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ISIS Executioner Beheads Peter Kassig and Many More

All day Saturday, ISIS supporters were teasing the release of a new video with English translations. They finally released it sometime after midnight. It's called "Although The Disbelievers Dislike It" and is 15 1/2 minutes long. I've watched it, and will not link to it, so please don't include a link in comments. I found a copy on Daily Motion. Here's my recap:[More...]

The black clad executioner from the Foley, Sotloff, Haines and Henning videos is back. He and about 15 unmasked ISIS fighters are walking along, each holding onto a captured soldier in Bashad's army. They walk past a big box filled with knives. As the fighters walk past the box, they each grab a knife.

Then the soldiers kneel and the fighters line up behind them. I've uploaded a large photo here. The black clad executioner, in the voice we are all so familiar with, then addresses President Obama.

To Obama, the dog of Rome, today we are slaughtering the soldiers of Bashar and tomorrow we’ll be slaughtering your soldiers. With Allah’s permission we will break this final and last crusade and the Islamic State will soon like your puppet David Cameron said will begin to slaughter your people on your streets.”

Unlike the other videos, this time we see them actually beheading the soldiers, before putting their heads on their bodies.

The video moves on to announce all their new endorsements and "wilayats", and then the black clad executioner is back. There's a head on the ground in front of him. Apparently still speaking to Obama, he announces "This is Peter Edward Kassig, a citizen of your country."

He says Kassig was a U.S. soldier who fought in Iraq and doesn't have much to say (obviously, since he's dead.) He says his cellmates have already spoken for him. Then he says:

But we say to you, Obama... You claim to have withdrawn from Iraq four years ago. We said to you then that you are liars. We said you would not withdraw, and if you did, you would return.

And here you are. You are hiding behind your proxies....You will return in greater numbers than before. Your proxies will not benefit you.

He reminds Obama of a quote by Abu Musab al Zarqawi,

"The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify – by Allah's permission – until it burns the crusader armies in Dabiq"

He says,

And here we are, burying the first American crusader in Dabiq, eagerly awaiting the remainder of your armies to arrive.

The video ends with ISIS' signature closing, a fighter walking by himself holding a giant ISIS flag.

Thoughts: It's almost like Peter Kassig was a throwaway to them. They don't show him alive and don't show his killing or even his body. They only show his head at the ISIS killer's feet. The images of the 15 or so soldiers is much more indelible, due to their sheer number and the graphic beheadings and closeups of the faces of both the fighters and the soldiers.

The Daily Mail reported Saturday, quoting an unnamed Syrian source who heard via a nurse at a hospital in al Qaim, that the journalist killer's name (which she said was Jalman) was on a list of ISIS members brought to the hospital last weekend. The Mail reports that he had been severely wounded with al Baghdadi in the recent airstrikes near al Qaim, while at a retreat where ISIS leaders were meeting with tribal leaders (not the strike on Mosul, where the same day the U.S. said it struck a convoy of ISIS fighters). As I wrote here, there were reports of many civilians being killed at a market during the al Qaim strike, including women and children, and the U.S. denied denied targeting ISIS fighters in al Qaim, and said it struck a convoy near Mosul, and then gave conflicting accounts.)

The Mail says the ISIS killer was treated at a local hospital, and then left with al Baghdadi and they drove 200 miles to Raqqa in Syria where they were treated at the old headquarters for the Syrian 17th Division and 93rd Brigade. They say he is a higher up in ISIS, not just a British recruit. And that he is the leader of their new Euphrates (al furat) wilayat which was announced in mid-September. He is believed to serve on the Shura council for Al Furat. The Mail identifies him as Jalman Al-Britani, but no one has ever mentioned that name before and even Google has no record of him. He reportedly lives in Al Bukamal, not Raqqa.

He is aged between 28 and 31, and is fluent in English, Arabic and classical Arabic, the language of the Koran, according to our source. He first joined IS in Iraq when he left the UK, but then moved to Syria....The source said that Jihadi John usually travels in a black Audi jeep, and he has six other British terrorists with him who act as his bodyguards.

The Mail says it has seen a copy of an Iraqi intelligence report from the Federal Intelligence and Investigation unit of the Ministry of Interior, on the al Qaim meeting:

The document said that Al-Baghdadi was wearing black and first went to a kindergarten building before going to have lunch at an IS leader’s house. It is believed that the air strikes took place when he was meeting the other leaders in a bunker beneath that property.

The article also quotes an Anbar official who confirms:

There were lots of women and children that were killed on Saturday during the air strikes.

Here's the Iraqi list of who was killed (not wounded) at al Qaim.

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    and I wonder why (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 11:25:26 AM EST
    we just don't let them have their Caliphate state (if they don't first die out fighting the other groups there) and just stay out of it.

    According to the Recent Frontline Program on Isis (none / 0) (#12)
    by RickyJim on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 03:57:59 PM EST
    US oil companies have a $1T! investment in Kurdistan.  I suppose the motivation of the administration is to protect that

    Parent
    If we could be sure of their defeat... (none / 0) (#13)
    by unitron on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 10:25:06 PM EST
    ...I'd be happy to leave it to their fellow Muslims/Arabs/Middle East residents to exterminate them instead of sacrificing yet more of our troops and money on the altar of Mars.

    But should they prevail, I don't see them controlling a large chunk of the Middle East, with or without oil wells, as being good for global stability.

    They like cutting off heads.

    They like subjugating women.

    They like imposing their will on others.

    They haven't respected any borders so far, I don't expect them to start doing so.

    Parent

    Our friends... (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 08:22:29 PM EST
    They like cutting off heads.

    They like subjugating women.

    These qualities don't seem to excite anyone in government when it comes to Saudi Arabia.

    Talk about lopping off heads...

    Parent

    At least with the Saudi government... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by unitron on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 03:55:15 AM EST
    ...beheading is a punishment for "wrongdoing" that follows a process with at least a vague resemblance to due process.

    With ISIS/ISIL/whatever, it's more like "We grabbed somebody defenseless and now we're going to psychologically torture them and their loved ones with the threat of beheading until we get around to the actual beheading" for no real reason other than sadism and sensationalism in service to recruitment.

    The Saudis, regardless of how much one approves or disapproves of what they do, seem content to remain within their own borders and run their own country how they see fit without a whole lot of going anywhere else and trying to cram it down someone else's throat.

    Parent

    The Influence of Saudi Culture is Widespread (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by RickyJim on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 08:19:54 AM EST
    The Saudis, regardless of how much one approves or disapproves of what they do, seem content to remain within their own borders and run their own country how they see fit without a whole lot of going anywhere else and trying to cram it down someone else's throat.

    You obviously are referring to the Saudi government.  But the danger comes from the bin Ladens, 16 of the 9/11 hijackers, ISIS, madrasses in Pakistan, all of which are Saudi nationals or follow the Wahabi theology of Saudi Arabia or are financed by individual Saudis.

    Parent

    Of course... (none / 0) (#50)
    by unitron on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 11:18:18 PM EST
    ...I'm talking about their government, because that's who lentinel was trying to equate to ISIS/ISIL in answer to my post in answer to Jeralyn's post.

    Parent
    Agendas. (4.00 / 3) (#36)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 04:28:20 AM EST
    The Saudis, regardless of how much one approves or disapproves of what they do, seem content to remain within their own borders and run their own country how they see fit without a whole lot of going anywhere else and trying to cram it down someone else's throat.

    They only cram it down the throats of their own people...?
    After a "process with at least a vague resemblance to due process"... ?

    This makes them good enough for us?

    Less expensive oil may have something to do with our cozy relationship with some, and not so cozy with others.

    ISIS is attempting, through extremely brutal means, to establish a State - in which case, if successful, would cram similar sh-t down their own peoples throats. They're even about to issue their own fking currency... ooof.

    None of this makes anything right about what ISIS is doing --- but the rampant hypocrisy from the administration about the rationale for making war against ISIS is maddening.

    When they lop off a head, it's "pure evil".
    When we incinerate the collaterals, it's not really all that evil... a little evil. Half and half...

    Parent

    Throwaway? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by toggle on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 11:27:00 AM EST
    Did they not do a video of Kassig because they didn't want to, or because he wouldn't cooperate?

    good question (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 11:29:44 AM EST
    I'll see if I can find the answer.


    Parent
    I read yesterday (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 09:02:53 AM EST
    that since he had converted he was possibly praying to Allah at the time of his death and they might not want put that image on video.

    But hadn't some of the other victims converted?

    Parent

    He converted before he was even kidnapped (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 11:01:31 AM EST
    He did not convert in captivity, he had done so when he was actively an aid worker.  Killing him for being an enemy and non-believer....shaking my head

    Parent
    Peter Kassig's family seems to be at as much (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 10:59:38 AM EST
    Peace at this time as any parents could be facing their son's murder.  It seems his last letter to them helped, that if he went down he served a worthy cause.  In his CNN interview he spoke of bringing aid to those in Syria who had lost all hope.  What a fine man, the finest!  I am inspired by him and his parents today.  And no murderers will ever be able to take that away.  In fact, they have only locked it in deeper and harder.  Everyone dies, but not everyone lives!

    Kassig was 26 years old, (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 12:22:57 PM EST
    the same age range as our own kids. My thoughts keep returning to that place.

    Parent
    Yes. (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 01:22:35 PM EST
    Our kids are about 10 years older than that, but still.
    My heart goes out to his parents and family.
    There is no pain like that of losing a child.
    May his family have peace.

    Parent
    Because my siblings were killed when they (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 02:57:35 PM EST
    Were children, death has always been something I was keenly aware of, and inevitable.  I guess because I have been close to people who never really had a chance to live, and because I experienced that death can happen to those who it shouldn't happen to, how I live has been a big focus. Sometimes it is the only choice people get to make, in the end it will be one of a handful of things people will remember about me/us.

    He is the same age as my oldest.  He really knew who he was though and what he was and will remain to be about.  Some people never figure that out.  And ISIL can't take that away from him or his family or anyone who appreciates him.

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    MT, I don't know the story (5.00 / 6) (#25)
    by sj on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 03:29:42 PM EST
    of your siblings, and I'm not asking to hear it now. I only want to say that I am so very sorry for whatever happened to your family.

    It is nearly ten years since I lost my mom and my brother in a car accident and even now sometimes that grief is so fresh I can barely breathe.

    Peace to you and yours.

    Parent

    ::shrug:: (none / 0) (#24)
    by sj on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 03:25:31 PM EST
    Were it my son, I would also strive for balance and the feeling of solid ground. And, in my grief, not give two sh!ts about whether or not I "inspired" anybody.

    In fact, I expect I would feel that someone being "inspired" by anything related to the death of my son to be presumptuous in the extreme. Maybe in a year a declaration like that would be a comfort.

    But that's me. Mayhap his parents are more evolved than I.

    I'm not inspired at all. I wish them peace, and cannot bear the pain of just imagining myself in their shoes.

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    Kurdistan and Israel (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by thomas rogan on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 10:28:06 PM EST
    We have two sure friends in the middle east, two countries where women are allowed mostly equality and even fight in the armed forces.  Two largely secular and fairly democratic countries.  Why exactly wouldn't we help these two countries against terrorist threats such as ISIL or HAMAS?  What would the state of abortion rights/gay rights/women's rights/press freedom be in a country run by ISIL or HAMAS?  Has Nixonian/Kissengerian realpolitic infected everyone here?

    Devolved humanity on full display (4.60 / 5) (#9)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 01:46:56 PM EST
    Humans incapable of loving anyone or anything but their own psychotic Ids. All brought to you by the vacuum created by Dubya and his similarly psychotic bunch of neoconartists. The Dems certainly rolled with the tide of fear and lies, provided not a whit of anything a supposedly great free nation's opposition party should, and now we'll be mired in this murder machine business until we are pushing up daisies, which, on the bright side, might grow big as sunflowers in a climate-changed hothouse world.  

    You and lentinel are in agreement but (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 09:19:42 AM EST
    you are such a good writer the image evoked will stay with me.

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    "a big box filled with knives" (4.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 08:57:42 AM EST
    There's a slim chance that those weren't supplied by American taxpayer largesse.  A slim chance.


    Far more likely (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by toggle on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 02:10:05 PM EST
    That they were bought with the hundreds of millions European governments have paid out in ransoms.


    Parent
    There are plenty of stock (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 03:11:25 PM EST
    portfolios bulging with knives and guns and cluster bombs..

    And plenty of terminally alienated economist/Asberger cases who'll swear to you that that's just marvelous for the economy.

    Parent

    Whenever (none / 0) (#33)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 08:35:09 PM EST
    I see weird scores like (4.00 / 3) -- I can safely predict that Jack203 with his peculiar habit of dropping ones and twos has been by.

    He never seems to have anything to say.
    Just leaves droppings and disappears.

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    All I can (4.00 / 3) (#2)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 09:27:37 AM EST
    think of when I read of these horrors is that GWBush and his enablers in both parties and in the media are responsible for subjecting us to this nightmare.

    He, Bush, should be in a SuperMax someplace.

    I wish we had a government that would have turned its back on Bushism instead of embracing it.

    How are minds work... (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by christinep on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 10:20:35 AM EST
    And, all I can think of is the repulsive, ugly, stomach-turning, heinous acts of ISIS.  If anyone really has any interest in solutions in any situation, it is not by displaying with lust chopped-off heads.  Maybe that bunch from H#ll will take up putting the heads on spikes lining the roads so that all can "fear" them or public-disemboweling or drawing & quartering ... back to days medieval or before.

    lentinel: I am aware that killing is killing ... it always has been. There are wars, there are conflicts ... there shouldn't be or there should be much less than there are.  Even tho there is definitely repugnance in the level of killing all the so-called civil societies have engaged in over time, there is no way--absolutely no way--that the nadir of humanity that ISIS represents has a mote of reason, justification, or "because of" demented thinking.

    Recognizing also that people react very differently on a personal level, here is where I am:  Simply put--as I sit here typing & shaking with anger--a basic component of my belief system has shifted a bit.  That is: Ever since I can remember--as a small child watching grainy film of the Rosenbergs at the time they were executed & asking family members what was that about and, for some unexplainable, deep feeling, crying--I have so opposed the death penalty that it never occurred to me that anything would ever change my mind/feelings.  So: Whether I squish the ISIS images of ultimate human depravity down inside, I cannot escape the present feeling welling inside that such threats to any definition of humanity should be "blown to kingdom come."  I pray that myself will reflect more deeply on this matter at a later time ... but, for now, no sugar-coating nor distancing of feeling nor political correctness nor false equivalencies to conflicts among nations ... this defines depravity.

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    What they're doing is no more (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 02:51:47 PM EST
    stomach-churning than what occurs in any other war. We, or should I say our CIA, had hired mercenaries beheading people in Vietnam; in Guatamala and El Salvador, School of the The Americas-trained death squads left the heads of the members of peasant families at each one's place at the dinner table - to get the word out that this is what happens to those who involve themselves in revolutionary movements.

    In the words of William Shakespeare, wake the f*ck up.

     

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    There is a difference, jondee (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by christinep on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 03:49:10 PM EST
    The glorification of desecrating a human body -- via ceremony & video-- is a marked difference from the agony, deaths, and destruction of war.

    I do not intend to get into a discussion about which form of death & destruction is a lesser evil.  All are.  This is another level ... lauding, bragging, showing off death. It translates as an enjoyment in the process of killing.

    Let me suggest that you wake up ... wake up from confusing philosophies, looking for justifications, and striving for "oh-buts" to allow escape from individual responsibility. Remember that, after WWII, it wasn't just the biggest authority that was held responsible...a key conclusion is that soldiers would be held responsible and accountable for individual atrocities. See also My Lai massacre during the Vietnam war.  Contrary to your conclusion, I am very awake ... I wish that your alarm clock would ring as well.

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    While (4.00 / 3) (#8)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 12:14:47 PM EST
    I am sympathetic to your generalizations about war and death and demented thinking and the like... I am responding very specifically to the atrocities being currently committed by ISIS - with  a little help from their silent and symbiotic associates - us.

    I wrote a post here about a month ago talking about how time was running out for Peter Kassig - and hoping that someone in our government would make daily public references to his plight - to bring it front and center to the world.

    Not one peep from our government for Mr. Kassig.
    How abandoned Mr. Kassig must have felt.

    And specific to this nightmare is the fact that we invaded Iraq - disbanded its army and killed its president. The destabilization that has followed was predicted by everyone who saw objectively what Bush was up to.

    And we and our fellow citizens are reaping the whirlwind as we consistently refuse to acknowledge our mistakes and the excesses and perfidy of our elected leaders and representatives.

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    No one other than ISIS put the knife to (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by christinep on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 03:17:18 PM EST
    the throat.  Cut the bull, lentinel .... It is one thing to make philosophical arguments about how the world started or, more specifically, what led to this.  One thing that is undeniable: Those beheaded--those whose bodies were desecrated, maimed, cut open--were rendered & killed that way by the beheaders, by ISIS.

    Trying to make everything bad that occurs in the world the product of the US is outlandish. You must know it.  Your words minimize the direct harm done by anyone outside the US and, more predictably, accuse the US so constantly that your practice would put the-boy-who-cried-wolf to shame ... a constant refrain such as you have carried on not only doesn't persuade, but that kind of rote drumbeat reinforces disagreement.  In many ways, the overreach and the stretch to make everything fit into your particular brand of alienation is not unlike the far right bunch where it seems de rigeur to ascribe the end of the world to Obama.

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    Agree so much (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 10:52:25 AM EST
    We are not omnipotent in the creation of the world's evil, nor are we omnipotent in the creation of the world's good, nor will we ever be.

    Everyday we are at choice, every single one of us.

    Parent

    Definitely agree with this (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by sj on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 02:49:55 PM EST
    Trying to make everything bad that occurs in the world the product of the US is outlandish.
    That's true. Unequivocally.

    But  the other side of that coin -- ignoring or minimizing the effects of US actions is just as outlandish.

    There is no one-sided issue. And your barely-concealed, constant accusations of ... disloyalty, or whatever you want to call the opposite of your unbridled nationalism... somehow never takes that into account.

    Parent

    Maybe you are projecting, sj (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by christinep on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 03:30:34 PM EST
    I am not concealing anything here ... Your second paragraph can be based only on your own projection. Kindly don't make up my motives ... if you don't like what I have to say, deal with the issue rather than fruitlessly trying to impugn character. In no way does my revulsion about the human desecrations committed by ISIS/ISIL say anything about minimization of anything. Their beheading acts & other brutal, direct human killings cannot be justified ... period.  This isn't about philosophy; it is about depravity.

    Frankly, sj ... whatever your issue is, I wish that you would deal with it.  Since I don't even know you, it does not make sense that I would be the cause of your anger ... so, stop spewing it at me.  You have no idea about the actions I have taken over the years in support of peace, diplomacy, and resolution without war.  The only "nationalism that I know is that I am privileged to be a citizen of a nation ... a nation that sometimes gets it right internationally and sometimes gets it wrong.  

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    spewing? anger? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by sj on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 06:42:08 PM EST
    Really? I think you must be projecting because I am simply observing.

    I reserve my anger for those who have perpetrated these acts and those who have created the conditions that brought them into being.

    I was going to use the term "to fruition" but then realized that no matter how badly someone behaves, or in what inappropriately depraved way they channel their anger and self-righteousness -- it could always be worse and go further.

    I direct my compassion to the fallen -- those broken in spirit or body -- and to the families of the fallen.

    For you I have only... oy.

    Parent

    And, I use the Polish expression (none / 0) (#30)
    by christinep on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 06:55:35 PM EST
    transliterated as "yego!" in response and in keeping with the sentiment. G'night.  

    Parent
    I am expressing an opinion. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 08:28:15 PM EST
    It is not "bull", as you saw fit to characterize it.

    It is an opinion.

    You don't agree with it.

    Fine.

    Parent

    Oh, there you go again...I can almost (4.25 / 4) (#37)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 06:40:52 AM EST
    hear the swell of stirring patriotic music as you once again beat back the forces that dare to suggest that the US ever, EVER, does anything for which there are negative consequences.

    Seems to me that choosing to focus on lentinel's criticism or questioning is a way to avoid having to consider the cumulative effect of US policies and actions, particularly in the years since the 9/11 attacks.

    For someone who excels at near-Olympic levels of gymnastic contortion trying to explain and justify why everything the US does is either good, well-intentioned or so masterfully 11-dimensional that we mere mortals cannot comprehend its brilliance (assuming there were Democrats involved, of course), your irritation with those you deem to be negatively one-note is really kind of amusing.

    And it has me wondering one thing: are you warming up for an entry in Bulwer Lytton?

    Parent

    Lots of Drama Kings and Queens in this thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 06:51:38 AM EST
    Although Anne isn't one of them.

    Parent
    Disagree. Quite dramatic. (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 08:09:17 AM EST
    Ten more syllables and you'd have (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 08:48:26 AM EST
    yourself a haiku...

    Gratuitous words
    Saying less and pushing more
    Talk about drama


    Parent

    First try: (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 07:30:08 PM EST
    Too cryptic is bad,
    as is verbiousity.
    Better to abstain.

    Parent
    Hmmmm. "Verbiousity" isn't actually (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 07:36:32 PM EST
    a word. Substitute "magniloquence."

    Parent
    If you're sticking with "as is" to (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 09:08:10 AM EST
    lead off your second line, you need 5 more syllables, and "magniloquence" only has 4.

    "And also magniloquence" works in terms of form, but may not appeal to you on substance.

    Or you could go with, "And also verbosity."

    Parent

    So I'm thinking that you're suggesting (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 04:33:41 PM EST
    "Too cryptic is bad,
    And also verbosity.
    Better to abstain."

    Works well.

    Parent

    So... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 04:59:24 PM EST
    "I think you've got it.
    But, I might be mistaken.
    Should I have refrained?"

    Parent
    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 05:04:41 PM EST
    Love this one, Angel.   ;-)
    No, never refrain.

    Parent
    Heh...ode to reconstructionist. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 05:08:54 PM EST
    "My mind is so closed.
    It has never been open.
    And never will be."

    Parent
    But "magniloquence" is such a (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 09:23:49 PM EST
    wonderful word. If ever I get the chance to spring that on Words With Friends!!!

    Parent
    The best part is that if you remarked on (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 20, 2014 at 03:26:31 PM EST
    someone's magniloquence, they'd likely feel complimented.

    But we'd know better.

    Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode - The Hamptons - the one where the gang goes out to Long Island to see "the bay-bee!" and the pediatrician - also a guest - uses the word "breathtaking" to describe everything, including Elaine.  She's feeling pretty special until she sees the baby, who apparently isn't exactly of the Gerber variety, and realizes that the doc has called the baby "breathtaking," too.

    That's the episode that gave us "shrinkage," "Yo Yo Ma...Boutros Boutros Galli," and other classic lines.



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    When I am too feebleo travel, I (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 20, 2014 at 09:31:03 PM EST
    plan to watch every episode of Seinfeld.

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    Yes, it's a great word (none / 0) (#58)
    by Zorba on Thu Nov 20, 2014 at 02:37:58 PM EST
    It's definitely going into my "mental word bank" so that I can pull it out at appropriate occasions.
    I do know a few people who are prone to this.   ;-)

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    The issues, yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 08:17:55 AM EST
    otherwise they remind me of the characters on the soaps my wife watches, or the cast of "Mama's Family" fighting over what movie they're going to see on a Friday night.

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    All nation's policies have cumulative affects (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 08:28:50 AM EST
    Though, not just ours.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#46)
    by sj on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 11:32:14 AM EST
    All nation's policies have cumulative affects (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 07:28:50 AM MDT

    Though, not just ours.

    So much more is interrelated than people want to admit. But the influence of a smaller, poor nation can hardly compare.

    Even so, that smaller influence cannot be denied. Which is why I am amazed when some try to deny or diminish the ramifications of US policies past or present.

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    Painting with a very broad brush (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 04:18:40 PM EST
    That all other nations are poor and weak.  There is like this giant brush that too many paint with that paints only in one direction, we are responsible for all the ills and evils in this world one way or another.  It's like playing six degrees until it's the fault of the United States in general and always has been.

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    Wev (none / 0) (#52)
    by sj on Wed Nov 19, 2014 at 01:20:31 PM EST
    My brush is no broader than yours when you implied that only the US policy is blamed for having influence.

    You can read the comment askew if you wish. Or you can read it for content. I don't care which.

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    Jeralyn, we must not (1.50 / 2) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 16, 2014 at 11:32:28 AM EST
    because they will just kill more and more. And they will not be satisfied with just "their Caliphate state."

    They truly believe they can have it all.

    Well, you can at least (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 17, 2014 at 03:19:56 PM EST
    admire them for not being pacifists.

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