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    my thoughts & prayers (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:47:42 PM EST
    are with the legal offices of MSNBC & CNN

    Thoughts and prayers? (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by FlJoe on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:23:30 PM EST
    Those legal eagles are high fiving right now, just got their meal ticket punched for years to come. They will probably get hammered in court, but it's a steady paycheck.

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    This is interesting (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:57:13 PM EST
    Landlord says he didn't allow media into San Bernardino shooters' apartment: 'they rushed'

    CYA?

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    i have no trouble believing that (none / 0) (#9)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:03:55 PM EST
    although i have seen rumors of the FBI announcing they were finished with the crime scene - i do have trouble believing that, & not just because the FBI often defies belief

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    I (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:44:33 PM EST
    Find it impossible that the LEO was in any done with this scene within 48 hours of the onset. I would have expected them to be more diligent this, I mean wtf, leaving random id cards behind makes no sense at all.

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    And (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:06:57 PM EST
    Even if the FBI was done there's the whole showing the drivers liscense and social security cards of people who are not even suspects thing.

    I join you in offering thoughts and prayers.   I have MSNBC on now.  They are not re running that video.


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    But in the Age of the Internet... (none / 0) (#15)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:18:34 PM EST
    ...it's on Youtube until the lawyers make them yank it.

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    I'm thinkin (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:21:15 PM EST
    That ship has sailed.   It's probably stored in 10,000 hard drives by now.

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    No Dount, Will Probably Make the News Tonight (none / 0) (#20)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:31:17 PM EST
    But if it's evidence in an FBI investigation it will very hard to find next week.

    What happens when the news become the news.

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    The Feds or the lawyers (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:06:18 PM EST
    might be able to get the video clips removed from YouTube or wherever, but if a lot of people have stored them on their own computers, they will no doubt keep popping up.
    Stomp out a few sparks, but others keep appearing.

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    It is not a rumor to me, I saw it myself in (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:43:24 PM EST
    the press conference this afternoon. The FBI spokesman said directly in response to a question about the press being at the house earlier that they had completed their work there and he basically did not care what happened at the house anymore. Not his concern.

    I have no comment on what that says about their thoroughness, but the press was not encroaching on any ongoing police activity.

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    Or... (none / 0) (#11)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:06:39 PM EST
    ...he realized the space isn't his to allow visitors after the FBI and the deceased lawyers called informed him.

    The good news, it's all on video in case anyone has any questions about how responsible the the press acted.

    I did not see anyone objecting to them being there, but then again, that bunch looked like they were taking 'no' for an answer.

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    Damn (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:24:22 PM EST
    Deceased lawyers get to make phone calls? Law school teaches great stuff.

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    Matt Gutman (none / 0) (#44)
    by Redbrow on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:14:10 PM EST
    Led the charge. I saw footage him helping the lamdlord remove screws and wood panels from the boarded up entrance.

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    If it is true (none / 0) (#14)
    by Redbrow on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:17:01 PM EST
    That reporters rushed into an active crime scene without expicit permission then they should prosecuted to the fullest extant.

    The neighbors reported seeing many middle eastern men coming and going and now any physical evidenc like fingerprints or hair left behimd have beem severely compromised.

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    Omg, you saw it live too, right? He let them right (none / 0) (#79)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:53:05 PM EST
    in. Took down the plywood for them.

    I can't with this.

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    I just sent NETFLIX (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:27:43 PM EST
    An angry email because they screwed up and for some reason sent me a movie way down on my list instead the next installment of LOST.

    Jonesing now.  

    I bought (none / 0) (#64)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 08:45:34 PM EST
    The Skystreamx Android box 2 days ago that i was contemplating for a while, a Android TV Box. Sale price of $99, plus another $20 for keyboard, couldn't resist

    A lot to learn , has so many Apps.
    Believe I can stream any movie, Cable TV series, without another fee. Netflix, HBO, Showtime shows, all seasons , I think

    Uses KODI as one of its interfaces, and Genesis as a player app. Research both if you might be interested, this thing is made for someone with your appetite for TV and movies.

    And that just scratches the surface of what it can stream. I will have a long learning curve.

    It is deficient , I think , in sports programming, meaning I may not be fully able to cut the cable, but for the quantity of movies and shows alone, it is worth it.


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    Currently (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:10:38 PM EST
    I can not stream.   I have a sat internet connection that limits downloads.
    That is changing.  The reason I have that is until now there has been no digital cable available and the DSL really sucked.   So I got this.
    Digital cable is now available, it just happened this summer, and my service agreement is over with EXCEDE in a month or two so I am dumping it and getting digital cable.   I can't wait.

    I will investigate this.

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    You Have the Apps... (none / 0) (#145)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 08:58:32 AM EST
    ...but you have to pay for each service.  Depending on the channel, either a monthly fee or a la carte.  There are free channels, but like network, plagued with commercial.

    No different than a several others, Like Apple TV, Amazon, and Roku.  It just puts all your paid services into one program.

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    Actually, NO (none / 0) (#157)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 04:43:23 PM EST
    I don't have to. I pay NO SERVICE fees for NETFLIX, HBO, Showtime, yet those programs, once streamed , I have access to.
    Not expensive either, I might just keep the same cable package for a while, for sports. Looking to downgrade to basic service eventually, maybe save $60 to $100 monthly

    I have the box, I click on Game of Thrones, any season, any episode.
    Do not need HBO.

    The box advertises, never pay another subscriber fee,

    And so far, I have had the box for 1 week, as advertised.
    I do believe this is designed for kids though, being from a different generation, I would have appreciated some manuals on the apps, their capabilities, what is on them.
    I guess they just get on the bike and ride, lol.
    I have found some insights by googling KODI, and the other APPS available

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    Hmm, so how does HBO get paid? or Netflix? (none / 0) (#161)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 05:55:36 PM EST
    I (none / 0) (#167)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 08:25:57 PM EST
    Don't know

    Bought the box off Amazon Prime 1 week ago.+

    It is all new to me.

    The IT guy at work bought it several months ago, when the price dropped last Monday I bought, figured a $99 loss if it didn't work.

    So far, so good

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    So You Are Stealing It... (none / 0) (#169)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Dec 08, 2015 at 10:26:50 AM EST
    ...I mean seriously, the idea that you think its free is funny, I am positive Netflix and HBO would disagree, as well as the Feds.

    It's modified, like Chromecast, to connect to black sites and get content for free.

    Probably not a good idea to boast about it on the internets.

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    It is not a big secret (none / 0) (#170)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Dec 08, 2015 at 04:47:10 PM EST
    The company openly advertises the product, Skystreamx Android, I do not think someone posting on a blog regarding their product is worrysome, they post consumer reviews of the product all over the place.
     

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    Today's CNN National Poll (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:52:16 PM EST
    Trump   36
    Cruz     16
    Carson  14
    Rubio    12
    Christie  4
    Bush      3

    And in one of the best lines I heard today...Bush, while fading, is still slightly ahead of low fat milk.

    It is (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by lentinel on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:08:33 PM EST
    somewhat pleasant to see Bush in the cellar, or sewer, where he belongs.

    I see this as a two-fer.

    He deserves it on his own, of course, but it is also the only way the American people can express their contempt for his disgusting older brother.

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    I was kind of (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:18:50 PM EST
    hoping they nominated him so we all would have a chance to give him a slap in the face for his brother.

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    Bad numbers? (none / 0) (#125)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 05:43:37 PM EST
    pleasant to see Bush in the cellar, or sewer, where he belongs.

    As someone pointed out, at 3% he's barely ahead of skim milk.

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    The even more striking numbers (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:02:57 PM EST
    In that poll I thought was the "who will best handle X"

    And the who is most likely to win the general election.  Trump 52%..  Rubio second at 15%


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    From The Atlantic (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by NYShooter on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:55:21 PM EST
    "What the Hell Just Happened on MSNBC and CNN?"

    The Atlantic
    LINK

    "A baffling, surreal scene just played out on the two networks, where the landlord of the San Bernardino shooting suspects apparently allowed reporters into their apartment.

    The result was disturbing. On live national television, reporters sifted through the remains of the lives of Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik. They picked over children's toys. They held up photos, speculating about whether the woman depicted in one might be Malik. They displayed Social Security cards and driver's licenses with readily identifiable information--and not just for the deceased suspects:

    As if the journalistic irresponsibility of baselessly speculating while holding up images of potentially innocent people on TV wasn't bad enough, it beggars belief the scene wasn't taped off and guarded. Reporters were given free rein to walk through an apartment that is an important part of the investigation, and they were allowed to handle what one would expect to be evidence. Police didn't appear to know the media tour was going on. Brian Ries of Mashable reports:

    However, an NBC spokeswoman said the tour was approved by the FBI:

    Senator Lindsey Graham, appearing on MSNBC via phone just as the network cut away from the footage, expressed astonishment that reporters were being allowed into the scene. Shocked reporters expressed revulsion on Twitter.

    How did law enforcement fail to secure the apartment? What were the networks thinking? This seems like a pair of major institutional failures."


    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:21:25 PM EST
    with that article 100%. I guess it is a good thing that the suspects are dead since with all them rifling through their stuff there's no telling what kind of evidence they could have messed up. As it is now they probably have killed any chance of getting any more information.

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    another site (none / 0) (#57)
    by ding7777 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:58:42 PM EST
    is suggesting that the FBI did allow the media to rummage on live tv to see if it generates any "concern chatter"

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    My reaction was (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by KeysDan on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 02:31:52 PM EST
    that the opportunity for the media to rifle through the Farook's apartment was deliberate--to demystify and humiliate the shooters if they are being held up as martyrs to the cause, whatever that is.   This idea was reinforced by the widespread photo coverage of Mrs. Farook's face--even the male members of the family had never seen her face uncovered.

    The FBI said they completed the investigation of the house (not the garage) and, in accord with law, left a list of items taken, and turned the premises back to the owner.  The circus was inevitable and, maybe, expected.

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    ok (none / 0) (#59)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 07:05:46 PM EST
    i just knew there was some kind of conspiracy

    seriously

    glad to hear that this might be it

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    Can't believe you all missed this: (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:28:59 PM EST
    George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012, has been suspended from Twitter.

    Twitter took down Zimmerman's account, @TherealGeorgeZ, on Thursday after multiple sources report he posted topless photos of a woman he said was his ex-girlfriend, and shared what he claimed were her email address and phone number.

    "She cheated on me with a dirty Muslim," Zimmerman wrote in one tweet. "She'll sleep with anyone."



    Link

    Prince of a guy, that George.

    "She'll sleep with anyone." (5.00 / 5) (#78)
    by NYShooter on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:45:29 PM EST
    She slept with George, so, at least he told the truth.

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    Except in this instance (none / 0) (#113)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 02:37:46 PM EST
    he actually meant sleep. Albeit, with one eye open.

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    I saw the story but initially didn't (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 07:52:18 AM EST
    Read it. Nothing abusive about George though

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    Let's Hope She Cheated with a Guy... (none / 0) (#146)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 09:06:12 AM EST
    ...that didn't like to shower or we might be lead to believe Zimmerman is a racist.

    Along those lines, a guy that ran a website dedicated to revenge porn got 18 years.

    The sexually explicit material, primarily of women, was routinely posted by angry former boyfriends and ex-husbands, authorities said. It contained their real names and links to their Facebook profiles.

    Bollaert created a second website that solicited payments of $250 to $350 from people who wanted to have the photographs deleted. Bollaert made about $30,000 on that site, the attorney general's office said.



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    USAF short on bombs (none / 0) (#1)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:26:38 PM EST
    the news says that the usaf has dropped so many bombs on isis that they are getting short on bombs.

    Supposedly they have dropped 20,000 bombs on ISIS.

    This leads to a bit of a question  . . .

    ISIS supposedly has about 30,000 active fighters, but maybe it is only 15K or 20K.  

    Supposedly . . . maybe . . . we have just dropped bombs on nearly empty buildings?  I mean, if each bomb were to kill at least 5 people, then, that would mean having killed 100,000 people, either fighters or civilians . . .

    If I were a reporter at the next wh press conference, my question is going to be where have all the 20,000 and some bombs gone, if they did not kill 100,000 ISIS fighters?

    Do they even have as many as 10,000 buildings?

    Or, have they been doing something else supposedly useful with their 20,000 bombs?

    i heard about a bomb factory in Redlands, CA (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:53:25 PM EST
    it has some surplus matériel

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    I bet it was just (none / 0) (#51)
    by Redbrow on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:39:03 PM EST
    A muslim clock rehousing factory run by a misunderstood "genius".

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    you are alluding (none / 0) (#58)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 07:04:15 PM EST
    to the young man who was named CAIR'S Muslim of the Year

    look, i don't even begin to understand that cluster

    from my limited knowledge of the case, i have gleaned that a Muslim kid was briefly locked up for a dumb stunt that would have not come back to bite the butt of a white kid (well, unless the white kid looked like one of the Columbine shooters), & then adults got involved & opportunism has reigned ever since, from the halls of middle school to the shores of Dubai & back

    to say more, i would have to discuss CAIR, something i am unwilling to do at this site, since my only role in connection with that topic would inevitably be seen as that of troll, & trolling, actual or perceived, is not permitted here

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    would it help . . . (none / 0) (#127)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 05:54:50 PM EST
    Although I am politically different from most of the persons who post here . . .

    and although it appears that some of my posts and/or my walking at Greenlake in Seattle in undies is also agitating to one or more persons here . . . and so is an occasional reference by me to caning . . . and maybe is my occasional comment on the Seattle city anti-voyeurism law  . . .

    and though I have been accused of trolling and/or  and/or humor trolling .. . .

    my major "action" has been taken against me, other than to ask that I not post much on a certain 1st amendment topic . . . and I have been asked to not post overwhelmingly so as to not blog-flood or blog-crowd or whatever it is.

    So, saying that the US should or should take in refugees or that 1/4 or more of mosques are radicalizing hubs or agents in league with the MB . . . seems to be a reasonable possibility . . . and so is the situation in which I passionately wonder about a certain liberal lawmaker-guiding lawyer who wants to know what the KKK has to do with blacks defending themselves or protestors with guns and gun control.


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    When you look into the abyss long enough (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:41:49 PM EST
    it looks into you

    In a seven-page confidential memo that imagines Trump as the party's presidential nominee, the head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee urges candidates to adopt many of Trump's tactics, issues and approaches -- right down to adjusting the way they dress and how they use Twitter.



    including outré comb-over/-forward/-around? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:05:47 PM EST
    Gawd (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:09:44 PM EST
    I see not-very-Breitbart (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:38:57 PM EST
    is going full bore behind Trump now..

    Good, I say.

    More proof that the hard-right suffocating on the fumes of their own stupidity..

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    It's really (5.00 / 6) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:35:13 PM EST
    getting beyond mockery now. This is not a not in any way a joke any more.

    We are witnessing the rise of a very dark political energy in this country, a very dangerous animal that feeds on hatred, fear and demagoguery. The Republicans have truly lost control of the monster and it is loose upon the land.

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    We are (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:40:37 PM EST
    And they have.   That said the reason they are sh!tting bricks is because they know he will lose in a spectacular landslide.

    And jondee I disagree.   More and more that are coming to grips with the fact that this is happening.

    As evidence, take the aborted recent plan to launch a massive attack on Donald.    The Kochs and others thought better of it.   Why, because they think they would not only almost certainly lose but it could very well backfire and push his poll numbers even higher.


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    And (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:51:18 PM EST
    I would optimistically add that after that spectacular loss it might just be possible for the sane wing of the Republican Party to scrape this sh!t off its shoe and reorganize itself into something that might resemble a nationally competitive party.


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    with the required caveat: (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by NYShooter on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:33:28 PM EST
    Most breathlessly told, extreme predictions usually turn out wrong..........

    I agree with you, and, I've read quite a lot about the phenomenon you've been expounding here.

    Namely, due to the way the system is organized,  a small minority (the most extreme, ultra-right,  lowest intellect, least informed, most alienated, and, most bigoted.........The Tribalists) of a small minority (Primary voters as a group) can result in a buffoon like Trump walking away with the nomination. To illustrate, Trump may have 30% of this very, very small group, but, he has, .00000000000, ?%, of the total electorate.

    The General, of course, is a completely different animal. The reasonably sane, experienced & knowledgeable, Republican Party Leadership, naturally, know all that. And, to a man, are predicting a wipeout the likes of which most of us have never witnessed (or, imagined). What they've stated, in a calm, reasonable, analytical manner, is a Party meltdown affecting not only the obvious characters (Presidency, House & Senate) but, offices down to the municipal level, nationwide. If the office holder has an "R" next to his/her name, he's in big trouble.

    With that landscape in mind, if I were advising the Democratic Party, I'd tell them to be diligent like they've never been before. The R's, knowing they're going down (that's not even a question any more) will do things ( to Hillary) to try and salvage whatever they can, that, even for them, will be beyond the pale.

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    What he said (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:36:31 PM EST
    Yeah (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:42:51 PM EST
    that last paragraph is scary but true.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:53:35 PM EST
    One thing we can count on is Donald will take it to places no man has gone before .

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    And (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:55:44 PM EST
    I imagine that some in the establishment will come to see that as the silver lining to his candidacy.  

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    Have you seen (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 07:25:56 PM EST
    his ads? There is one bashing Hillary and one bashing Obama. They look like something a middle schooler would have done but I have to say I think the GOP base will eat up those ads. They were full of conspiracy theories.

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    They must be web ads (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:38:36 PM EST
    He has not spent a penny on TV.

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    The see (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 04:41:22 PM EST
    The writing on the wall.   They want to back the winner.

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    Did you see any of the comments (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:04:05 PM EST
    of the regulars over there after Colorado Springs?

    It's a very instructive cartoon pointing to the existence of the evolutionary missing links those folks claim not to believe in..

    Referring to PP as "Planned Genocide" and talking about the "sluts" that go there..drawing parallels between Robert Dear and John Brown..

    Trump is drawing them all out of their dens and out from under their rocks.

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    Trump? (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:06:49 PM EST
    Cruz, Carson, Rubio and Trump are all riding the same turnip truck.

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    Trump is the most rotten meat (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:09:08 PM EST
    who attracts the most flies.

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    I would say Donald (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:10:07 PM EST
    Is driving the truck.  Cruz is winning the Cruz/Marco race and Carson is officially a footnote.

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    I don't see Cruz and Rubio attracting (none / 0) (#33)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:20:29 PM EST
    the same voter. Trump beats Carson; Rubio beats Bush; Cruz has a niche all his own. That will likely (eventually) leave us with a 3-way.

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    CG, are you seeing (none / 0) (#34)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:22:43 PM EST
    a brokered Republican Convention?  Because that could prove interesting.

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    Doubt it (none / 0) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:32:26 PM EST
    More than two will have to prove they can win multiple states first. I'll get back to you on that in mid-March.

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    Didn't mean to say (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:55:17 PM EST
    Marco and Ted share voter appeal but they have definitely been in a race for second.  Cruz is picking up Carsons voters and Marco the rest.   Right now Ted is winning.   I think he will continue to.   And I'm not so sure about the convention.

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    The relatively sane (and shrinking) wing (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:30:55 PM EST
    of the gop still refuses to believe Trump could be the nominee..

    David Brooks can't seem to make hide or hair of what's going on..

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    Trump has made it worse, (none / 0) (#32)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:19:41 PM EST
    but I think that a lot of the snakes have felt more comfortable slithering out from under their rocks for a number of years now.
    They have always been with us, and they always believed the same, but they seem to have become more and more emboldened to express their feelings out loud, whereas in the past, most of them seemed to have kept their feelings quiet.
    Is it the anonymity and ubiquitousness of the Internet?  The fact that a very visible presidential candidate is publicly stating their own views?
    Or what?  I have had the thought that overt expressions of racism, at least somewhat hidden (not totally) in the past, have gotten worse, for instance, since we elected a black president.  That seemed to have made a lot of racist heads explode to the point that they felt free to unleash their mouths.


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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:35:22 PM EST
    If by making it worse you mean Trump has dragged the smelly corpse of Nixons Southern Stragegy out into the town square and dressed it up in a new $10,000 suit, I agree.

    I don't really think he has made it worse.  He has given voice to something thats been there.  The twisted genius of Trump is that he is just saying out loud what the frightened old white base has always believed and they can't get enough.   While at the same time giving a whole lot of disgruntled disenfranchised malcontents a screen on which to project their unfocused rage.

    I think it does have clear links to the first black president as well.   After all, Donald started gaining news coverage, in recent years, with the birther nonsense.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:45:54 PM EST
    I don't think he's made it worse. He's just eliminated the dog whistles and says what the rest of the GOP says loud and proud. Frankly I'm kind of glad. I'm sick of them getting away with playing the kind of game they've been playing.

    And yes, I can see where it is upsetting and scary to people however the GOP is never going to be disinfected unless there is sunlight exposing what they have been doing for decades.  

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    Yes, and (5.00 / 3) (#120)
    by KeysDan on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 04:13:00 PM EST
    that corpse, Lazarus-like, has been transmogrified into "political correctness."  No line gets more applause in a Trump rally, it seems, than any attack on political correctness--which means reclaimedlicense to say openly and loudly what has been spoken within the confines of private spaces or sotto voice elsewhere.

     Trump legitimizes the crass regression of sensitivity and sensibility associated with social progress.  The Republican supporters like the way he thinks and the way he says what he thinks.  

    The resentments over not being able to say the N word, the old way of referencing minorities and women, and considering gays--and not just same sex marriage, are permitted to be brought into the open.

     Offensive baseball team names can be readily defended. They like that.  Indeed, anything that brings back the good old days-- for some.  Trump is not the first politician to glom onto a slogan like make American great AGAIN. Makes me think of another demagogue's pledge to make his country great again: Denn du bist Deutschland.

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    Its interesting in a way (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 05:49:13 PM EST
    That he has stayed away from gay baiting.   Because he has limits or because the issue is nowhere near the wedge issue it once was?


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    "As democracy is perfected... (none / 0) (#130)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 06:52:13 PM EST
    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    ― H.L. Mencken

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    Really?? (none / 0) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:59:24 PM EST
    Nixons Southern Stragegy

    You've never noticed that Dr Carson is a black man??

    lol

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    Basically the Southern Strategy was an appeal (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:28:28 AM EST
    to conservative reactionaries, and Carson is nothing if not a conservative reactionary.

    So what's the problem? Ignorance comes in all colors.

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    Besides (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 07:29:53 AM EST
    Carson will not be the nominee.  He never was and he certainly was never part of Donalds plan.   Donald is strongest in the south.   He might not win some of the states in the general but he is going to dominate in the primary.

    This is why people are saying if Donald wins early primaries and heads south with mo it's all but over.

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    Jim's (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 08:45:57 AM EST
    statement shows what Carson really is: cover. Hey, we can't be racist because we have this black guy running. This year it's Carson. Last time it was Herman Cain and before that it was Alan Keyes. Of course, none of them will ever get the nomination and when Carson started rising to the top the GOP elite started a campaign to take him down. Notice nobody was upset about Trump's take down of Carson like they were when he did it to Jeb and others.

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    et al (none / 0) (#95)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 09:27:55 AM EST
    Carson is a black man who left the Ledftie reservation.

    That's why you hate him. He rejects your politics.

    The "Southern Strategy" you caterwaul about happened
    in 1968. That's almost 48 years ago. That's two generations.

    Think maybe the south, and the country, has changed?????

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    LOL (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 09:51:50 AM EST
    He was never on the "leftie reservation" and only a conservative wacko would say the things you are saying. You just can't take responsibility for all the things the GOP has done to actually drive African American voters away from the GOP from Nixon's Southern Strategy, Reagan's disdain of civil rights and all the way to George W. Bush bowing down before the confederate flag. Why would I hate Carson for being a Republican? Actually I could care less what party he belongs to but apparently exposing the truth about the GOP has got you tied up in knots.

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    Perhaps I should have said (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 12:42:01 PM EST
    Carson rejected your politics.

    That way you couldn't parse and duck and hide.

    And you ignore my point that the "strategy" was two generations ago.

    It is the inability of the Left to change that has insured its marginalization.

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    Other things Carson rejected (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:13:26 PM EST
    are:

    truth
    ethics
    logical thought
    ancient history
    current history
    current events
    knowledge of foreign events

    I am happy to say that Carson is a true and faithful representation of the Republican Party.

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    My point about conservatives (none / 0) (#110)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    and secular knowledge.

    Exhibit A: Ben Carson.

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    No argument there (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:31:20 PM EST
    Personally, I would be ashamed to belong to a political party where Trump and Carson represent their highest standards.

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    You used to deny there was ever a (none / 0) (#107)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    Southern Strategy..

    It's encouraging to see you're capable of learning.

    Be careful though, conservatives always say secular knowledge is a dangerous slippery slope.

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    Why do you always compare blacks (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:19:03 PM EST
    to reservation indians?

    Is that your way of saying they're all dependent on the government?

    How Wallace-Republican, how Tea Party of you..

    As the folk the Strategy appealed to rears his ugly head again..

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    Those wigs look better (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 08:57:00 AM EST
    than what Trump has on his head.

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    If you scroll down (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 09:11:05 AM EST
    There's a mask that cracks me up.  It has the white spots around the eyes from the tanning booth eye protectors.

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    C'mon, Capt, none of those wigs (none / 0) (#75)
    by vml68 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:08:00 PM EST
    do justice to the "masterpiece" on Trump's head.

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    Still (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 07:31:16 AM EST
    How perfect would it be for them all to march on the stage at the next debate sporting one?

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    Yet, the "sensible" (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by KeysDan on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 03:04:54 PM EST
    Conservative NYT's David Brooks still predicts that Republicans will come to their senses and elect a non-Trump Trump.  Lot's to quarrel about here: the polls, the rest of his real competition is cheap knock-offs, and the faulty premise that there are any Republicans that have any sense. Besides, Trump has a better comb-over than Rubio and can state his fascist ideas in a sweeter manner than Cruz. No matter, too, since Republicans are very likely to wind up voting for Trump--enthusiastically.  

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    In "things we don't need" for 500 (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:46:32 PM EST
    "Police charged a Lawrence man with planting a hoax device Friday after he left a suitcase by a police cruiser outside the US Coast Guard office in Boston, creating a public safety scare.

    Authorities detonated the suitcase as a precaution, but determined it did not contain explosives."

    "Evans said suspicions were heightened after surveillance video showed a man deliberately placing the suitcase near the Coast Guard office building on Atlantic Avenue in Boston and then "scurrying" away."

    Link

    Cops all over the d@mn place this afternoon.

    who was heroic, if anyone? (none / 0) (#4)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:46:52 PM EST
    At times I read books and/or watch movies and/or tv series about such things as WWII or the civil rights protests or dozens of other things from history, especially history that changed or has contributed significantly to our modern society.

    As a skeptical and at times doubting Christian or whatever I am, I have also heroes among those persons in some of these times . . . or at least persons that I might admire and thank and congratulate on their conduct and/or actions and/or faith and/or wisdom.

    So, speaking of some persons in Germany or Europe in WWII times, which of the following persons or groups would you have admired and considered a hero or wise, including of course, if you wish, given what we know now?

    Sophie Scholl, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Schindler, Chiune Sugihara, von Stauffenberg, Rommel, Franz Hasel, Maria Ziefle, members of the French resistance?  

    Are there any of them whose lives you regard as commendable and praiseworthy enough that you might have imitated them or you hope you would . . .?

     If we had been alive in the Germany or Europe at the time, would any of us had chosen to be one of them or like some of them?

    Or, would it have been best--at least usually--to have been someone who did not very much in the way of outward and known opposition, so as to live and prosper after the war . . . like the giant middle of the Germans, some of them did not even know of the Jews being gassed?

    Same questions for those of the 1955 or so to 1968 or so, civil rights era . . .

    Rosa Parks, civil rights protestors in general, MLK, the freedom riders who were AA, the freedom riders who were white, white American clergy who were shot and killed for their part in the protests, blacks who had weapons and stood in defense of protestors being hosed by police, Joan Trumpauer Mullholland?

    Are any of them or all them praiseworthy, commendable and worthy of imitation?  If we had been alive in the US at the time, would any of us had chosen to be one of them or like some of them?

    Or, is it best to live and not make waves and to fit in comfortably outwardly with society?  I am not saying either choice is particularly bad or good, other than being Nazi or KKK or a murderer is bad.

    Are there some of these people or groups to whom we owe a debt of gratitude?  In your view, which ones and which ones not?

    are these questions (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 03:49:02 PM EST
    going to be on the final?

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    If were God . . . (none / 0) (#124)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 05:42:39 PM EST
    Of course, if I were God, I might have an answer for you . . .

    Alas . . .

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    "they hate us for our freedoms . . . " (none / 0) (#43)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:03:47 PM EST
    Our surveillance state (none / 0) (#83)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 01:58:08 AM EST
    isn't working worth a damn.

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    This case may be the perfect example of that (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by ruffian on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 10:34:38 AM EST
    People can fly below the radar pretty easily - the best chance we have of limiting damage done by people like this is to limit the amount of firepower they are able to amass. But apparently that is against some sacred right of man.

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    They smashed their phones (none / 0) (#45)
    by Redbrow on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:16:13 PM EST
    Which is pretty strong evidence they were not working alone or were "self radicalized".

    They are obviously trying to protect links to  their co-conspirators by destroying phones and hard drives.

    "self-radicalized" (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:43:44 PM EST
    wtf does that even mean?

    everyone knows, or should, that ISIS has encouraged "lone wolves" to do exactly the type of thing that these two did on Wednesday

    "self-radicalized" is the new "workplace violence," & both phrases are intended to obscure the painfully obvious fact that we have suffered another instance of Islamist jihadi terrorism on US soil

    & i do mean "painfully obvious" - the FBI and police, for good reasons, have to pretend, at least for a time, not to reocgnize what is staring them right in the face, but ordinary people are not required to follow suit, & very large numbers are choosing not to, "narrative" be damned

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    Given the FBI's penchant for (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:25:13 PM EST
    creating terror stings by suckering the hapless, you'll perhaps pardon me for not having the utmost confidence in whatever role they are going to play in this situation.

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    I still have (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ragebot on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 07:36:34 PM EST
    my first cell phone, one of those old flip models.  Matter of fact I have all my old cell phones.  Not sure what kind they smashed but do know you can sell them online and pick up a few bucks.

    One thing I keep hearing is the guy was making $US40K or so yet had money to travel to the Middle East, support a new wife, new baby, buy guns, ammo, tools and stuff for pipe bombs, and rent an SUV to drive around shooting stuff up.  Not to mention smash their cell phones.

    Point is there seems to be some type of forensic accounting investigation going on to determine if he was making enough money on his own to do all of this.  I have seen some reports, not sure how reliable, that the woman's father was a postal worker in Pakistan but now is "living comfortably" in Saudi Arabia.  Not sure what "living comfortably" means but knowing more about the shooters financials will clear things up one way or the other.

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    You need to change where you get your news (none / 0) (#62)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 08:14:48 PM EST
    One thing I keep hearing is the guy was making $US40K


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    Open to better source (none / 0) (#63)
    by ragebot on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 08:35:40 PM EST
    but not sure where to look.

    Do you have a link?

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    in 2014 (none / 0) (#65)
    by ding7777 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 08:45:54 PM EST
     he made $53,437.51 plus benefits

    link

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    Thanks for the link (none / 0) (#67)
    by ragebot on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 08:53:26 PM EST
    Easy to see there the $US40K came from.  Still have to point out $US53K in a high cost of living state like CA with a wife and child does not leave much spare change to spend on on the toys he had in his rented condo.  

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    The house would have ran (none / 0) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 11:05:51 PM EST
    $1500 or more...

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    There (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 06:37:28 PM EST
    is still a lot of evidence that can be garnered from a smashed phone by obtaining phone records.

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    Just fount this at Breitbart (none / 0) (#66)
    by ragebot on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 08:46:28 PM EST
    Interesting take on how Trump is changing how campaigns are run.

    Key blurb:

    "    How did Claudius become emperor of Rome? After the assassination of Caligula, the Praetorian Guard anointed Claudius emperor. "Why," asked Claudius? "Because," said the head of the Guard," without an emperor, there is no need for the Praetorian Guard.

        Without traditional candidates like Clinton, Bush, Kasich, Huckabee, Christie, Santorum, Pataki and others, there is no need for the Political Establishment's Praetorian Guard. Trump threatens to undermine the political establishment order of things."

    So much BS packed into that (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:21:22 PM EST
    The first thing that pops for me is, who did Claudius follow?   Anyone?
    Caligula.  That would be Obama of course.

    Yeah, Trump is changing the way campaigns are run.  That's true enough.  Example-onthe day of the San Bernadino attacks Trump did a half hour interview with Alex Jones.   Jones says that the Sandyhook massacre of first graders never happened.   That it was faked by people who want to take your guns.  
    The new lawyer for the SB shooters family says the same thing.   He also suggested today that the killing of the 14 people in SB might really never have happened.   JUST LIKE SANDYHOOK he said in a news conference.   Just like Donalds buddy Alex Jones says.

    Yep, Donsld is changing the way campaigns are run.

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    From INFOWARS (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:37:08 PM EST
    Donsld to Jones - we will be speaking a lot

    LINK

    That's a nut case site.   I just included the link in case someone didn't believe the front runner for the nomination of a major party would appear with and praise an absolute certified lunatic.

    The appearance sent shockwaves even through right wing circles

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    Makes (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 06:52:04 AM EST
    me wonder if Donald actually isn't a mole to blow up the GOP. I mean seriously the guy is not stupid.

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    No sh!t (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 07:57:28 AM EST
    I've tried hard to imagine what Bill Clinton could have offered him in that meeting they had before he announced.

    But seriously, IMO that would seem more possible if he was not the god father of birtherism.    

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    Here's a podcast (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 08:11:49 AM EST
    of  the Maddow show last night

    Where she lays all this out.  The relevant part starts about 8-9 minutes in.  

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 08:14:02 AM EST
    A bit later 11-12 minutes

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    Well, (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 09:14:50 PM EST
    he's definitely ripping the GOP apart for sure. Apparently their polling is showing that Trump is going not only take away their chance at the White House but he takes away the senate and the house even doing so much damage as for the GOP to start losing control in state houses.

    Right now he's screeching You're Fired to Obama at rally in NC. ROTFLMAO.

    I have to give it to him though. He's the master of the game when it comes to fleecing the rubes.

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    God I hope that's correct (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 08:45:15 AM EST
    They did it to themselves though. Fox News, Karl Rove, the billionaires, they have all fully participated in creating a base that can longer deductively reason. And now those in the smoked filled rooms can't appeal to them in any logical way.

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    Just daydreaming........... (none / 0) (#76)
    by NYShooter on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:40:23 PM EST
    If a political apocalypse actually occurs in the Republican Party, certain temporary opportunities might open up that, if acted upon quickly & smartly, could greatly improve our country in a very fundamental way.

    Now, stay with me here.

    First, and, pretty obviously, we could get the Primary dates and schedules changed. What if, just as an example, the first "R" Primaries were held in, let's say, Oregon, and, Massachusetts, instead of today's Iowa & New Hampshire? Would The Donald win Massachusetts?

    Second, another cancer on our system is the criminally corrupt practice of redistricting. That alone has polluted politics for too long now, and, has been a major contributor to the dysfunction of our government.

    O.K. Two easy ones to start. Not bad so far, eh?

    Third, how far can we take this thing if we really do wrest control from the "R's" even for a little while? I know what I'd do. I'd say, "let's tackle the Constitution." Probably won't have a better chance than right after a blowout. In other words, let's do what Obama had an opportunity to do when we first sent him to the White House. "Big Mo" don't come around all that often. So, here's another pet peeve of mine. How nuts is it that California, with over 38 million people has the same representation in the Senate as Wyoming, with its, barely half million?

    We're on a roll!

    The Constitution has more need of fixen. If we're going to ask people in all 50 States to vote on these amendments let's give'm a list of them. You know the 2'nd. is in need of an "attitudinal" adjustment, too, I think. I'll stop at here at, 2. (I figure I'm smarter than, at least 2 posters here) 3? I'm stretching it. You all have a whole bunch more, I'm sure.

    Next (for now) This one will require the Democrats doing the right thing.

    I know! I know! I said it's a "daydream."

    You ready? Hillary will have to step aside, and we all get behind Bernie. Think about it, Hillary was fine, mainly because of the unthinkable alternative over "there." But, income/wealth inequality, Education system sucks, upward mobility, gone, social programs heading towards extinction, and so on. Who you gonna call? "Ball Buster!" that's who. Yeah, Bernie. We can find something else really good for Hil.

    Daydreaming's fun, and, even funner when you think how it's not completely crazy, it is possible.

    Obama sold us a fraud, Trump's selling the end times. Don't tell me there's no one out there who couldn't sell something as simple, and, beautiful like.......peace & prosperity.

    That's it, pooch is calling me.
    ........later.

    Karl Rove is a hoot this morning (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 08:22:50 AM EST
    He's on the tube discussing how this GOP bid for the Presidency mimics President McKinley's run. President who? Oh yeah, that poor guy who had his mountain stolen by the Muslim Kenyan Usurper :) That guy just never quits, even when the whole Republican base now has the brains of a turd blossom and can't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag.

    Karl Rove (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 08:47:27 AM EST
    thinks he can just say something and create a media narrative like he did for George W. Bush in 2000. He completely discredited himself on Fox News in 2012 and I'm not sure why anybody has him on TV offering any opinions. He should go the way of Dick Morris.

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    He's a Republican (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 08:56:38 AM EST
    He will have a place in the media forever. The Republican base doesn't care if someone has been discredited. They only care that he wears a red tie :)

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    Just heard Obama, (none / 0) (#97)
    by lentinel on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 10:08:08 AM EST
    speaking presumably from his bunker, telling us that, "we will not be terrized".

    Yeah. Right.

    Everything's cool.

    Terrized?

    Moi?

    Of course you're not terrorized. (1.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 06:13:07 PM EST
    lentinel: "Terrized? Moi?"

    You were likely preaching doom and gloom long before anyone had ever heard of al Qa'eda.

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    Fear itself? (none / 0) (#105)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 12:13:41 PM EST
    presumably from his bunker

    ...because implying cowardice is better than pointing out that the president of the United States has a lot of enemies screaming for his blood, most of them born in this country.  Check the Internet if you don't believe me.  If you will recall, even lovable ol' Ronald Reagan was shot.  That's the guy who carried something like 58 states in the Electoral College, obviously the most beloved political figure of my lifetime.  And HE got shot.

    More important than the suggestion of presidential cowardice is the implication that cowardice is an admirable trait.  We SHOULD be afraid!  The president has a "bunker," but WE don't!  This is exactly the line that the GOP has pushed since Nixon suggested that the commies and Blacks were coming for our country.

    A political philosophy that calls for fear in the general populace is the first step on the road to Godwin's Law.

    You want terrorism to "work," for people to be "terrorized," and subsequently surrender freedom in exchange for vague "protection."  I prefer to take my chances with freedom, and accept the dangers of terrorism, which are about 1000th the dangers I face every day from armed citizens, incompetent police officers, or drunk drivers.

    Despite the existence of terrorism, being a citizen of the United States in the 2000s is no more dangerous than my Army service in the '60s.  I accepted that risk out of patriotism.  It seems you could accept a smaller risk in the name of, if not patriotism, at least in the name of freedom.  

    Paraphrasing Clarence Darrow, we know that the GOP is about cowardice, we just don't know how much cowardice they want.

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    I don't care (none / 0) (#114)
    by lentinel on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 02:47:37 PM EST
    who pushes this "line", as you call it...

    But it is obvious to me that Obama lives in a far more secure environment than the rest of us.

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    Secure in some ways.. (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 03:09:02 PM EST
    and much more of a target in other ways..

    Obama is more a target than us the way the WTC was more of a target than the public library in Toledo was..

    Not to put too fine a point on it..

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    He has (none / 0) (#117)
    by lentinel on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 03:55:09 PM EST
    a fortress around him.

    We walk along the street and hope for the best.

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    You really are sort of baffleing (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 03:58:56 PM EST
    Yeah
    He has a fortress around him.   Because he is the biggest target on earth.   So is his family   He can't take a walk or a ride or go shopping or go to a restaurant or do pretty much anything normal people do.  

    Jesus.  Your blind hatred burns.

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    Hatred? (none / 0) (#119)
    by lentinel on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 04:05:00 PM EST
    Are you nuts?

    I simply do not attempt - am incapable of underestimating the danger in which we have been placed.

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    And obviously (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 04:13:44 PM EST
    You think Obama placed us there?

    He didn't.  He's just a guy.  One who admittedly may be in over his head.   Actually IMO anyone who, in his position, did not consider themselves in over their head would probably be Donald Trump.

    I believe the man has done the best he could do.  We, you and i, don't have the first clue what threats of impending horror and death come across his desk every single day.  I think he is a good man.   An honest man.   A humane man.  IMO we could do a helluva lot worse.

    I think you might try cutting him some slack.  On occasion.

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    Why in the (none / 0) (#133)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 05:21:03 AM EST
    world you want to turn this into a personal confrontation is a mystery to me.

    I believe, as some others do, that our policies - beginning with Bush the first, with his glorious "liberation of Kuwait", continuing through Clinton's reign, accelerated during the W era and preserved and rising to an even higher level with the continuing hints of a confrontation with Russia...

    The individuals either proposing or, as you charitably put it, allow these policies to transpire because they are "over their head", are worthy of hatred. Anyone feeling that way has my understanding.

    But I do not feel that way, and it is a red-herring that has been floated since day one by supporters of Mr. Obama. To criticize him provokes the response that the person criticizing him is a "hater" - or "h8ter"...

    This little diversion serves the purpose of changing the course of discussion from the issue - about the extent to which our "foreign policy" is destructive, agenda-driven, and threatening to our lives and welfare.

    Hense - we get the administration, the beloved, saying that "we" will not be terrized, and at the same time telling us not to travel, look around us, don't go into crowds... etc.

    If you want to have a conversation, avoid personal invective would be my suggestion.


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    You ask... (none / 0) (#140)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 01:09:13 PM EST
    You think Obama placed us there?

    In the case of Syria, yes.

    In the case of Iraq, he got us sort-of out, and then put us back. So, yes again.

    Afghanistan, he announced a date for our withdrawal, and then went back on it and kept us there. So, again, yes.

    Being involved in the overthrow of Gaddafi‎.. with the resulting destabilization in Libya and then Syria... Yes.

    Your description of Obama as "just a guy... admittedly over his head... doing the best he could do... a good man, an honest man.. "..  sounds like you're talking about Gerald Ford.

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    What are you more afraid of? (none / 0) (#123)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 05:37:52 PM EST
    [I am] incapable of underestimating the danger in which we have been placed.

    No, you went the opposite direction, you OVERESTIMATE the danger you are in from foreign born terrorists.

    Easy access to guns has killed more than 100 times as many Americans since 9/11 as the terrorists did on that day.  Domestic terrorists, i.e. native born Americans with a grudge, have killed more Americans since 9/11 than any other kind of terrorist has.

    Armed Americans, incompetent police officers and drunk drivers combine to present thousands of times more danger to you than terrorists.

    If terrorists frighten you, how much more are you in fear of your life from ACTUAL dangers?

    Have you ever considered COURAGE as a personal attribute?  Try it, it frees your mind from the quivering, abject fear of living that overwhelms your thinking.

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    Fine. (none / 0) (#132)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 05:07:35 AM EST
    Courage.

    Good advice!

    But watch yourself.
    Be careful where you travel.
    Don't go into crowds.

    Think of the bright side - that bit about more people being killed by cars and drunks.

    Have a nice day.

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    Cowardice, It's What's For Dinner (none / 0) (#138)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 11:57:15 AM EST
    Courage.

    Good advice!

    But watch yourself.
    Be careful where you travel.
    Don't go into crowds.

    You personal fear of living does not prevent me from doing so.  I REFUSE to let the insignificant threat of terror modify my behavior.  It's bad enough that the government responds to terror by spending billions of dollars on the completely corrupt and incompetent airport screeners.

    Think of the bright side - that bit about more people being killed by cars and drunks.

    I don't consider that a "bright side," just reality.  Knowing those numbers does not keep me from leaving the house, but those numbers put into perspective the relative dangers I face from various sources.  Do you modify your own behavior to deal with the much more significant dangers from your fellow citizens than those created by terrorists?  If not, then why bother quivering in fear from terrorists?  If terrorists want us to be fearful, why would anyone give the terrorists what they want?

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    OK... (none / 0) (#139)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 12:14:14 PM EST
    Let's not be terrorized.

    But, since Obama called what has been happening a "terrorist threat", is it ok with you if we feel threatened?

    Would that be alright?

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    Courage? (none / 0) (#137)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 11:45:53 AM EST
    In the face of what exactly?

    The stupidity of our government continuing to pursue actions which put us needlessly in danger?

    I'm not in favor of being afraid.
    It immobilizes you.

    But to not have a sense of apprehension, when we know that at any moment we might pass a garbage can that could detonate... well, that is just being stupid.

    I did not appreciate it when GWBush told us that we should be angry. And I do not appreciate it when Obama tells me that I should not experience being terrorized.

    And, of course, it plays into the hands of the people who have guided our misguided foreign policy through decades and successive administrations - and tells us to keep voting for people who represent the continuation of those policies.

    Trust the people who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and incompetent.

    Not the best advice imo.

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    Desperation? (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 10:12:22 AM EST
    LINK

    The Center for Medical Progress, in what seems like an act of desperation, is begging the Supreme Court to overrule the Ninth Circuit Court and grant an emergency stay of discovery to prevent the National Abortion Federation from learning the names of their co-conspirators.

    Here's their filing:



    GOP politicians? (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 10:41:19 AM EST
    The Kochs? Makes you wonder. I'm quite sure this organization is a sham cover for someone or something.

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    I guess we may find out. (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 11:09:54 AM EST
    Medical Progress.. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 04:29:55 PM EST
    Dontcha love it?

    They can't even effin' name an organization without being disingenuous and dishonest.

    I bet they're fair and balanced too.

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    The update in link (none / 0) (#101)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 10:54:04 AM EST
    said the request was denied.

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    From your link (none / 0) (#102)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 10:55:50 AM EST
    Justice Kennedy has denied anti-abortion videomakers application for emergency stay to block handover of info on backers #SCOTUS


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    Yes (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 11:08:17 AM EST
    Should have included that.  

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    Very interesting.. (none / 0) (#131)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 09:06:32 PM EST
    To me.

    The lawyer filing the appeal is James Bopp, the lead lawyer in Citizen's United..

    Hopefully that weasel's winning streak has come to an end.

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    Heller (none / 0) (#128)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Dec 05, 2015 at 06:02:14 PM EST
    The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two
    parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather announces a purpose. The Amendment could be rephrased, "Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
    and bear Arms shall not be infringed." See J. Tiffany, A Treatise on Government and Constitutional Law §585, p. 394 (1867); Brief for Professors of Linguistics and English
    as Amici Curiae 3 (hereinafter Linguists' Brief).
    Although this structure of the Second Amendment is
    unique in our Constitution, other legal documents of the founding era, particularly individual-rights provisions of state constitutions, commonly included a prefatory statement of purpose. See generally Volokh, The Commonplace
    Second Amendment, 73 N. Y. U. L. Rev. 793, 814-821

    Logic demands that there be a link between the stated purpose and the command. The Second Amendment would be nonsensical if it read, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to petition for redress of grievances shall not be
    infringed."  . .

    But apart from that clarifying function, a prefatory clause does not limit or
    expand the scope of the operative clause.

    *

    Here is the apparent problem or the apparent area of dispute . . .

    But apart from that clarifying function, a prefatory clause does or does not limit or
    expand the scope of the operative clause.

    hum (none / 0) (#168)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 08:40:22 PM EST
    a bunch of you have been proclaiming that the scotus was wrong in the Heller decision, but when I quote it and ask if you agree or disagree, you are all silent .  . .

    Oh, well . . .

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    Leftovers! Leftovers! (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 06:13:45 PM EST
    say it with me...

    Leftovers!  Leftovers!!

    There has been no announced season 3.   They are calling the season finale not the series finale.   That's good.   There has been a social media campaign to convince HBO to renew it.
    Twitter and others.  Here's hoping.

    THAT WAS AMAZNG!! (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 09:23:55 PM EST
    I'm gonna watch it again

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    Btw (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 09:28:03 PM EST
    We now know the place he was going was definitely hell and not heaven.
    Any place where you are forced to do karaoke is definitely hell.

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    Homeward Bound... (none / 0) (#147)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 11:57:09 AM EST
    I wish I was.  

    Great finale, Great Season...Encore HBO!  Encore!!!

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    That was sooooo painful (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 01:10:14 PM EST
    Not just because it was heartbreakingly well done but it was just painful to listen to which made it even more moving.   It was completely brilliant.

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    It was so achingly beautiful (none / 0) (#162)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 06:02:18 PM EST
    so well done by Theroux. Kudos.

    Music played such a large part int he series I was glad to see it comedown to that in the end.

    I loved the finale..not at all what I expected, and not sure what to make of it, but it hit all my emotional buttons. You would not think that would be so hard, but compare it to shows like 'Homeland' that annoy me rather than move me even when my favorite character is suffering from a serin gas attack - it is indeed rare to execute a thing well.

    the vision of the hellscape that the town became. Ugh - yes, maybe he did go to hell, but all his favorite people were there.

    I hope there is a season 3. I want to see how that Kevin-Nora-Laurie thing plays out.

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    After EMMY nominations (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 06:06:59 PM EST
    They might reconsider.   If not before.

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    I hope before...or the only thing they will (none / 0) (#165)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 06:58:50 PM EST
    be considering is how to steal 'Fargo'!

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    KeysDan (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 at 07:08:16 PM EST
    You were the one who recommended The Drop?  
    It was excellent.  Not usually a huge fan of the genre but that was great.  Tom Hardy was amazing.

    Makes me look forward even more to Legend in which he plays both Kray brothers.

    Holly came from Miama F-L-A (none / 0) (#148)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 12:41:13 PM EST
    Hitchhiked her way across the U-S-A,
    Plucked her eyebrows on the way,
    Shaved her legs, and then he was a she,
    She said, 'hey babe, take a walk on the wild side',
    She said, 'hey sugar, take a walk on the wild side'...

    Holly Woodlawn, the actress, transgender icon, and inspiration for Lou Reed's "Walk On The Wild Side" has died. She was 69 years old.


    Never (none / 0) (#159)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 04:45:30 PM EST
    Knew that.  Big Lou Reed fan,

    Rock N Roll Animal live album, off the hook

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    From Tennessee, more priceless wingnuttery: (none / 0) (#150)
    by shoephone on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 01:22:14 PM EST
    This pastor says women must submit to men in all things...that the "feminist rebellion" is responsible for many of the country's problems.

    "There is a divine hierarchy in marriage," Ray explained, reading from the book of Ephesians. "Wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church."

    And then he added a message from the book of Timothy: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

    Got that ladies? Sit down and shut up, or the mens is gonna feel intimidated and Gawd is gonna smite us all.

    According to Ray, the push for transgender rights in Houston was a symptom of women failing to submit to men

    Heh.

    Ray argued that "the word of God does not teach patriarchalism per se," but he said that it also did not "teach egalitarianism" and "mutual submission" between men and women.

    "There is, whether you like it or not, a divine hierarchy in marriage," he added. "Wives must submit to their husbands, that will bring harmony."

    Dang. That Christianism kinda sounds like religiosity in Saudi Arabia, eh?

    WooHoo (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 01:41:59 PM EST
    That kind of thing.. (none / 0) (#152)
    by jondee on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 01:53:58 PM EST
    always reminds me of an old SNL skit in which Bill Murray plays an entrepreneur marketing a line of post-apocalypse cosmetics for people with mutations from the fallout..

    One man's crisis is another man's investment opportunity..

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    There is Another Skit... (none / 0) (#153)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 03:45:00 PM EST
    ...where Aykroyd is selling kids, like a big bag of broken glass and a teddy bear with a built-in chainsaw.  It reminds me of the gun debate, what one person finds dangerous another thinks is good for their kids to have.

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    Well... (none / 0) (#154)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 03:51:02 PM EST
    ...I am positive that the shooting in CA is what was responsible for gun and ammo sales going through the roof long before the speech.

    But it's so nice of them to put it on Obama rather than the paranoid idiots.

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    I'm afraid lowbrow is right (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 03:57:54 PM EST
    Every time the guy goes on TV gun sales spike.   He probably is responsible for more gun sales than anyone.  If one can be said to be responsible for someone elses idiocy.

    He a comin at take yer guuns!!!!!!

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    Bu My Point Was... (none / 0) (#158)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 04:44:22 PM EST
    ...they sold out before the speech, so unless they have a TARDIS, it's not true.  He speaks when there is a shooting and guns go off the shelves, but is it the shooting of the speech, in this case it was the shooting.  Last week sale skyrocketed.

    Maybe the stock prices, but considering the market has been closed since Friday...

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    True (none / 0) (#160)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 04:47:08 PM EST
    He has been the gun salesman of the year for the past 7 years

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    How deep is the irony? How high is the sky? (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 04:05:09 PM EST
    EXXON-MOBIL says climate change is real and dangerous

    With no government action, Exxon experts told us during a visit to The Post last week, average temperatures are likely to rise by a catastrophic (my word, not theirs) 5 degrees Celsius, with rises of 6, 7 or even more quite possible.



    Netflix folks and Bill Murray fans (none / 0) (#164)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 06:57:40 PM EST
    A Very Murray Christmas is weird and wonderful. I was feeling not quite in the spirit the other night. The lineup of guests did not do anything for me on paper, but my Murray love overruled all so I checked it out, and it really hit the spot.

     Need to watch it gain with a martini. This special is unabashed about drinking your holiday blues away.  

    Was reading about this (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 07:12:41 PM EST
    Sounds delightfully twisted.  Nobody does twisted better than Bill.

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