistakes.  Has Ben done that?  According to the article, he's at least trying - and that's a good thing for him; it really has no bearing on me, and it won't make me a Steelers fan.

    Is it genuine?  Who knows?  Maybe it's a case of Fake It Til You Make It, but whether it's genuine or not, if he's not out living the life he had before, that's probably a good thing, no?

    Whatever it is people think he deserves because of his prior actions, seeing him and the rest of the Steelers lose is always satisfying, and that last night's loss was their exit from the post-season made it even better.

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    As a lifelong Steeler fan (none / 0) (#58)
    by smott on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:56:05 PM EST
    ...the allegations have made it impossible to really root for them whole-heartedly anymnore. When the D is on the field, yes. But if I had a #7 jersey I would have mailed it back to the front office (as many did).

    Me I'm old school LOL!  Bleier #20 jerey. With the old block numbers not the pansy curvy Nike ones.

    I guess I hope Ben has truly turned it around. I do not believe he's been seen much around town, so who knows.

    As for the Ravens - since the choice will likely be between them and the Pats - I guess I may root for them, for one game anyway!

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    One Article with an Obvious Agenda (none / 0) (#72)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:36:02 PM EST
    Ben is bad and even if the religious turn around is genuine, it would make him born again, which might not be as bad, but close.

    Plus that piece was an opinion piece, who knows if any of it is even true.

    Speaking from experience, I had a little religious turnaround, if going to church and being dropped into a religious girl's family is to be considered a turnaround, which the author is suggesting.  For me it was appeasement, I didn't buy any of it, but love is a funny character, especially when you are young.

    I'd like to think Ben and the Steelers organization is experiencing grade A karma.  My friend before the SuperBowl told me not to worry, Pitt can't win, karma will not allow it.

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    Yeah, the are Called 'Born Again' (none / 0) (#104)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 01:08:34 PM EST
    Good people aren't reborn, it's the scum bags that want a do-over.

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    EEEEELLLLIIIII !!!! (none / 0) (#40)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 11:46:14 AM EST


    Deeee-Feeense! (none / 0) (#56)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:55:05 PM EST
    Big Blue playing some serious defense...congrats, now go beat Green Bay!  

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    I have to say to BTD: (none / 0) (#59)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:58:39 PM EST
    Some of us (myself included) have been ragging on you for your "Teeeeebooooowwwwww!" obsession.  But I must give credit where credit is due.  Tim played a very good game.  You have a right to do the victory celebration, BTD.  

    Yet Another Wannabe Al-Qaeda Cretin Busted (none / 0) (#60)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:06:16 PM EST
    Federal officials said a confidential source told them in Sept. 2011 that Osmakac wanted Al Qaeda flags.

    ...

    The U.S. Department of Justice said Sami Osmakac, a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in the former Yugoslavia, was arrested Saturday night.

    Osmakac, from Pinellas County, allegedly told an undercover agent that "We all have to die, so why not die the Islamic way?'" according to a federal complaint.




    odd (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:17:43 PM EST
    he would not want to live  the Islamic way

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    No bacon, no booze, no bikinis... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:20:53 PM EST
    why on earth would anybody wanna live like that? ;)

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    As many wives as you like. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:27:47 PM EST


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    That's as big a downside (none / 0) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:29:53 PM EST
    as no bacon or booze

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    ha (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:44:17 PM EST
    I was just reading about this.  it really has a Darwinist angle that these people are so stupid they dont realize that everyone currently selling explosives in the US is an FBI agent.

    actually what I meant is that I have know some sane Muslims and from their point of view it is a very peaceful religion.  
    which IMO is no more of a paradox that the contrast of how different christians interpret their faith.

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    The way my married friends tell it... (none / 0) (#76)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:53:06 PM EST
    one is too many:)

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    Certainly my opinion! (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:05:55 PM EST


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    and I ask a personal question? (none / 0) (#80)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:11:50 PM EST
    maybe I am just not around enough to know this

    M or F?

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    I hope you are not offended (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:17:18 PM EST
    but FYI I have always imagined you as female.  I cant really say why and I dont give those sorts of things that much thought.

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    F (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:20:45 PM EST


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    excellent (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:28:15 PM EST
    my radar still works.  most of the people I have cordial relationships with are women.  always have been.  well and gay men.  often the same thing.

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    Porn is OK, or at Least Tolerated (none / 0) (#74)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:50:57 PM EST
    If those rumors were true, OBL had people downloading porn for him, loads of it.

    Jews can't eat porn either, and booze/drugs are a no/no in almost all religions, but the flocks do have their limits.

    In only Jews and Muslims could come together in their hatred of pork...

    I think the disgust with the US drives these people, along with chemical imbalances, more than any religion.

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    ha (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:53:27 PM EST
    Jews can't eat porn either

    I know what you meant but still funny

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    THIS gal gets the real game ball (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dadler on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:07:59 PM EST
    Cord snaps on young woman's bungi jump above the Zambezi near Victoria Falls.  How she came out of this so unscathed physically, wow... (LINK)

    Wow. (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:27:07 PM EST


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    this is a pretty (none / 0) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:22:30 PM EST
    devastating ad.

    This line of attack puts Gingrich in an unusual place -- aligned with Democrats.

    I think it also shows that Newt is not really all that interested in winning, making such a completely unrepublican case, and this pure kamikazi/suicide bomber stuff.

    when this "film' hits it will be the news and will saturate the airwaves.

    also interesting to wonder (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:30:06 PM EST
    if this, coming out now, will in any way inoculate Romney from these stories down the road.  I think not.

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    Huntsman is rising (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:27:49 PM EST
    I think he is going to be the story out of NH.  how much of a story.  I think maybe the story.

    what does that mean down the road?  shrug.  does his dad have enough money to finance him to keep going?  shrug.

    More (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:35:24 PM EST
    people calling themselves independents these days in fact a record number link

    Obama has brought the party membership down to a low of 31% that ties with what the party numbers were in 2002-2004.

    Speaking as a (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by sj on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:30:18 PM EST
    former Democratic party official I agree with you.  I completely identify with the Democratic party.  I just think I identify with it more than many (most?) of the office holders.  They've been way to willing to compromise on what I consider bedrock Democratic principles.  

    As far as voting is concerned I'm now freed from being a yellow dog Dem.  Now I'll vote for whom I want regardless of "electibility".  And I'll never again vote against my own values.  If that means an empty slot, well...

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    It's (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:19:44 PM EST
    pretty much self identification but it does mean something. It means less people are willing to identify themselves as a D. However, that being said, the GOP is in even worse shape.

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    Yes, the Repubs are at @27 percent (none / 0) (#97)
    by christinep on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:07:49 PM EST
    Of course, it,s also the reason that an Administration increasingly finds it must concentrate somewhat on those middling issues, & not just the base.

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    The administration (none / 0) (#98)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:12:36 PM EST
    has always concerned itself with the middle and not the base. This is not a new phenomenon.

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    The thing (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:13:23 PM EST
    is I doesn't mean centrist. I could mean further left than Obama and he would ignore it.

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    true (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:30:55 PM EST
    independents run the gamut

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