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George Zimmerman: Written Order vs. Oral Ruling at Bail Hearing

At the hearing to revoke bond on June 1, 2012, Judge Kenneth Lester said he would issue a written order. Yesterday, he issued his order, which you can read here.

Interestingly, he writes for the first time that the state's evidence is "strong." The state chose not to present evidence on the facts of the case at the April 20 bond hearing, relying instead on its affidavit. The only testimony at the hearing on the facts of the case came from the state investigator, called by the defense, who acknowledged weaknesses in the state's case. The state's affidavit of probable cause, which as has been endlessly discussed, was a one-sided portrayal with factual inaccuracies and no mention defendant's claim of self-defense. It didn't contain evidence of the elements of second degree murder. [More...]

Bail hearings in Florida in cases charging life felonies are called Arthur hearings. Florida statutes,rules and case law provide that the accused has a right to bail unless the state establishes at the hearing that "the proof of guilt is evident and the presumption great." If the state fails to meet its burden, the judge must set bail. If the state meets is burden, the judge still has discretion (as opposed to the duty) to grant bail.

Judge Lester seems to be making a finding now that he didn't make at the April 20 hearing -- that the state met its burden under the Arthur standard of establishing that the proof of guilt is evident and the presumption great. Judge Lester writes:

While the Court would have been authorized under State v. Arthur, 390 So 2d 717 (Fla. 1980), to keep the defendant in custody without granting a bond, the Court exercised its discretion and set what was believed to be a reasonable bond.

Judge Lester made no such finding in April (you can watch the video of closing arguments and his ruling here), and the State never presented evidence other than its affidavit to meet that burden. The state said at the hearing it was not going to present evidence and try the case at the bond hearing. Judge Lester never said the state met its burden, he said the defendant's motion for bond was well-taken. He also never issued a written order after the April 20 bond hearing finding the state met its burden or detailing any other findings. Yesterday's order, on his June 1 ruling revoking bond is the first written order addressing his findings at the April hearing.

Since a judge only has discretion under the pre-trial release statute to deny bond in a life felony case when the state has met its burden, and Judge Lester now says he granted bail in April as a matter of discretion, he is saying for the first time that the state met its burden in April. How can he say that now when he didn't say it then?

Here's a summary of the law on bail and life felonies:

Where the evidentiary standard concerning proof of guilt is not met, however, an accused is entitled to bail as a matter of right in the same manner as in other cases. Thus, in these cases, the following determinations must be made: whether the offense is one which will invoke the limitation upon pre-trial release; if so, whether the standard concerning proof of guilt has been properly met; and if not, whether pre-trial bail should be granted in the discretion of the court.

Judge Lester's order yesterday also shows the importance of the state being honest and not deceiving the court in its probable cause affidavit. The affidavit can be considered at the Arthur hearing as evidence to support a finding the proof of guilt is evident and the presumption is great on a life felony, which makes bond discretionary as opposed to a matter of right.

Case law in Florida since the 1950's has held that the state is unlikely to be able to meet such a burden in homicide cases where self-defense is raised. An accused's version of the manner by which a homicide occurred (such as self-defense) is generally accepted for the purpose of determining whether the proof of his guilt was evident or the presumption great. See, Florida Criminal Practice and Procedure 3.5 and cases like State ex Rel. Freeman v. Kelly, 86 So.2d 166 (1956), which cites an earlier case holding:

"Defendant's version of the homicide can not be ignored where there is an absence of other evidence legally sufficient to contradict his explanation. Appellant and deceased were the only witnesses to the homicide and the tenor of appellant's evidence is that she shot in self-defense."

In Perry v. State, the court ruled:

[W]here the state's evidence, although not insufficient to convict for a capital or life offense, is arguably impeached in substantial respects by other evidence or is rendered doubtful by substantial contradictions and discrepancies in the state's case, the proof is not stronger than beyond a reasonable doubt and, accordingly, the accused is entitled to pretrial bail as a matter of right for such offense.

The affidavit the state submitted, which was relied on by Judge Lester on April 20, failed to alert the court that the state had physical evidence and witness statements supporting Defendant's claim of self-defense. It didn't even apprise the court self-defense was an issue. Had it advised the court in its affidavit of these things, even stating its belief was that the self-defense evidence was not compelling enough to defeat probable cause, the state of facts would be in dispute and there could be no finding the proof of guilt was evident and the presumption strong -- unless there was evidence that defendant's claim was completely incredible. The state presented no such evidence in April. So there was no basis for denying pre-trial release and the Court had to grant it, it was not discretionary.

If the state wants bail rejected on June 29, it seems to me it has to file a written motion for pre-trial detention under the pre-trial detention rule, 3.132, and both produce non-hearsay evidence in support of the charges and prove there are no conditions that would reasonable assure Zimmerman's appearance at trial or the safety of the community. If it doesn't do that, then the court is still proceeding under the pre-trial release rule, 3.131, which requires the state to produce far more evidence, hearsay or otherwise, than it did in April, to establish Zimmerman is guilty of the charged offense. Its burden is to establish that proof of guilt is evident and the presumption great, which is a standard higher than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. As the Court stated in Castro:

We suspect that some of the position articulated by Mr. Castro grows out of the differences between Rules 3.131(a) and 3.132©, Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, and the fact that the trial court apparently decided to hold a hearing to set bond, and a pretrial detention hearing at the same time. Rule 3.131(a) specifically addresses pretrial release and repeats the constitutional requirements requiring bail and its denial.

Ordinarily, of course, the accused seeks the benefit of this rule. Rule 3.132, on the other hand, is based on section 907.041, Florida Statutes, and is concerned with pretrial detention. Obviously, Rule 3.132 is generally put into play by the State. Subparagraph © of the latter rule authorizes the receipt of hearsay evidence at a hearing on pretrial detention, but indicates that, "A final order of pretrial detention shall not be based exclusively on hearsay evidence." That language, however, is not found within Rule 3.131. We note that what the trial judge finally ruled on was apparently the motion to set bond. The finding that he made concerning the evident nature of the proof of guilt and the strength of the presumption invokes only Rule 3.131, and not Rule 3.132.

Mr. Castro argues essentially that the rule applicable to pretrial detention should also apply to pretrial release. Arthur says otherwise, and the rules are distinct. We decline to stir the two rules together. Each rule has a separate purpose and procedure, and they should not be mixed.

In Juste v. State, the court ruled:

As the state did not file a motion for pretrial detention pursuant to Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.132, the trial court should have determined the proper conditions of pretrial release at the hearing on the motion to set bond. See Kelly v. State, 939 So. 2d 1150 (Fla. 5th DCA 2006); Ho v. State, 929 So. 2d 1155 (Fla. 5th DCA 2006); Nguyen v. State, 925 So. 2d 435 (Fla. 5th DCA 2006).

One more: Stallings v. Ryan:

An accused is entitled to pretrial release unless charged with a capital, life felony, or an offense punishable by life imprisonment. However, on an application for bond, the trial court must find that the proof of guilt is evident or the presumption great. Elderbroom v. Knowles, 621 So. 2d 518, 520 (Fla. 4th DCA 1993). The burden is on the State to meet this standard. Id. The State is held to a degree of proof greater than that required to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Id.

Further, where the State's evidence is sufficient to convict for a capital or life offense but is arguably impeached in substantial respects by other evidence or is replete with substantial contradictions and discrepancies, the proof does not meet the standard. State v. Perry, 605 So. 2d 94, 97 (Fla. 3d DCA 1992). Accordingly, the accused in such a case would be entitled to pretrial bail as a matter of right for such offense. Id.

Put another way, as the Court did in the 2011 case of Ginsberg v. Ryan, in ruling on bail release following an order of revocation:

However, a court is required to consider the requirements of section 907.041 and Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure 3.131 and 3.132 before denying a request for pretrial release. Specifically, the State must file a motion seeking pretrial detention within twenty-four hours of the defendant's arrest. § 907.041(4)(e), (g); Fla. R. Crim. P. 3.132©. The motion must set "forth with particularity the grounds and the essential facts on which pretrial detention is sought and [must certify] that the state attorney has received testimony under oath supporting the grounds and the essential facts alleged in the motion." Fla. R. Crim. P. 3.132(a).

If "the State indicates to the court that it does not intend to file a motion for pretrial detention, . . . or files a motion that is facially insufficient, the judicial officer shall proceed to determine the conditions of release pursuant to the provisions of rule 3.131(b)(1)"

So it seems to me Zimmerman is still entitled to release on bond. And Judge Lester's order yesterday contains a revisionist view of what he ruled on April 20.

If Judge Lester doesn't grant bond on June 29, the defense can challenge his ruling by seeking a writ of habeas corpus. I think he'd be reversed. But in the meantime, Zimmerman will be jailed, and his ability to meet with his lawyers and prepare a defense will be severely curtailed. This seems overly drastic and unfair, since he didn’t falsely testify to anything, and he had a right to remain silent at his bond hearing.

Judge Lester should have issued a written order specifying why he granted bond after the April 20 hearing. Yesterday's order seems to re-write his oral ruling at that hearing.

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    You should be getting paid for this Jeralyn! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:44:56 AM EST


    no need (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:57:52 AM EST
    it's fun and I do it as I'm doing other things, like right now, watching a rerun of the first season of Breaking Bad.

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    Ha! I'm watching the same thing. (none / 0) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:02:19 AM EST
    But I really can't keep my eyes open much longer, isn't it after midnight in CO?

    Enjoy the show!

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    The best show on television (none / 0) (#8)
    by Payaso on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:36:40 AM EST
    Walter White rules!

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    Jeralyn should be (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:47:36 AM EST
    tapped by CNN or other cable news for the defense point of view.

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    She has been ... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:01:44 AM EST
    Jeralyn used to be a regular face on cable teevee, and I'm sure she didn't wear out her welcome.  I figure she's making good decisions about how she wants to spend her limited time, and would be surprised if she hasn't received and turned down requests to make public remarks for teevee audience consumption.

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    12 years (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:53:23 AM EST
    of cable TV legal analysis was plenty. Thanks for the endorsement, but I'm quite happy just sharing my thoughts here. Arguing against prosecutors for five or seven minutes is predictable and tiresome.

    If they would create a show that was defense-oriented and focused on cases of injustice, innocence, abuse of power and law enforcement misconduct -- like an anti-Grace show -- then I'd probably feel differently.

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    PITCH THIS! (none / 0) (#39)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:33:21 AM EST
    I think it would be interesting for the public to see the other side of the coin for a change.  I know I would watch!

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    Garbage in, garbage out (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by cboldt on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 12:28:00 PM EST
    -- You cite statutes and cases that stand for general principles, then give your interpretation and opinion as to what they mean, often after applying leaps of logic and/or a selective/"creative" recitation of facts. --

    For the issue of Proof Evident, I cited the Arthur case, and looked for, and didn't find, and assertion by the state, or finding by the judge, that the evidence met that standard.  That is a specific, on point legal question in this phase of this case, and I matched it with evidence.  I went on to note Lester's application of Good to justify revocation of bond, but the Good case is about establishing an amount of bond.  That is a specific, on point legal authority coupled with or compared with the judge's justification.

    No reasonable person would characterize either of those as my citing general legal principles and reaching an unfounded conclusion.

    -- Or, when you (mis)characterize the state's argument as "They (the state) assert the evidence shows him chasing Martin down, holding him (somehow, gunpoint maybe) while Martin screams for help for over half a minute, then shooting Martin in cold blood." --

    The state accuses Zimmerman of killing Martin in cold blood, and offers as Sybrina and DeeDee's statements as evidence.  Shooting in cold blood is an element of the charge (depraved mind), and I suppose my coming up with some sort of characterization to justify Martin screaming for help is pure speculation, but what other fact pattern might be offered to explain Martin screaming for help?

    -- if your interpretation is correct, you should be happy that these violations of the law are so blatant and self-evident, giving O'Mara such clear grounds for appeal. --

    I much prefer the law to be correctly applied.

    I take it your position is that the law has been correctly applied, since you are accusing me of getting it wrong.  But so far you have not produced any authority or substantive argument showing my error.  What specific leap of logic?  How have I misapplied the Arthur case, or the Paul case?  If those are not the correct legal authorities for revocation of and establishment of bond, show us some evidence that other legal authorities have superseded those.

    If, as you say, you aren't qualified to make a substantive argument in response, then you also lack a basis for rejecting my analysis.

    GIGO indeed (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by Yman on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 07:16:54 PM EST

    I went on to note Lester's application of Good to justify revocation of bond, but the Good case is about establishing an amount of bond.  That is a specific, on point legal authority coupled with or compared with the judge's justification.

    And?  There is (quite understandably) overlap between the factors that determine whether bond should/must be granted (Arthur) and the factors to be weighed in setting the amount of the bond (Good).  The Arthur standard requires that bond be granted unless "the proof of guilt is evident, and the presumption great."  This is very similar to the Good factor used to determine the amount of bond ("the character and strength of the evidence or probability of guilt").  Both cases (Arthur - after the threshhold test has been met) also consider factors related the the likelihood of the defendant fleeing.

    While Lester doesn't cite Arthur in his oral ruling during the first bond hearing, he does so in the revocation hearing, and (by implication) indicates the Arthur standard was met by the State.  He also cites Fla. R. Crim. P. 3.131(5) which allows for (paraphrasing) revocation or modification of bond if a defendant provides information which is not accurate, truthful, complete, without omissions, etc.

    Once he determined that bond was discretionary (i.e. the Arthur standard was met) and that the court had authority to revoke bond, Lester noted the issue then became "whether the bond should simply be increased, or whether he should be detained on a no bond status," citing the Good factors.  You are of the opinion that this makes him "wrong on the law", since he is citing Good factors in revoking bond.  My question is, why do you think he can't consider some of the Good factors in determining whether to increase the bond or revoke it?  Is there some statute or case law that prohibits him from doing so?  Is there a case/statute that spells out other, differing factors he must consider when deciding whether to revoke bond or increase it?  The Good factors certainly appear relevant (nature of the offense and penalty, strength of the evidence, probability of appearing, means of flight, etc.) to whether, assuming there are grounds for revocation (as the judge found), bond should be revoked ... but I'd be happy to look at any cases or statutes that indicate his consideration of these factors means he "has the law wrong".  I'm just waiting to see them.

     The state accuses Zimmerman of killing Martin in cold blood, and offers as Sybrina and DeeDee's statements as evidence.  Shooting in cold blood is an element of the charge (depraved mind), and I suppose my coming up with some sort of characterization to justify Martin screaming for help is pure speculation, but what other fact pattern might be offered to explain Martin screaming for help?

    Where does the state accuse Zimmerman of "killing in cold blood", specifically?  The State charged him with murder in the second degree, which is defined as murder with a depraved mind or accomplice felony murder.  "Killing in cold blood" might be evidence of one type of "depraved mind" murder under Fl. law, but depraved mind is generally defined as killing without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a mental state showing no regard for human life.  Of course, that's not the same thing as "in cold blood" and doesn't sound quite as inflammatory as your mischaracterization of the State's charge but, OTOH, it is accurate.

    BTW - The State also has not asserted the evidence shows him "chasing Martin down", or "holding him" for over half a minute.  If you're thinking that's what they stated on the Affidavit of Probable Cause, you may want to read it again and refresh your recollection or, in the alternative, cite from it rather than creatively characterizing what you read.


    I much prefer the law to be correctly applied.

    I do, too.  I'm just waiting for actual evidence (statutory, case or otherwise) that the law wasn't applied correctly.


    If, as you say, you aren't qualified to make a substantive argument in response, then you also lack a basis for rejecting my analysis.

    Not quite.  I reject your analysis because you cite no law indicating the judge erred in either: 1) failing to explicitly state the Arthur standard was met, and/or 2) using Good factors to explain his (temporary) revocation of Zimmerman's bond.

    ... not to mention your mischaracterization of what the state has (or, more accurately, has not) alleged.

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    He revoked bond (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by cboldt on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 08:55:41 AM EST
    -- My question is, why do you think he can't consider some of the Good factors in determining whether to increase the bond or revoke it? --

    If Judge Lester had increased bail, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.  The issue is how his revocation comports (or not) with the relevant legal standards for bond revocation.

    I agree that there is plenty of overlap in the factors to be applied in making bail decisions.  But holding a person in detention is a bright line threshold that contains more protections for the defendant, than exist for setting the amount of bail and any conditions for release.

    I don't see the Good case as the relevant authority for a decision to revoke or deny bail.  State of Florida v. Paul is the better authority to support an order to revoke and deny bail, because its holdings go to the question of detention without bail (specifically to revocation of bail), rather than to the question of amount of bail.  Paul cites many, if not all of the same factors cited in the Good case, but provides a legal standard for the application of those factors to a decision to revoke bail.  The Good case provides a legal standard for the application of the those factors in determining the amount of bail.

    Do you think the Good case is the correct one to apply to a decision to revoke bail?

    With regard to Judge Lester's ultimate finding under the Arthur case, I can't say there is no statement in Lester's opinion that implies the presence of Proof Evident.  He makes at least two statements that can only be read that way.  

    But he has also made statements that can only be taken as finding the absence of Proof Evident.  If you step into his shoes, crediting him with general awareness of Zimmerman's account as told to SPD (as has been discussed at length, for months in public, Zimmerman does have a self defense argument, in fact), it is not possible to find presence of Proof Evident.  The evidence does not support that finding.  If you concede that Zimmerman has even a weak argument of self defense, you have conceded there is not Proof Evident.

    -- The State also has not asserted the evidence shows him "chasing Martin down", or "holding him" for over half a minute. --

    The state insinuates that Martin is the one heard screaming.  The screaming goes on for over half a minute.  Something must be keeping Martin in a condition where he is screaming for help for over half a minute.  But you are right, the state has neglected to explain its theory of events.  All it has provided is disjointed snippets of evidence and a conclusion.  I think the affidavit in support of finding probable cause for murder is deficient, for that reason.  But it is fun to speculate what the state's theory of events could be.

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    Now That's how to conduct a debate (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:26:03 PM EST
    No acrimony, No ad hominems,  No pejoratives, and No childish name-calling.

    Just empirical, cognitive, factual, and intelligent conversation.

    Thank you, Yman; Thank you, cboldt


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    Repetition of information already provided (none / 0) (#113)
    by cboldt on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:48:45 AM EST
    Yman, if you are still following this exchange, I point out that MJW, in Post 88 above, cited to State v. Blair,  No. SC09-1407, (Fl, 2010) as upholding and reiterating the Paul case.  If you haven't read Blair already, I recommend it.  It's linked in this post for your convenience, although MJW also linked to it above.  Blair provides a good summary of what is required of the court in order to sustain an order of pretrial detention, including what the trial court must provide in the way of a record.

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    Not in cold blood? (none / 0) (#114)
    by cboldt on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:50:47 PM EST
    -- "Killing in cold blood" might be evidence of one type of "depraved mind" murder under Fl. law, but depraved mind is generally defined as killing without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a mental state showing no regard for human life. --

    That's somewhat tautological of the 2nd degree murder statute, F.S. 782.04(2), which says ...

    unlawful killing ... perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life ... without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual

    The meaning of depraved mind is fleshed out in the jury instruction.  From State v. Yaqubie, 51 So. 3d 474 (Fla. 3d DCA 2010)


    As the Standard Jury Instruction on second degree murder confirms, an act is "imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind" if it is one that:


    1. A person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and
    2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and
    3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.


       Fla. Std. Jury Instr. (Crim.) 7.4 Murder.

    Please describe a form of 2nd degree murder that does not involve "killing in cold blood."  Or, said another way, describe how "killing in cold blood" is a mischaracterization of charging 2nd degree murder.

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    Okay (none / 0) (#115)
    by Yman on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:39:43 AM EST
    "Cold-blooded" (in its ordinary-usage and in the context of a murder) is a term describing someone killing without feeling or emotion.  "Depraved mind" killings, OTOH, indicate a killing done with "ill-will, hatred, spite or an evil-intent" and indicating an indifference to human life.

    Defendant A is walking down the street and (without premeditation, malice aforethought, etc.) kills a person without anger, ill-will, hatred, etc., ...  This would be a "cold-blooded" killing (in the common-usage of the term), but not a depraved mind killing, as their was no hatred, ill-will, spite, etc.

    "Cold-blooded" as a legal term can also be extremely significant - and different than - "depraved mind".  Black's defines the phrase "cold-blood" is used "to designate a willful, deliberate, and premeditated homicide." Black's Law Dictionary 260 (6th ed. 1990).   "In homespun terminology, intentional murder is in the first degree if committed in cold blood, and is murder in the second degree if committed on impulse or in the sudden heat of passion"  United States v. Frady, 456 U.S. 152 (1982) - emphasis added.

    In Zimmerman's case, the state has charged him with 2nd degree murder which, by definition (and assuming they are not proceeding on the felony basis), means they believe they can establish a killing with a depraved mind.  They have not charged or accused him of killing "in cold blood", either in the common-usage of the term (without feeling or emotion") or in the legal usage of the term (i.e. "willful, deliberate, and premeditated homicide").

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    Great point - hot-blooded it is (none / 0) (#116)
    by cboldt on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 04:52:40 PM EST
    -- "Cold-blooded" as a legal term can also be extremely significant - and different than - "depraved mind". --

    On reflection, and in large based on your criticism, I too find that "cold blooded" is not the right term.  That sort of state of mind applies to a person like a hit-man, a mobster or gang-member (nothing personal, this is just business).

    With that in mind, I'd edit my remarks that invoke "in cold blood"  to say "killed with an ill-will, with no 'he needed killin' reason."  I add that "he needed killin'" part to distinguish the way the state poses Zimmerman from e.g, a woman who kills her boyfriend or husband when catching him en flagrante.

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    Lester's remark was in light of the evidence (4.50 / 2) (#75)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:33:25 AM EST
    -- Of course Lester had reviewed them, but he wasn't arguing the defense would claim they were exculpatory because he had reviewed them. --

    Of course the act of review doesn't change the nature of the evidence.  Just the same, Lester's remark was about the nature of the evidence, and it seems to me that he found substantial parts of Zimmerman's statements to SPD to be exculpatory.

    I think that's a fairly obvious conclusion for anybody to make, given that Zimmerman was not arrested by SPD, that the gist of his account to SPD was that his resort to deadly force was justified, and that SPD and the town of Sanford have publicly stated that they had no evidence that contradicted Zimmerman's account.  I would think that aside from inconsistencies (either internal to his own statements, or between Zimmerman and independent evidence), 100% of Zimmerman's account is exculpatory in nature.

    Are you saying that Zimmerman's statements are not mostly exculpatory?  If so, I'd like to read your speculation as to contents, and explanation how his statements, aside from inconsistencies (which SPD said did not exist) could be inculpatory.

    I'm wasn't characterizing them (none / 0) (#76)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 08:30:52 AM EST
    .... in the sense of offering an opinion one way or the other, just as Judge Lester was not characterizing them other than pointing out that the defense would argue that they are exculpatory.

    That being said, it wouldn't surprise me the in the least if, taken at face value, they are largely exculpatory in nature.  By definition, they're Zimmerman's version of events.  Of course, a judge (and jury) will look at the statements in light of all the other evidence and the credibility of the defendant to determine whether the statements are (as a whole) exculpatory and the weight the statements should be given.

    If the only claim being made is that the judge is pointing out that the defendant's version of events is (taken at face value) exculpatory in nature and that the defense would argue as such, I would agree.  That much is obvious.  If, on the other hand, someone is suggesting that Judge Lester was offering his opinion as to the value, weight or credibility of these statements in light of the other evidence and decided they were, as such, "exculpatory", that would merely be wishful thinking.

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    Was Judge Lester required to issue a (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:51:26 AM EST
    written order at all?  

    I assume he (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:56:35 AM EST
    wasn't or he would have. Probably had he denied bond he would have issued a written order for appeal purposes. The transcript has undoubtedly been ordered by the media or the parties, but I haven't seen a full copy. I've watched the video of the  2 hour hearing several times, with really poor audio, but I couldn't find him making such a ruling.

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    Re: poor audio (none / 0) (#6)
    by unitron on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:30:35 AM EST
    If you watched one with poor audio, it must have been better than the one at WRAL's website.

    That one would need considerable improvement to get all the way up to poor.

    A question, and if it better belongs in the Shellie Zimmerman thread, just say so.

    I've had a feeling for some time now that perhaps the idea all along, once the fuss started, was to bypass the grand jury and overcharge to get this plea bargained so it goes in front of a judge for 5 minutes but a jury is never empaneled and the investigation is never investigated and SYG isn't closely scrutinized.

    Could charging her be a way of pressuring him since presumably he has so far been in no hurry to take a plea bargain?

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    Great Read. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Tamta on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:33:38 AM EST
    This is very enlightening and helps explain why the written Order to Revoke Bond had been nagging at me, and wondering if it was in deed fair.


    Aside from guilt is evident (none / 0) (#9)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 06:44:50 AM EST
    I agree that denial of bond depends first on guilt is evident or presumption is great, but there are other factors that a court may use to deny bail.

    I've read through Florida v. Paul (2001), which looks at the Florida Constitution and statutory scheme for denial of bail in non-capital/non-life cases.  I don't know if that case has been modified or over-ruled, but point it out as an alternative path to justify denial of bond.

    There is one constitutional justification in particular, that I've not found further explication of.  The full constitutional provision is

    If no conditions of release can reasonably protect the community from risk of
    physical harm to persons, assure the presence of the accused at trial, or assure the integrity of the judicial process, the accused may be detained.

    So, how does "insure the integrity of the judicial process" differ from "assure the presence of the accused at trial?"

    Maybe answering my own question (none / 0) (#11)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:24:37 AM EST
    Looking past the Florida Constitution, and to F.S. 903.046 - Purpose of and criteria for bail determination, I see a factor stated as follows:

    903.046(2)(i) The nature and probability of intimidation and danger to victims.

    Now, while being a danger to victims (or witnesses) is within being a danger to the public, the factor does appear to cause a more particular reflection on the part of the court.  So, I can see that "assure the integrity of the judicial process" easily involving consideration of whether or not the accused will intimidate a witness.  That is certainly a different question from whether or not the accused will appear before the court.

    I don't see any finding in Lester's order that justifies revocation of bail.  I think this order would be reversed on appeal.

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    I agree with that Cboldt (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by bmaz on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 03:33:43 PM EST
    as well as with what Jeralyn laid out.  One further thing strikes me though. Bail had been established as being available, bail is supposed to be only so onerous as to guarantee appearance, not punitive and Zimmerman has done nothing to indicate he will not appropriately appear and defend. In fact, everything about his conduct while on bail and his ready resubmission to custody voluntarily when requested only confirms he is no flight risk.  

    The viability and credibility of Lester's original bail finding has only been strengthened, not weakened. Say what you will about what Shellie Zimmerman did, and she too may have a defense; but, (unlike George) the affidavit against her clearly meets the elements of the crime charged, and the crime looks appropriate for the facts if you are going to charge her.  That is all her problem though; George Zimmerman did not make any such affirmative acts or possible criminal ones. All he did was stand mute when he had an absolute 5th Amendment right to do so. None of this is new argument I know, but here is my point....

    Without any indication of witness tampering, threat to public safety violation of the terms and condition of bail or new criminal activity, what basis does Lester have to revoke?  It appears to me Lester has vindictively punished Zimmerman because he legally exercised a fundamental Constitutional right (right to silence). In short, Lester unconscionably "upped the ante".  I know this is slightly different from the traditional Blackledge line of cases in that a court did it and not the prosecutor (although it was at the behest of the prosecutor). But still, the theory seems to apply.

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    Integrity of the judicial process (none / 0) (#88)
    by MJW on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:02:38 PM EST
    In State v. Paul, the Florida supreme court said "the Legislature has created a comprehensive and carefully crafted scheme for setting forth the circumstances under which a defendant may be held in pretrial detention."  That scheme, mostly in section 907.041, determines what actions threaten the integrity of justice to the point that bond can be denied.  You (cboldt) wondered in another comment if Paul is still good law.  It is.  In the 2010 decision State v. Blair, the court reaffirmed the principles in Paul.

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    "The Evidence Against Him is Strong" (none / 0) (#10)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 06:47:16 AM EST
    I am also mystified by this comment.  What evidence could Judge Lester have seen that the rest of us haven't?

    Additional evidence the judge has seen (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by MJW on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:13:02 PM EST
    In his assessment of the evidence's strength, the judge is limited to the evidence produced at the hearing.

    Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.132:

    The court's pretrial detention order shall be based solely on evidence produced at the hearing and shall contain findings of fact and conclusions of law to support it. The order shall be made either in writing or orally on the record.

    I think it's a little ironic that in a situation involving withholding information from the court, the state leaves out the part of of Shellie's testimony where she says her brother-in-law can provide the PayPal amounts, and the judge attempts to misrepresent his findings in the bond hearing to support the result he now desires.

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    Furthermore (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by MJW on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 05:09:09 PM EST
    I doubt with the evidence presented in the bond hearing, the judge could have properly found that the proof was evident or the presumption great.

    Arthur held:

    Simply to present the indictment or information is not sufficient. The state's burden, in order to foreclose bail as a matter of right, is to present some further evidence which, viewed in the light most favorable to the state, would be legally sufficient to sustain a jury verdict of guilty. This is the predominant view among jurisdictions with similar constitutional provisions. Fountaine v. Mullen, 117 R.I. 262, 366 A.2d 1138 (1976). The state can probably carry this burden by presenting the evidence relied upon by the grand jury or the state attorney in charging the crime. This evidence may be presented in the form of transcripts or affidavits.

    I don't think an arrest affidavit is any more evidence than is an information or indictment.  I believe Arthur requires the state to present affidavits and transcripts of witness testimony, not a rehash of the charge in the information that happens to be in the form of an affidavit.  An arrest affidaivit is not "the evidence relied upon by the . . . the state attorney in charging the crime."

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    Agreed. At a minimum (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:42:24 AM EST
    the basis for the judge's "the evidence against him is strong," is curious, and at a maximum seems to be made out of sawdust and air.  The affidavit was enough for the judge to find probable cause, but an assessment and characterization of the evidence as being strong does not fully match the affidavit which states "the facts mentioned in this affidavit are not a complete recitation of all the pertinent facts in the case, but only presented for probable cause for second degree murder."  

    The judge was apparently upset, if not embarrassed, by subsequent information regarding the bond hearing, but it also seems to me that the judge was rebutting indirect criticism of him addressed to Corey by Alan Dershowitz on the flimsiness of the affidavit.  Moreover, anytime Governor Rick Scott is lurking in the mix, there is, for me, cause for skepticism for anything judicious.

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    Read the Arthur Case again (none / 0) (#26)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:58:03 AM EST
    -- the basis for the judge's "the evidence against him is strong," is curious, and at a maximum seems to be made out of sawdust and air. ... --

    Without the sawdust, even.

    Blame O'Mara for this, at least in part, because he did not question investigators at all about the exculpatory material they had in their possession.  All O'Mara challenged was a couple points in the four corners of the affidavit.

    Under Arthur, The burden is on the state to produce evidence that satisfies the "proof is evident or the presumption great" standard.

    Besides reading Arthur for what it holds, now is a good time to read Judge Hirsh's opinion and order following the Arthur hearing in the Wyche case.  Hirsh reviewed a substantial body of evidence, not the state's summary affidavit, before concluding that defendant had a self defense argument, as a matter of law.

    Judge Lester has worn out his presumptions of competence, objectivity, and good faith, in my book.  Not that this means anything outside of my head, but my initial impression of him as a decent fellow has been replaced.  I don't trust him, nor do I trust the court to follow the law.

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    Boy Howdy (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by bmaz on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 03:36:03 PM EST
    that is just what I have been thinking too. At first blush, I thought Lester pretty square, not so much anymore.

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    It's funny (none / 0) (#93)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:00:05 PM EST
    Can't blame Lester.  He didn't say all that much at the first bond hearing, but people were reading all kinds of things into the few comments he did make, the "reasonableness" of the bond, his limiting the scope of cross, .... even his body language.

    Now that he makes an adverse ruling based on the fact that he (quite reasonably) believes he was mislead in the prior bail hearing, suddenly he's incompetent, untrustworthy, not objective, etc.

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    It's not that the ruling is adverse (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:20:13 PM EST
    The problem is that the ruling appears to lack the support of the relevant legal authority.  Before this ruling there wasn't much to go on, and his actions seemed to track Florida law reasonably well.

    So, "can't blame Lester" is baloney.  There is all sorts of material in these posts that explore and show how he's erred.  If you think he hasn't erred, pony up the legal authority and mount some argument.

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    "Legal authority"? (none / 0) (#98)
    by Yman on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 09:55:08 AM EST
    To counter opinions?  Opinions of people who don't practice criminal law in Florida?

    Heh.

    The problem is that the ruling appears to lack the support of the relevant legal authority.  Before this ruling there wasn't much to go on, and his actions seemed to track Florida law reasonably well.

    Of course it appears that way to some people.  People tend to see what they want to see.  Of course, if Lester's ruling are as groundless as some people believe, it should be a slamdunk appeal ....

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    That's not a substantive argument (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by cboldt on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 10:09:27 AM EST
    Yman, I've cited Arthur, Paul, the statutes, and the Florida constitution in support for my point of view.  The fact that I don't practice law in Florida is no impediment to you putting up a similarly substantive rebuttal.

    If the word "appears" is the only thing you are going to hang your "win" on, I'll change my remark to say flat out, Lester has the law wrong.  He does not cite the relevant legal authority, period.

    As for your remark that people tend to see what they want to see, well, that swings both ways.  But at least my contributions here are supported with case citation and reasoned argument.

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    I say that with all due respect. (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by bmaz on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 09:16:54 PM EST
    But that is a load of dung. Any reasonable attorney would expect better consistency, not duplicity, out of Lester and would, if he is to take the astounding (3 hours notice to O'Mara, no opportunity to have client present for unexpected consideration of "critical phase" issue and negative action based upon an incomplete and slanted prosecution hit piece) action he did, expect the subsequent tardy written "opinion" to be far more than the BS item Lester produced.

    Seriously, this is ghastly for even a non-attorney justice of the peace court, much less a prime state superior level trial court and supposedly experienced judge like Lester.  I honestly do not care a lick where anyone comes down on Zimmerman as a whole, and I have more than a few gripes about several things, but the law presumes innocence and fundamental fairness within the due process constricts of FL law.  We are getting far astray from those concepts as well as fundamental overriding Constitutional principles. You, yman, seem fine with that; I think you are such an outlier as to be trolling much of the time on a dedicated defense blog.

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    3 hours (none / 0) (#104)
    by cboldt on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 06:22:49 PM EST
    Turns out, that amount of notice is recited in the Florida Crim Pro Rules, for modification of bail.


    3.131 - Pretrial Release
    (d) Subsequent Application for Setting or Modification of Bail.
    (2) .... The state may apply for modification of bail by showing good cause and with at least 3 hours' notice to the attorney for the defendant.

    Note that this is for modification, not revocation, and not for imposing pretrial detention.  Pretrial detention is covered under Rule 3.132 and associated statutory provisions.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by bmaz on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 10:49:22 PM EST
    I was aware of that provision; I don't think it controls. I still find the short notice and actions of Lester to be a denial of due process.

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    Why does it not control? (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by cboldt on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 08:01:50 AM EST
    I don't think it controls either, because the court's action was not a modification of bail.

    But I can imagine the state arguing that short notice was justified because part of its request was for modification of bail, just an increase in amount; and in the alternative, for revocation.

    IMO, if the Court's instant action had been to increase bail rather than to revoke it, we wouldn't be entertaining the notion that there was a denial of due process.

    Separate from that, I don't see anything in the state's Motion to Revoke Bond requesting pretrial detention under Rule 3.132, other than an opening citation to Rule 3.132.

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    Perhaps he is incompetent, etc. (none / 0) (#95)
    by MJW on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:29:37 PM EST
    Now that he makes an adverse ruling based on the fact that he (quite reasonably) believes he was mislead in the prior bail hearing, suddenly he's incompetent, untrustworthy, not objective, etc.

    In other words, as additional evidence of the judge's competence, trustworthiness, and objectivity comes in, people reassess their opinions.

    It isn't just that he made an adverse ruling; it's that he made an adverse ruling that we critics believe is contrary to Florida law.  But worse, he attempts to rewrite history to allow him to hold Zimmerman without bail.  Following the bond hearing, he made no findings of fact or conclusions of law to support the implication in his recent opinion that the hearing evidence established that the proof of Zimmerman's guilt was evident or the presumption great.

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    Dershowitz's criticism... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Gandydancer on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:51:39 PM EST
    ...of Corey's Affadavit wasn't even implicitly a criticism of Lester until Lester implied, in the bail revocation, that the Affadavit was sufficient to establish proof Evident. It was Herr (and perhaps whichever judge directed the Clerk to issue the Capias, if there was such a judge) who had previously ruled the Affidavit sufficient, not Lester.

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    He has said (none / 0) (#33)
    by amateur on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56:44 AM EST
    that he heard/saw the recordings of the interviews with GZ.  It's not clear whether that was before or after the first bond hearing.

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    Where Did Judge Lester Claim That? (none / 0) (#36)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:09:54 AM EST
    I did not find a claim, in the revocation of bail document, that he had seen the evidentiary interviews of Zimmerman by the police.  Could you post a link to where he said he did?  If he did, and thinks they incriminate Zimmerman, that would be really big news.

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    He did not say it in the (none / 0) (#37)
    by amateur on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:25:10 AM EST
    order, nor did he say they incriminate Zimmerman.  In the hearing where GZ's bond was revoked, while both sides argued for sealing his statements to police, the judge said he had heard them and that the defense would claim they were exculpatory (while the state claims they are incriminating).

    I do not mean to assert that it is this evidence which Lester claims is strong, I was only answering the question of what evidence the judge had seen that we had not.

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    Check the hearing (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:58:45 PM EST
    audio around 12:40 or 12:50. He does say to O'Mara that he's seen some of the statements and he knows O'Mara will say they are exculpatory. It's not clear what he's seen. But he's emphatic O'Mara will view it as exculpatory.

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    What the Judge Said (none / 0) (#49)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:44:14 PM EST
    At 13:30, I think I heard Judge Lester say, "I had a chance to review them and you are going to say they are exculpatory".  This was right after O'Mara said, "I haven't said anything".  So, so far, this seems to be the only explanation for the judge claiming that the evidence against Zimmerman is strong.

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    During the discussion of public release (none / 0) (#38)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:31:03 AM EST
    The nominal function of the June 1 hearing was to review press motions for release of evidence to the public, through the application of Florida sunshine laws.

    The prosecutor argued that Zimmerman's statements to police were confessions, because parts of the statements could be used to impeach Zimmerman's account.  Lester indicated that he was aware of details of Zimmerman's statements, and he found that they probably weren't confessions, because O'Mara would read the words and find them to be exculpatory.

    I searched for at least a partial transcript of that part of the hearing, and found none.  The hearing audio is available online, and I've listened to all of it.

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    So has O'mara seen the statements or not? (none / 0) (#46)
    by willisnewton on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:21:30 PM EST
    I know it seems like he should have seen them, but why is the judge answering for Mark O'Mara when O'Mara says " I haven't said anything" re whether the statements will be inculpatory or exculpatory?

    Jeralyn has asserted previously, and rather credibly that "of course" MO'M would have these statements, but this conversation leads me to believe he may have not.  

    Does the state have the leeway to have withheld this material from the media AND the defense until the pretrial motions about suppression from the media were settled, or not?  IANAL and Jeralyn seems convinced the state had to turn over materials in 15 days.  

    But the gist of the conversation seems odd to me if that is the case.  All I know is that the prosecution wanted the material kept from the media, and benefits from the delay if this action also managed to keep the material for a time from the defense in so doing.  Obviously they have to give discovery before a trial can take place - but didn't the defense make a motion to waive a speedy trial?  Does that have any relevance to when the defense gets discovery?  Certainly the defense is entitled to more discovery in the future  - materials that have yet to be generated - so what is owed to them and in what timely fashion?  I assume there are formal and informal rules regarding all this.  Time seems rather relative in the court system.  

    IANAL, and I'm sorry that I have basically asked this same question again but it seems unclear at best to my layman's eyes.  

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    Rules are for Chumps (none / 0) (#51)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:03:00 PM EST
    I don't think O'Mara has Zimmerman's statements on June 1.  That 15 day rule doesn't bind anybody until a judge issues a specific order.  O'Mara didn't seem displeased that he wasn't getting evidence.  If he wanted it, he could move the court for an order that the state provide discovery.

    My impression is that the state is more concerned with public knowledge than it is with the case.  It wants to keep exculpatory evidence out of public view.  Read the state's motion about letting Zimmerman appear at the April 20 hearing in street clothes.  The state argues whichever side of the issue will most prejudice Zimmerman.  

    With the clothing, the state said that a jury would not be prejudiced by seeing Zimmerman, in court, in prison garb.  That a jury knows to disregard public appearance, etc.  With Zimmerman's statements to police and the stress test, the state argued the jury pool would be tainted.

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    The Court and state are making it up (none / 0) (#14)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:12:20 AM EST
    -- If the state wants bail rejected on June 29, it seems to me it has to file a written motion for pre-trial detention under the pre-trial detention rule, 3.132 --

    The state's motion of June 1 cites both 3.131 and 3.132.  IOW, that motion has already been filed, and the hearing was held.

    I think a number of reversible errors are involved in all that.  Defendant's request for continuance was rejected (he's entitled to one); and the state didn't "[show] beyond a reasonable doubt the need for pretrial detention pursuant to the criteria in section 907.041, Florida Statutes" [might be a typo in rule 3.132, I think the statutory provisions are at 903.046].  In fact, the state admitted that it would be satisfied if the court increased bail substantially.

    903 is not equal to 907 (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:36:16 AM EST
    Oops - in a hurry, I thought all the 3.132 references were to chapter 903 of Fl statutes, but now I see the rule refers to 907.041 - Pretrial detention and release, not to 903.046 Purpose of and criteria for bail determination.

    907.041 points to 903.046 ...

    (c)  The court may order pretrial detention if it finds a substantial probability, based on a defendant's past and present patterns of behavior, the criteria in s. 903.046, and any other relevant facts, that any of the following circumstances exists: ...

    None of the factors in 907.041 was found by Lester, and his finding of "does not properly respect the integrity of the judicial process" is a non-existent legal criteria with which to justify bail.  Lester has to find that holding Zimmerman in custody is necessary to assure the integrity of the judicial process.  It is impossible for a court to force anybody to "have proper respect."  A court can require absence of show of disrespect, lying, etc., but actual respect for the court is earned.  What Lester has failed to show is how releasing Zimmerman will detriment the integrity of the judicial process.

    Lester's order is a show of arrogance or ignorance on his part.

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    Question from a non-lawyer (none / 0) (#59)
    by Cashmere on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:00:55 PM EST
    If Lester did not rule based upon the criteria for bail determination when revoking Zimmerman's bond, what are the options for the defense?

    Can they make a motion to have Lester removed from the case, and if so, what are the ramifications to such a motion?  

    Thanks.

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    Procedural Steps in Response (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:33:14 PM EST
    O'Mara could move for reconsideration, and cite legal authority.  Or he could appeal the decision to a higher Court.  The reason he can appeal before trial is that the issue is one of wrongful detention by the state - detention being unsupported as a matter of law.

    There is no basis to remove the judge from the case.  Errors like this are probably very common, and generally go unchallenged for a few reasons.  It is more expensive for defendant to force the state to follow the law, compared with the elapsed time of illegal detention; and defense lawyers are part of the justice system scam, reluctant to anger judges who will create more havoc against their client.

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    Procedural Steps - Part Two (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:04:06 PM EST
    In this case, the Court has set a date for another Bond Hearing, June 29th.  O'Mara has not yet filed his response to the state's Motion to Revoke Bond; or a motion styled some other way (it's not possible to predict the details when the Court doesn't have a routine process).

    Hopefully O'Mara's motion will cite Arthur and other relevant authority in rebuttal to the state's motion for revocation of bond.  All this will be roughly what I pictured when I remarked about a "Motion to Reconsider," previously.  The court made a decision, a party thinks the decision is wrong, as a matter of law, and respectfully requests the Court to reconsider its decision in light of cited authority.

    Obviously, O'Mara is not in a big hurry to resolve either the illegal detention or the case in chief.  I don't see him making any request before June 29.

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    yes the state's motion of (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 05:12:40 PM EST
    June 1 seeks detention or a higher bond, but they didn't file such a motion at the first appearance or before the April 20 hearing that I have found, which I think means the April 20 hearing was under the pre-trial release statute, not the detention statute, and that Z. was entitled to bond as a matter of right, and he would only get to exercise discretion in granting or denying bail if the state had proved the required presumption of guilt and proof evident. In his written order yesterday, he says his grant of bail on April 20 was discretionary, which it could only be if he had found the state met its burden and there's no record in the April 20 minutes or audio of the hearing (that I have heard) where he makes such a finding.

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    No contention that the state met its burden (none / 0) (#60)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:26:21 PM EST
    The remarks in the record have no indication that anybody was ever of the mind that proof evident or presumption great was present.

    O'Mara's April 12 Motion to Set Reasonable Bond asserts "16. Mr. Zimmerman is, as a matter of law,  entitled to bond on this matter."  There is no sign of rebuttal to this by the state.  All the argument is over the amount of bail.  I see no argument that Zimmerman is not entitled to bond, until June 1, and that argument does not mention the strength of evidence in the state's case against Mr. Zimmerman.

    April 27 Court minutes include notice that "State Attorney made an ore tenus motion for Court to raise the bond.'  This was in light of O'Mara's notification to the Court of $200,000 raised via website.

    June 1 Court minutes include notice that "Court granted the state's Motion to Revoke Bond."

    The state's June 1 Motion to Revoke Bond does not assert that the state's case meets proof evident or presumption great.  Its conclusion is "21. In setting Defendant's bond at $150,000 the Court relied on false representations and statements by Defendant and Shelly Zimmerman.  The Court should revoke Defendant's Bond or at minimum increase it substantially."

    And jut to reiterate, Lester's Order of June 11 makes contradictory remarks - saying both that the granting of bond was a discretionary act, and that Zimmerman had a right to bond.  I find the remark that the grant was an act of discretion to be an unsubstantiated flyer.

    I'm finding that review of the rules and law of Florida are not a reliable indicator for the substantive argument in motions or the actions of the Court or parties.

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    Plus, O'Mara was not given time to rebut (none / 0) (#64)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:11:12 PM EST
    The state filed its Motion to Revoke Bond (which does not provide proper legal authority for the request to revoke) on short notice to O'Mara.

    O'Mara had no opportunity to reply in writing, and unless he knows Arthur and related cases like the back of his hand, didn't have the legal authority that controls the outcome.

    Once Lester renders his decision (without proper legal authority), the decked is stacked for the output of an Order and Opinion that similarly lacks citation to and application of the legal authority that controls the outcome.  So Lester makes up some legal mumbo jumbo that will satisfy most observers, like "the state's evidence is strong."

    Now we'll get to see O'Mara's legal chops.

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    Curioser and Curioser (none / 0) (#18)
    by Slayersrezo on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:20:59 AM EST
    I'm starting to have difficulty figuring out the states response to this case assuming any kind of good faith prosecution.

    And this Judge is starting to remind me of Nifong's friend in the Duke case. He declared there was all sorts of evidence too.

    I might be missing your point, but ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:53:14 AM EST
    -- Since he said he was using his discretion to order bond, it means he didn't find that on April 20. --

    If, on April 20th, he said he is granting bail as a matter of discretion, it implies  that he found the proof of guilt is evident or the
    presumption is great.  Otherwise, defendant is entitled to bond as a matter of right, not judicial discretion.

    I think we are saying the same thing (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:11:12 PM EST
    I think the judge relied on the affidavit for which Mag. Judge Herr found probable cause (at the first appearance after giving it a quick glance.) Under Arthur, he's allowed to do that. Without any mention of self-defense or conflicted facts, and with the misstated facts (such as disregarding the "instruction" of the dispatcher) he would be allowed to conclude that met the state's burden.

    Only had he found that the state met its burden, under the rule, would bond be discretionary as opposed to a matter of right under the bail release law. Since he said yesterday he used  his discretion to order bond on April 20, he's saying he found the state met its burden on April 20, and was granting bond anyway under his discretion. But he didn't say that at the time. He only said the defendant's motion (which alleged he was entitled to bond as a matter of right) was well-taken.

    Has anyone found him saying at the hearing the state met it's burden or even that the evidence was strong?

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    He said both things in his order (none / 0) (#48)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:23:31 PM EST
    Lester said the grant of bail was discretionary (implying a finding that the state met the burden of "guilt evident or presumption great"); but he makes more than one contradictory remark.

    1. During the hearing on whether or not Zimmerman confessed, Lester says Zimmerman's marks will be viewed as exculpatory by O'Mara - no kidding, Zimmerman is spending hours explaining why he felt justified.

    2. In the order itself, Lester writes, "the Court balanced the Defendant's right to be free from custody ..."

    -- Has anyone found him saying at the hearing the state met it's burden or even that the evidence was strong? --

    In the Order of June 11, he says "the evidence against him is strong," whatever that means.  I know of no similar remark during any public hearing, and his comments and remarks seem to undercut the prosecution's case without coming out and saying so.

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    I meant the April 20 hearing (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:42:56 PM EST
    sorry, that's the hearing at which he granted bond. He really should have entered a written order then.

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    I do not recall any such thing. (none / 0) (#87)
    by bmaz on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 03:46:55 PM EST
    ...and I would argue that finding O'Mara's Motion For Bond "well taken" militates in favor of NOT finding proof evident and presumption great.

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    O'Mara and Zimmerman's innocence (none / 0) (#22)
    by friendofinnocence on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:23:44 AM EST
    I hope this isn't off-topic or too dumb, but I was wondering if O'Mara is precluded from saying George Zimmerman is innocent in court because he has admitted he shot Trayvon Martin, even though he claims it was self-defense.

    I've heard in the past that a lawyer can't say her client is innocent in court if the client has confessed his guilt, even confidentially.

    The reason I'm wondering is because I haven't heard O'Mara say Zimmerman is innocent, although clearly he could have done so and I just missed it. Anyway, I'm just curious if there is a technicality in a self-defense case that prevents him from doing so.

    I'll let the criminal lawyers (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:05:00 AM EST
    Answer definitively, but in this case, George Zimmerman is not "innocent" in the technical sense - he DID shoot Trayvon Martin and admitted it.  Claiming self-defense is what is known as an "affirmative defense", which means the defendant admits to the act in question, but claims a mitigating or justifying reason for his actions.

    And, as you may be aware, at trial, no defendant is ever found "innocent".

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    O' Mara is free to state the defense (none / 0) (#29)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37:07 AM EST
    And you too jbindc ...

    -- I was wondering if O'Mara is precluded from saying George Zimmerman is innocent in court because he has admitted he shot Trayvon Martin --

    What he would say would be that Zimmerman's actions were legally justified.  Another way to put it is that he's not guilty of any form of unjustified killing.

    He'd phrase things in court in the framework of evidence and whether or not the state has met a certain standard of proof.  The standard of proof varies between indictment, arrest, charging (low level of proof is enough to go on), immunity (need better proof), and trial (need proof beyond a reasonable doubt) phases - but there is always a standard of proof involved.

    O'Mara has challenged certain assertions by the state, like "profiled" and "confronted," but he hasn't taken those concessions and attached them to a conclusion.  He has a right to do that.  It's called argument.

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    And me too, what? (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:52:13 AM EST
    And your little dog, too (none / 0) (#34)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:01:00 AM EST
    My remark was a reply to friendsofinnocence post, not to yours.  But, my remark was in part a response to yours, too - in agreement, just saying things in a different way.

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    Ah, ok (none / 0) (#35)
    by jbindc on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 11:08:30 AM EST
    I didn't understand.

    Thanks.

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    O'Mara (none / 0) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:20:30 PM EST
    can say his client is innocent. Killing someone is an act, not a crime. It's only a crime when coupled with a culpable mental state.

    Admitting he shot someone isn't admitting guilt. It's admitting the commission of an act. The act may or may not be a crime, depending on the circumstances.

    His client could be innocent because his act was excusable or justifiable or immune from prosecution.

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    Lester's order is based on a fictional standard (none / 0) (#23)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:24:35 AM EST
    Lester's order says, "the Court would have been authorized under State v. Arthur to keep the Defendant in custody without granting a bond, the Court exercised its discretion and set what it believed to be a reasonable bond."  It goes on to discuss some sort of made up balancing test, but the balancing test is not the point of my remark, right now.  Just notice that Lester cited Arthur, and said his decision to grant bond was an exercise in discretion.  There is no escaping that he found proof of guilt is evident or the
    presumption is great, because without that finding, the state would not be authorized, under Arthur, to keep Defendant in custody without (considering) the granting of bond.

    Lester's order goes on to say, "In determining the reasonable bond amount, the Court balanced the Defendant's right to be free from custody, while still ensuring his appearance in court, with the community's safety if he were to be released.  His financial status was a key factor in this test."

    Zimmerman can't both have a right to be free on bail (under Arthur), and at the same time have a grant of bail be an act of discretion under Arthur.

    Doublespeak by Lester.

    That balancing test is a joke, too.  If Defendant is a danger to the community, or will threaten witnesses and detriment the integrity of the judicial process, no amount of money is appropriate.  Why would "financial status" be the key factor is a "danger to community" consideration?

    I found myself asking (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Tamta on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:57:30 PM EST
    From this bond situation:

     is money the only thing that speaks to a defendants willingness and ability to cooperate?

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    Are you kidding? (none / 0) (#112)
    by Angel on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:01:32 PM EST
    You write... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Gandydancer on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:47:52 AM EST
    Zimmerman can't both have a right to be free on bail (under Arthur), and at the same time have a grant of bail be an act of discretion under Arthur.

    ...but there are reasons not to allow bail other than Proof Evident. Or is it your point that those involve the judge making explicit findings the results of which are not discretionary? He can't just allow bail and, if unchallenged, properly fail to record his finding of Proof Evident?

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    The Judge wrote "D's right to be free" (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:25:58 AM EST
    -- but there are reasons not to allow bail other than Proof Evident. Or is it your point that those involve the judge making explicit findings the results of which are not discretionary? --

    In the remark you blockquote, I am referring only to what is referred to as the first stage of an Arthur hearing.  The Arthur case only covers this stage, and this stage is the determination of whether or not the state's evidence meets "proof evident or presumption great."

    What Judge Lester says first in his June 11 order implies that the case meets the standard (Court would have been authorized under Arthur to not grant bond), and everything else he says and does implies that the case doesn't meet the standard.  

    Lester found that O'Mara's April 12 motion (which says Zimmerman, charged with murder, is entitled to bond as a matter of law) is well taken; that there is exculpatory evidence; and in his June 11 order, that Zimmerman has a right to be free from custody.

    Lester never made an express finding that the state's evidence meets the standard of "guilt evident or presumption great," and even if he did, the record still contains substantive contradictory signals.  The prosecution never asserts its case meets the standard, either, nor does it ever ask the court to find so.

    So, that's one of several points I've made; and it is focused just on the guilt evident or presumption great aspect of a bail hearing.  I've also remarked about the factors a court may use to deny bail to an accused who has a right to bail.

    Neither the state nor the court have cited any factor from statutory law or crim. pro. rules as the basis for denial of bail (or for conditional release, if phrased in that sense).  Lester cites a made-up test in his June 11 order, a balance between Zimmerman's right to be free, ensuring Zimmerman's appearance before the Court, and Zimmerman's danger to the community.  Lester says Zimmerman's financial means is a key factor in that balance.

    He doesn't find Zimmerman to be a danger to the community.  He doesn't find Zimmerman to be a flight risk.  No other factor in that balance justifies detention without bail.

    On page 3 of his June 11 order, Judge Lester cites Good v Wille quoting Stansel v State.  He repeats the insinuation that the state's evidence meets the Arthur test (which is not a fact in Good or Stansel, which predates Arthur) by saying Zimmerman is charged with murder and the state's evidence is strong.  But he does not find that the state's evidence satisfies "guilt evident or presumption great," just that the evidence is "strong."  But this is entirely out of rig with the cite he blockquotes, which opens, "Factors to be considered in determining the amount of bail."  That's not "Factors to be considered in denying bail"!

    Moving on from finding the state's evidence to be strong, Lester notes Zimmerman had been charged with a crime, and was separately subjected to an injunction.  The factors that Good provides in that regard are "the prior record of the accused in responding to process ... his respect for the law."

    The most important factor, according to Lester's opinion and order, is that Zimmerman "has demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process."  The court finds, based on a factor used to determine the amount of bail, that revocation of the bond is appropriate.

    Lester is winging it, all the way around.  I've searched high and low for a finding that supports revocation of bail, and have not found the court or the state providing one based on the law.

    It'll take less time and effort to obtain bail by motion and the June 29 hearing, than it would to obtain bail by petition to an appellate court, so Lester has a low risk of being reversed.  O'Mara will also consider that taking an appeal could increase Lester's bias and hard feelings against Zimmerman.

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    Point is... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Gandydancer on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 05:33:05 AM EST
    ... O'Mara got a lot of props for examining on the Affadavit (though I don't understand why that's not absolutely SOP since the prosecution put absolutely nothing else in evidence, so why ever pass the opportunity to dig into it?) But he missed any opportunity, if there ever was one, to get Lester unambiguously on the record on the question of what I am calling, in shorthand, Proof Evident. And now Lester may well be in position to assert that in his mind he decided for Proof Evident but awarded bail by discretion. The requirement, if any, that he verbalize or memorialize his finding may be proper Crim Proc, but may be as unenforceable a dead letter as the requrement that Herr actually consider whether probable cause existed in the Affadavit, raising nothing but puzzlement if ever it is suggested.

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    It's enforcible in principle (none / 0) (#71)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 06:04:20 AM EST
    -- [O'Mara] missed any opportunity, if there ever was one, to get Lester unambiguously on the record on the question of what I am calling, in shorthand, Proof Evident. --

    O'Mara asserted that there was not proof evident, in his April 12 motion for reasonable bond.  He said that Zimmerman is entitled to bond as a matter of right.  On April 20, Lester said the motion was well taken.

    I agree that the Proof Evident legal phrase is absent from the pleading and the order, but Lester has provided more signals that the proof is not evident, than that it is.

    -- The requirement, if any, that he verbalize or memorialize his finding may be proper Crim Proc, but may be as unenforceable a dead letter as the requrement that Herr actually consider whether probable cause existed in the Affadavit, raising nothing but puzzlement if ever it is suggested. --

    Lester's ambiguity on the Proof Evident standard is not final, in principle.  If O'Mara takes Lester's order as a final finding that Proof Evident is present, he can appeal that finding.  The scheduling of a bond hearing shows that the bond revocation order is subject to being reversed by Lester himself, and it is faster/cheaper to go the Lester route than an appeal route.


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    Saying that the motion... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Gandydancer on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:00:23 AM EST
    ...for bail was "well taken" is arguably not adoption of any particular argument by O'Mara, but merely an agreement that Lester should exercise his discretion affirmatively to give Z bail.

    Did the 6/29 hearing have a prior purpose than bail reconsideration?

    Agreed that any action prior to 6/29 would be... unwise.

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    The purpose of the June 1 hearing (none / 0) (#74)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:19:01 AM EST
    The Court had a handful of press motions relating to public release of evidence, as well as prosecution and defense motions on the same subject.  The only planned function for the June 1 hearing was to take evidence and argument on public release of evidence.

    The prosecution filed its Motion to Revoke Bond the morning of June 1st, and Lester took evidence and argument on that subject, as well.

    I don't disagree that Lester's "well taken" remark isn't a wholesale endorsement of O'Mara's motion, but there was nothing in the April 20 hearing that suggested there was Proof Evident, nor was there anything in the prosecution's Motion to Revoke Bail that suggested there was Proof Evident.

    Looking ahead to June 29, the only stated purpose for that hearing is consideration for release on bail.  But given past practice, there is nothing to prevent the defense to move for dismissal of the charge; request an order that the state produce a Statement of Particulars; move to suppress evidence, etc.; or to prevent the prosecution from entering a motion on a subject unrelated to bail.

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    Well... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Gandydancer on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:45:05 AM EST
    I think the judge relied on the affidavit... Under Arthur, he's allowed to do that.

    Well, sort of. The relevant passage in Arthur reads:

    The state's burden, in order to foreclose bail as a matter of right, is to present some further evidence which, viewed in the light most favorable to the state, would be legally sufficient to sustain a jury verdict of guilty. [[This is the part of Arthur later rejected in favor of a stronger requirement.]]...The state can probably carry this burden by presenting the evidence relied upon by the grand jury or the state attorney in charging the crime. This evidence may be presented in the form of transcripts or affidavits. If, after considering the defendant's responsive showing, the court finds that the proof is evident or the presumption great, the court then has the discretion to grant or deny bail.

    But he's not entitled to "find that the proof is evident or the presumption great" if it isn't. And, unlike Herr, he had more than a few minutes to consider the APC -- O'Mara examined Galbreath on it. It's beyond inexcusable that he not notice that the elements of the crime are not alleged in the APC.

    Slightly OT (none / 0) (#40)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:10:25 PM EST
    FULL DOCKET

    Does this mean that we can expect the next DocDump on Monday 25th of June?

    oops (none / 0) (#41)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:12:35 PM EST
    June 27th, 2012?

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    Assuming the order is dated June 12 (none / 0) (#42)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:48 PM EST
    Yes, the parties are ordered to make the evidence public within 15 days of the date of the order.  Looking forward to reading what the order says.

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    I couln't help but to notice (none / 0) (#50)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:55:32 PM EST
    that in all of the CCP's the new ASA co-counsel or whatever position, Richard Mantei that got added on June 4th, is not listed.  Bernie e la Rionda is.

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    Order Posted (none / 0) (#47)
    by Cylinder on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:22:34 PM EST
    The order is posted here

    What we get:

    Zimmerman's statements
    Zimmerman's stress test
    W9 statement
    Any photo not actually showing Martin's body
    Already transcribed jail calls

    cc (none / 0) (#54)
    by friendofinnocence on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:48:12 PM EST
    Anyone know why copies of this went not just to O'Mara and West, but to Rachel Fugate and three lawyers at Holland and Knight?

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    Counsel for the press (none / 0) (#55)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:55:09 PM EST
    I suspect that those attorneys are counsel to the press, and will be involved in providing witness names to the court, where witnesses have already made public statements.  The court has ordered that, for example, Mary Kutcher, cannot have her name redacted from witness material, as she's already made it publicly known she;s a witness.  The way the court obtains awareness of these appearances is via the press - neither O'Mara nor the state have any interest in producing those names; and also aren't the best source for those names.

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    Lester is not making himself clear (none / 0) (#53)
    by cboldt on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:21:13 PM EST
    In fact, he is contradicting himself.  On the one hand, he says the grant of bail is an act of discretion (implying the state's case is more or less airtight); and within 30 words or so, says Defendant is entitled to bail as a matter of right (implying the defendant has evidence to rebut the state).

    When Lester tells O'Mara that O'Mara will find Zimmerman's statements to be exculpatory, that's a signal that there are material issues for trial, that the state's case is not airtight.

    So, in the context of denying bail, Lester's remark that the state's evidence is strong is a throwaway.  He doesn't say the state's evidence is strong enough to meet the standard of proof of "guilt is evident or the presumption is great," and until he finds that, or some other factor recognized in Florida law, he has no legal basis with which to deny bail.

    I do agree that his remark about strong evidence may reach outside of Zimmerman's remarks.  I would hope so!  Zimmerman's remarks are all defensive in nature; and from what SPD said publicly, none of the evidence they had contradicted Zimmerman.  The public has been patiently waiting to see the state's strong evidence.  Personally, I don't think they have it.  The state's case here is smoke, mirrors, and unreliable witnesses.

    I think you are reading too much into (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Anne on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 03:02:35 PM EST
    Lester's remark that the defense was going to find the statements exculpatory.  Lester had just finished saying that the state was claiming them to be inculpatory and, when he said the defense would find them exculpatory, he did so in what sounded to me like a version of "well, what else are they going to claim?"

    I took that not to mean the state's case was weak, but that we all know that this is how it works: state on one side, defense on the other, and there is not going to be any agreement between them as to what the evidence shows.

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    Exculpatory (none / 0) (#65)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 10:14:12 PM EST
    Lester had just finished saying that the state was claiming them to be inculpatory and, when he said the defense would find them exculpatory, he did so in what sounded to me like a version of "well, what else are they going to claim?"

    You're ignoring a key part of Lester's remark. He said that he expected the defense to claim the statements were exculpatory because he had reviewed them.  

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    I think you're reading way too much (none / 0) (#83)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:57:54 PM EST
    into his remarks, and I'm not sure this microscopic parsing of Lester's words is adding anything to the equation.

    By all means, have a ball trying to read everything from tea leaves to body language to tone of voice to choice of words, but so far, I don't think that those methods for making a lot of the predictions I see here are proving to work too well.

    You might have better luck buying a lottery ticket.

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    But if there is any exculpatory content ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by cboldt on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 08:17:06 AM EST
    -- I took that not to mean the state's case was weak, but that we all know that this is how it works: state on one side, defense on the other, and there is not going to be any agreement between them as to what the evidence shows. --

    Understood.  My point was that the legal standard of Proof Evident is not satisfied if there is a smidgen of argument against the state's case.  IOW, even if Zimmerman's defense is weak and the state's case is strong, the presence of that weak defense defeats finding Proof Evident.

    When Judge Lester concedes that O'Mara will be able to put an exculpatory shine on the evidence, he is conceding that there is not Proof Evident.  

    I've said before that I find Judge Lester to be making contradictory statements (mutually exclusive findings on a single point of law) on the record, so either side can point to something(s) and claim Judge Lester is finding on their side of the Proof Evident issue.

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    Those lawyers represent the media, (none / 0) (#57)
    by SuzieTampa on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 03:51:26 PM EST
    which wanted the information released.

    4/20 Minute Order Filed (none / 0) (#67)
    by Tamta on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:00:15 AM EST
    they have been available (none / 0) (#82)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:55:26 PM EST
    for a long time. They don't make any finding as to the state meeting its burden of proof at the Arthur hearing. Like his oral ruling, the April 20 minutes merely state the defense motion for bond was "well taken" and he grants bond. The defense motion had argued he was entitled to bond as a matter of law. So he never made a finding the state met its burden, and his grant of bond was mandatory on April 20, not discretionary as he states in his June order revoking bond.

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    I completely agree. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Tamta on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 08:26:04 PM EST
    I probably should have written something along with posting the link. Sorry.

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    Order written by prosecution? (none / 0) (#77)
    by Kyreth on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 10:03:23 AM EST
    Someone mentioned on the GZ Defense FB page that the prosecution wrote the judge's order, and the comments at the bottom were the judge's before signing it.  It was said that it was common for the person who submitted a motion that got passed to write up the order for it for the judge's signature.

    Any idea if there's truth to that? The concept was new to me.

    Who wrote the order? (none / 0) (#78)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 10:08:34 AM EST
    It's common for both parties to submit argument and a proposed order, and it's common for a judge to use huge chunks of a party's arguments in his opinion.  But opinions are, as far as I know, not written by the parties.

    The order part is usually short - a paragraph.  One can see the relationship between motions and orders by reading them.  Sometimes one will see what I described above, huge chunks of argument being adopted by the court, lock-stock-and-barrel.  In this case, the state motion for revocation of bond doesn't resemble Lester's opinion in the least.

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    Sure (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 10:22:49 AM EST
    When I worked for a county judge, she did that all the time, for both criminal and civil cases - usually after she ruled on it in court. The order was to reflect what was on the record.  Now, sometimes a party would write up the order, and she would go through it and cross things out because they would try to add stuff, but from my experience, it's common.

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    it's not common (none / 0) (#81)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:51:51 PM EST
    in criminal cases in federal court for anyone but the judge to write an order on the outcome of a contested hearing. I don't know about state court.

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    Yman Falsely Accuses Me (none / 0) (#80)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:27:07 PM EST
    Of course Lester had reviewed them, but he wasn't arguing the defense would claim they were exculpatory because he had reviewed them.

    June 1 Hearing (13:17) -

    O'Mara: We haven't said anything yet.

    Lester: I've had a chance to review them. You're gonna say they're exculpatory.



    "Falsely accuses" you? Heh (5.00 / 0) (#84)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Try reading it again, and notice the word I put in italics (that you omitted).  It might give you an idea as to my point.

    Of course Lester had reviewed them, but he wasn't arguing the defense would claim they were exculpatory because he had reviewed them.

    (Now also underlined, in case that will help.

    12:44 Lester:  Basically, what happens is, the state is saying it's an inculpatory statement, the defense is going to say it's an exculpatory statement.  I've looked at the case law, and they don't really seem to say what happens when one says it's fish and the other says it's fowl, so to speak.

    13:17  Lester:  "In this situation, the state's saying that the statements made by the defendant are inculpatory, akin to a confession, the defense is saying the statements are exculpatory in nature, correct?"

    O'Mara:  "We haven't said anything yet."

    Lester:  "I've had a chance to review them and you're going to say they're exculpatory.  I'm just letting you know, ... that's what you're going to say"

    (laughter)

    "There's not a whole lotta doubt about that, so that's what we have.  We'll just have two differing opinions."

    Judge Lester was merely pointing out the obvious - that the defense would argue Zimmerman's statements were exculpatory just as the prosecution was arguing the opposite.  He was not stating that because of his review of those statements he agreed with the defense's argument. He was merely pointing out what he expected each side would argue.

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    O'Mara's Witness List (none / 0) (#90)
    by cboldt on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:55:54 PM EST
    O'Mara has filed a witness list for the June 29 hearing.  It is two people, both of whom work for the bailbond company that issued the $150,000 bond.

    The filing indicates this is "all persons known [to Zimmerman / O'Mara] to have information which may be relevant to the defense of the pending charges."

    Interesting (none / 0) (#92)
    by bmaz on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 06:22:22 PM EST
    I do not have to file a Notice of Witnesses & Exhibits for pre-trial evidentiary hearings, much less bond hearings where I practice (and I would never dream of doing so unless compelled to).  Was there some rule compelling that in FL?

    That said, such is a pretty limited list from O'Mara.  He can obviously call GZ should he want to, but the odds of that are close to nil.  He can, however, still cross-ex and/or call as direct anybody noticed by the state I presume.

    It appears to me that O'Mara is running on a theory close to what has been discussed here - the deal was done on the bond, there is no affirmative conduct with which to revoke and it was an abuse of discretion to do so.  Bond agents are all you would need for that.

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    Legal decisions have to be justified (none / 0) (#103)
    by cboldt on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 12:52:58 PM EST
    -- "has the law wrong" (whatever that means)? --

    What I meant by that is that there is controlling legal authority to be applied to the decision before the judge.  That the judge either didn't apply the relevant authority (which can be evident in the outcome, not just by absence of citation), or he misapplied it.

    -- Was he required to explicitly rule that the state had met its burden of proof under Arthur? --

    If that's his basis for denial of bail, yes.  If he has a different basis, he is required to state what it is.  Lester has stated balancing tests and other reasons for revocation of bail, but the tests he uses to justify revocation of bail don't appear in any legal authority that I am aware of, and in some cases contradict simple logic - e.g., balancing ensurance of appearance in court (a factor to set an amount of bail) with the community's safety (a factor for denial of bail).  That test implies that a sufficiently high bail, relative to defendant's financial resources, can overcome a denial of bail for the reason that the defendant is a danger to the community.

    -- By all means, if you have a statute or case law that specifically addresses this accusation, I'd love to see it. --

    I make an effort to provide cites and links when I first state a point of view, although I don't make every post to the standard of a legal brief.